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03 Aug 2011, 20:50
Hi Brian,

I have selected couple colleges on the basis of programs.
Do you think I can get in to Boston or Georgetown ?
and I have studied few management subjects in my degree program such as
Group and Cooperative Processes
Human Resource Management
project management
Managerial Economics
Entrepreneurship
Financial management

Do you think if I highlight these it would help any better ?

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04 Aug 2011, 06:06
Thank you so much Brian for the detailed feedback. It was really helpful to know the points on which I can improve.

What do you think of my chances at Fuqua, Haas, Columbia, Sloan, Yale, LBS, Judge and Said?

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04 Aug 2011, 08:34
Hi Gil and Brian,

Thanks for these evaluations, reading through your analysis is very helpful. If you could provide me with some feedback, I would greatly appreciate it. I will try and keep my profile brief.

Profile : Male - American (Asian Decent)

Education : University of Illinois - Urbana Chamapaign. Bachelor of Science in Accountancy. 3.5GPA, Dean's list for some semesters. Licensed CPA.

GMAT: 700 (Q44 V 41)

Work Experience : 2 years in Big 4 audit, high performer, then transferred and have completed 2 years in the Transaction Services group specializing in Valuations.

EC : I have been an assistant coach for a little league baseball team for the past year. Additionally, I volunteer for the first tee organization to teach golf to underprivileged youth. I have a few students assigned to me who I coach and follow as they participate in tournaments etc. I also volunteer in Junior Achievement days of teaching where I teach underprivileged students a handful of times throughout the year.

Target Schools : Kellogg, Booth, Wharton, Harvard, Yale, Columbia

If you could provide me any feedback, that would be great. Thanks!

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04 Aug 2011, 20:07
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Hi Brian,

I have selected couple colleges on the basis of programs.
Do you think I can get in to Boston or Georgetown ?
and I have studied few management subjects in my degree program such as
Group and Cooperative Processes
Human Resource Management
project management
Managerial Economics
Entrepreneurship
Financial management

Do you think if I highlight these it would help any better ?

Regards

medha13,

Thank you for the follow-up questions - I'm glad the first response was helpful for you.

On the basis of the same information in your profile as originally reviewed, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 690, our experience shows that you will be between competitive and strong (closer to strong, with potential for a significant scholarship) at Georgetown McDonough. When you refer to "Boston," I'm not sure if you are referring to Boston University or Boston College (two different institutions). Aringo's specialty is in assessing candidates for the top 30 global programs, and both BU and BC are generally characterized as outside that window. At the same time, it is likely that you would be a strong candidate for both of those programs.

Regarding the courses you mentioned that are aligned with a business orientation:
Your undergraduate major was in electronics and communications, so I am assuming that the majority of the courses you list were electives or perhaps classes taken recently outside of your undergraduate experience. In terms of whether or not you should highlight them in your application, the answer is "it depends."

Why?

First, keep in mind that business schools are trying to build a very diverse class of students, and many students with backgrounds in engineering or humanities have had literally no business coursework to date prior to starting an MBA. As such, do not think that you would be penalized if you do not have an undergraduate business degree when applying to business school.

Best of luck,

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04 Aug 2011, 20:20
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Thank you so much Brian for the detailed feedback. It was really helpful to know the points on which I can improve.

What do you think of my chances at Fuqua, Haas, Columbia, Sloan, Yale, LBS, Judge and Said?

inspired,

Thank you for the follow-up question. On the basis of the same information in your profile as originally reviewed, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 720, our experience shows that you will be between competitive and stretch (closer to stretch) at Columbia, between competitive and stretch at MIT Sloan, between competitive and stretch (closer to competitive) at Yale SOM and Haas, competitive at LBS, between competitive and strong (closer to competitive) at Fuqua and Cambridge Judge, and between competitive and strong (closer to strong, with potential for a significant scholarship) at Oxford Said.

Best of luck,

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07 Aug 2011, 00:45
1) Work experience: 3.5 years at Accenture, India as a Software Engineer. Have got Accenture Celebrates Excellence Award. Have also recieved extremely good ratings.

2) 700 GMAT

3) X- 82.4%
XII - 80%
Undergrad: 3.4 CGPA from Manipal Institute of Technology, Manipal, India.

4) Extracurricular: Have been actively involved in several sports and extra curricular activities since school days.

School days - Badminton tea captain

College - Part of the College Badminton team, represented the college on several competitions and won several accolades for this.

Drama - Actively involved in the drama club, performed stage plays, and several short plays. Won several awards for this as well.

Dance - Part of the bhangra dance group in college.

Won the Miss CEO Award at the college fest.

5) Career Goals:

Entrepreneurship. To start something on my own. Currently, looking for a change in career though.

6)Personal: 24 yrs female, Indian.

7) I've started my own venture, which is not linked in any way to my current profession.

Please suggest which schools should I apply to?
I've only looked at ISB for now.

Please let me know whether my profile is suitable for ISB and for any other colleges?
and what else could I do to improve my application.

Thank you!
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08 Aug 2011, 14:35
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Hi Gil and Brian,

Thanks for these evaluations, reading through your analysis is very helpful. If you could provide me with some feedback, I would greatly appreciate it. I will try and keep my profile brief.

Profile : Male - American (Asian Decent)

Education : University of Illinois - Urbana Chamapaign. Bachelor of Science in Accountancy. 3.5GPA, Dean's list for some semesters. Licensed CPA.

GMAT: 700 (Q44 V 41)

Work Experience : 2 years in Big 4 audit, high performer, then transferred and have completed 2 years in the Transaction Services group specializing in Valuations.

EC : I have been an assistant coach for a little league baseball team for the past year. Additionally, I volunteer for the first tee organization to teach golf to underprivileged youth. I have a few students assigned to me who I coach and follow as they participate in tournaments etc. I also volunteer in Junior Achievement days of teaching where I teach underprivileged students a handful of times throughout the year.

Target Schools : Kellogg, Booth, Wharton, Harvard, Yale, Columbia

If you could provide me any feedback, that would be great. Thanks!

kwoodmprior,

Thank you for submitting your profile. On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 700, our experience shows that you will be a stretch candidate at Kellogg, Booth, Wharton, Harvard, and Columbia, and between competitive and stretch (closer to stretch) at Yale SOM. You would be between competitive and stretch at Ross, competitive at Darden, and strong at Texas McCombs.

The strength of your profile, based on our experience, is your strong performance at the Big 4 firm.

Some items to consider in your profile:

Career performance and future goals
- Definitely highlight that you were a high performer, both in your CV and within your essays. As you know, Big 4 firms bring in a huge class of undergraduates each year, and MBA programs respect their ability to bring in and evaluate young talent.
- Discuss your transition to work in valuation, why you were interested in working there, etc. You do not mention future career goals or why you want an MBA. Depending on what these are, your background in valuation would be quite beneficial for a future in investment banking, for instance.

Extracurricular activities
- It sounds like you love athletics. Otherwise, you wouldn't have focused most of your extracurricular activities in this area (or at least those that you presented in your profile). If you can tie in your future goals with some kind of theme that links to your prior work experience or your involvement with underprivileged youth, it would be beneficial. Additionally, something to think about for your essays would be to say you'd continue with athletic involvement in an MBA program, as there are many intramural sports played and many opportunities to mentor youths in underprivileged school districts. This is especially true if the MBA programs you're applying to are near urban centers like Chicago or New York.

Overall, the main challenge in your profile is that both your GMAT and GPA are slightly below average for most top MBA programs. As such, you have to make up for this in other areas within your application. Depending on how many times you have taken the GMAT and what your practice results looked like, you may consider retaking the test to achieve a higher score to improve your chances.

Best of luck,

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08 Aug 2011, 20:22
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1) Work experience: 3.5 years at Accenture, India as a Software Engineer. Have got Accenture Celebrates Excellence Award. Have also recieved extremely good ratings.

2) 700 GMAT

3) X- 82.4%
XII - 80%
Undergrad: 3.4 CGPA from Manipal Institute of Technology, Manipal, India.

4) Extracurricular: Have been actively involved in several sports and extra curricular activities since school days.

School days - Badminton tea captain

College - Part of the College Badminton team, represented the college on several competitions and won several accolades for this.

Drama - Actively involved in the drama club, performed stage plays, and several short plays. Won several awards for this as well.

Dance - Part of the bhangra dance group in college.

Won the Miss CEO Award at the college fest.

5) Career Goals:

Entrepreneurship. To start something on my own. Currently, looking for a change in career though.

6)Personal: 24 yrs female, Indian.

7) I've started my own venture, which is not linked in any way to my current profession.

Please suggest which schools should I apply to?
I've only looked at ISB for now.

Please let me know whether my profile is suitable for ISB and for any other colleges?
and what else could I do to improve my application.

Thank you!

avaniupta,

Thank you for submitting your profile. On the basis of the information as presented in your profile, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 700, our experience shows that you will be a stretch at Booth and Kellogg, between competitive and stretch at Tuck, competitive at Fuqua, and strong at IESE. The evaluation of your chances at ISB, however, is slightly more challenging to evaluate - not because of you personally or your profile, but because of the improving shift in the school's profile as a younger MBA program that just passed its 10 year mark. A few years ago, it is likely that you would have been considered a strong candidate, but ranking improvements and our own interactions with applicants suggests you would now be in the 'competitive' to 'stretch' window.

- Keep in mind my assumption is that the 3.4 GPA was calculated or translated from the 10 point scale used often in India on a class graduation percentile, rather than straight linear translation, methodology. This 3.4/4.0 level would place you below the top 1/3 of your classmates. If your GPA was instead 85% (which is 3.4 divided by 4.0), your profile is improved. Bottom line: Please do not assume a linear translation from the 10 point scale to the 4 point scale. In any event, this 3.4 GPA, plus a GMAT of 700, places you slightly below most top business schools' average scores of matriculating students.
- Since you were not in a client-facing role at Accenture (my assumption based on your description of responsibilities), it will be important to present evidence of your communication, presentation, and persuasion abilities in your essays.
- You will also need to elaborate further in the application about the competition levels for some of the awards you received, so as to provide context for the admission committees.
- Regarding selection and prioritization of schools, based on our experience with applicants, I would actually advise you to consider first thinking further about your career goals. To look for a change is ok, and is something many MBA applicants are aspiring for, yet I don't see (yet) in your description the outline of a specific, exciting, realistic career goal. Entrepreneurship is perhaps too broad - which industry? Where geographically? Why? The assumption of strong essays I mentioned initially about your candidacy is based, in part, on coherent and reasonable arguments about these types of issues.

Generally speaking, these are things you can do to improve your candidacy prior to applications:

Best of luck,

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08 Aug 2011, 21:03
Hello,

Indian, 29, Male
Education: Bachelors in Engg(Computer Science)-2004

Work Ex: Seven years.
2004-Till date: Work for a large global IT Service company
- 3 promotions so far.
- 3 years work ex in india and last 4 in US
- Have consistently received awards(both team and indiv) in the last 7 yrs - total of 8-9 awards
- Have contributed to employer's Intellectual Property pool and submitted many innovative ideas

Extra curricular:
1. Filed a patent for an idea and worked on a prototype to start my own business - an IT startup(the chances on this were promising last year but I seem to have been lost on the way am more leaning towards my idea being outdated, so may give it up by the end of this year)

2. Actively involved in Sports - College and School
- runner up in high school table-tennis competition

3. Somewhat involved in college fests - dramatics, organizing events etc

4. During college - won a few prizes in technical paper presentation contests

5. Amateur photographer
- covered charity events
- pre-wedding events, passport photos, portfolios etc

GMAT: 710 (V35 M50) - v74 percentile and q93 percentile.

Post MBA-aspirations: To work for a few years before starting my own business
MBA stream - entrepreneurship/general management that would help me with my goal of starting a business
Target schools -
Sloan
Tuck
Haas
Stanford

In general, your comments on my profile and target schools would be really helpful. All suggestions welcome and thanks again!
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11 Aug 2011, 14:53
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Hello,

Indian, 29, Male
Education: Bachelors in Engg(Computer Science)-2004

Work Ex: Seven years.
2004-Till date: Work for a large global IT Service company
- 3 promotions so far.
- 3 years work ex in india and last 4 in US
- Have consistently received awards(both team and indiv) in the last 7 yrs - total of 8-9 awards
- Have contributed to employer's Intellectual Property pool and submitted many innovative ideas

Extra curricular:
1. Filed a patent for an idea and worked on a prototype to start my own business - an IT startup(the chances on this were promising last year but I seem to have been lost on the way am more leaning towards my idea being outdated, so may give it up by the end of this year)

2. Actively involved in Sports - College and School
- runner up in high school table-tennis competition

3. Somewhat involved in college fests - dramatics, organizing events etc

4. During college - won a few prizes in technical paper presentation contests

5. Amateur photographer
- covered charity events
- pre-wedding events, passport photos, portfolios etc

GMAT: 710 (V35 M50) - v74 percentile and q93 percentile.

Post MBA-aspirations: To work for a few years before starting my own business
MBA stream - entrepreneurship/general management that would help me with my goal of starting a business
Target schools -
Sloan
Tuck
Haas
Stanford

In general, your comments on my profile and target schools would be really helpful. All suggestions welcome and thanks again!

ravsg,

Thank you for submitting your profile. On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 710, our experience shows that you will be a stretch candidate at MIT Sloan and Stanford, and between competitive and stretch (closer to stretch) at Tuck and Haas. You would be competitive at Darden and Cornell, and strong at UNC Kenan-Flagler and USC Marshall.

In terms of your profile, I am assuming that you do not currently manage any colleagues and that your undergraduate university was not an internationally well-known, prestigious school. If either of these is not the case, it would help your profile. In fact, after seven years of full-time work experience, MBA programs will have somewhat higher expectations for your leadership experience and managerial responsibilities. It sounds like you have been a high performer, though, based on the number of awards and distinctions that your firm has provided to you.

Regarding your extracurricular activities, in our experience with applicants, it does not help much to highlight events in which you participated or were, as you describe, "somewhat involved." Instead, you want to highlight the key 1-2 activities in which you had significant leadership experience and were able to implement significant initiatives with a large impact.

Overall, especially relative to your extensive work experience, it will be important to convince the admission committees of your leadership experience and potential.

Best of luck,

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11 Aug 2011, 20:15

- I have been managing a team of 8 people for the last two years.
- For the IP, I went ahead with the prototype and tried to secure seed funding from a VC in Silicon valley but it didn't work out.
I am more interested in Tech. initiatives so was looking mainly at the 4 schools I mentioned.
Two questions -
1) How much do you think would be a safe score if I have to retake the GMAT?
2) Would it be risky to apply to these 4 schools this year with a 710 and if I don't make it, reapply next year with an ideal(740-750) GMAT score? considering that I can highlight leadership qualities even better next year.
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15 Aug 2011, 03:56
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Thanks Brian, appreciate your help! Just some additional information - - I have been managing a team of 8 people for the last two years. - For the IP, I went ahead with the prototype and tried to secure seed funding from a VC in Silicon valley but it didn't work out. I am more interested in Tech. initiatives so was looking mainly at the 4 schools I mentioned. Two questions - 1) How much do you think would be a safe score if I have to retake the GMAT? 2) Would it be risky to apply to these 4 schools this year with a 710 and if I don't make it, reapply next year with an ideal(740-750) GMAT score? considering that I can highlight leadership qualities even better next year.

ravsg,

Thank you for the follow-up questions. In our experience, there is really no such thing as a “safe” GMAT score, because the GMAT is but one of many important factors taken into account during the admission process. Additionally, applicants in the Indian male demographic in the IT sector face particularly tough competition. Clearly, though, a better GMAT score certainly helps your candidacy, all things equal. Specifically, on the basis of an assumed GMAT of 750 and the additional information in your second post, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations, our experience shows that you would be between competitive and stretch (closer to stretch) at Stanford, competitive at Sloan, between competitive and strong (closer to competitive) at Haas, and between competitive and strong (closer to strong) at Tuck.

Regarding leadership, you mentioned in the second post that you have been leading a team of eight for the past two years. Typically, this would be enough time in this kind of position to be able to highlight significant leadership capabilities, improvements, and/or accomplishments in your application. It might be easier for you to discuss your leadership experience from your professional endeavors relative to extracurricular activities, given that you are managing these people today.

With respect to applying this year with your current GMAT and consideration about retaking the test for next year if you are not successful, keep in mind another variable that will become relevant is your age. In particular, in our experience, after applicants reach age 30 and beyond, it becomes more difficult to gain admission with each successive year. One option to consider would be to retake the GMAT now, and then apply in Round 2 of this year. Typically, we observe a slight reduction in chances in Round 2 vs. Round 1, but it varies year to year. Retaking the GMAT to apply in Round 2, of course, assumes that improving your GMAT score by 40 points is realistically achievable. For instance, if you scored in the 750 range in various practice tests before and/or know of your common mistakes at the ~700 level to eliminate going forward, it would make sense to consider retaking the test.

Best of luck,

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20 Aug 2011, 00:14
Dear Brian,

I plan to submit about 4-5 applications for 2012. What is the recommended balance between Top 5 programs and all the others?

Thanks!
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20 Aug 2011, 07:04
Thank you!
BrianW wrote:

ravsg,

Thank you for the follow-up questions......

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24 Aug 2011, 11:58
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Dear Brian,
I plan to submit about 4-5 applications for 2012. What is the recommended balance between Top 5 programs and all the others?
Thanks!

Steve2014,

Thank you for the question. What is the level of risk you wish to assume? To what extent do you wish to guarantee admission? How important are the prospects for a significant scholarship? Different candidates have different answers to these questions. We would advise the “average candidate” to apply to 5-7 programs (in the first two rounds) and include 1-2 schools where they are strong candidates with potential for a significant scholarship, 1-3 schools where they are competitive candidates, and 1-2 schools where their candidacy is a stretch.

Best of luck,

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27 Aug 2011, 11:45
Hello Brian,

Could you evaluate my profile and let me know my chances for Admission at Stanford, Kellogg and NYU if I apply during R1 this year (for Fall 2012)?

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Overall Profile

1. GMAT Score: Yet to give, but have scheduled a test-date. (expected 680-700 based on current GMAT Prep scores)
2. Graduated in Dubai – BE (Hons) in Electronics & Instrumentation (GPA: 3.28/4)
3. I have 3 years of Entrepreneurship Experience running an IT company (4 yrs by Fall 2012).
4. Nationality: Indian; Age: 24 yrs old (25yrs by Fall 2012)
5. Currently held position: COO
6. Started first company right out of college in 2008 with 2 partners; grown successfully to 3 companies across Dubai, Hong Kong and India, managing a total of 12 employees.
7. Biggest success is an Online network currently ranked among the top 150 websites in the world.
7. Languages known - English (Expert), Hindi (Expert), Telugu (Expert), French (Basic Proficiency), Arabic (Basic Proficiency)

Work Ex Highlights

• Interned at 2 very large Oil & Gas companies in the Gulf during college (for a total of 8 months (2+6)).
• Worked for 2 years (lasts for only 2 months each - so a total of 4 months spread across 2007 and 2008) with Dubai International Film Festival, directly managing about 500 or so Volunteers each year. Gained significant leadership experience here, due to the various groups of people I had to manage at once (people from various parts of the globe, varying from 15yrs to even 60yrs in age).
• Started my first company with right out of college, turned it into a successful venture and am now managing 3 companies across Dubai, Hong Kong and India, with a total of 12 employees.
• Company's annual turnover is currently over 1 MM$- would say it's a pretty successful venture, having started off without any external funding from family or VC's. Extra-Curricular Activities - Volunteered at Dubai International Film Festival for 2 years. - Was promoted to Captain at Dubai Film Fest, wherein I trained and managed about 500-700 volunteers through the event. - Was an integral part of the Events Organizing Committee at college. - Helped in organizing several Inter-College Competitions and Events during college. - Was a Professor's TA (Teaching-Assistant) at various Engineering Lab's during final 2 years of College. - Won 3'rd place in a Software Development Trade Show held at University of Wollongong, sponsored by Microsoft Gulf. Hobbies: Karting, Archery (taking professional classes), Football, Volleyball Target Schools: 2 Year Full Time MBA at Stanford (Entrepreneurship), Kellogg (Marketing/Entrep), NYU: Stern or McCombs. Safety Schools: Babson, UCLA, ESADE & IESE (Spain) Why MBA? To network with people from my Industry, to network with VC's for my projects currently in development, to learn how to efficiently form & execute business plans on a much larger scale and to hone my leadership skills. -------------------- From my perspective, my strong points are: Entrepreneurship, EC's, Perfect age-group for Stanford. Potential weak points could be: GMAT Score (not yet given, but with my profile would 680-700 be low?), Undergrad-GPA (is 3.28 low?), Nationality (Indian male, from Engg background in IT). Please let me know your thoughts on this. Thanks a lot for your help! Intern Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 46 Location: United States (MI) Concentration: Technology, Strategy Schools: Ross '14 (M) GMAT 1: 710 Q50 V36 GPA: 3.75 WE: Engineering (Energy and Utilities) Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 11 [0], given: 4 Re: Ask ARINGO - if your GMAT is (or might be) below 720 [#permalink] ### Show Tags 27 Aug 2011, 20:11 Hi Brian, Could you please evaluate my profile? Thank you! ------------------------------ Demographic Indian - Born in India, raised in India, Africa, Canada and the US. Currently a Canadian / US dual-citizen. Male Age:27 GMAT: 710 (Q48,V40, AWA:TBD) Education Undergrad at Wayne State University (Detroit) - Graduated with Honors (first engineer in the history of the University) Graduation 2005 Major: Electrical Engineering GPA: 3.74 Masters at University of Michigan (Ann Arbor) Applying for Fall 2012 Work Experience Currently working as a design and consulting engineer in the Power Generation field (3.5 years). Worked for a little over a year at a start-up company after completing MSEE (left due to funding issues). Will have 5.5 years at beginning of Fall 2012 programs. Extra-curricular Active member of a local non-profit organization. Have served on the Board of Directors, served as a CFO for the same non-profit and volunteer there as well. Worked closely with the staff accountant and even participated in hiring process for the organization. Won a lifetime achievement award for contribution to the organization's finance committee (6th person in the history of the 70+ year old organization). Licensed as a Professional Engineer (fairly lengthy and rigorous process). Licensed as a LEED AP by Green Building Certification Institute. Have presented at conferences related to my field. Post MBA Goals Would like to work in project development for large scale infrastructure projects. Would like to attend an MBA program with a strong emphasis on Management and Finance as it will complement my engineering background well to reach my career goals. Top choices for schools: Wharton, Tuck, Kellog, Booth, Ross and Sloan Also, any schools I should consider that I've missed? Intern Joined: 20 Jul 2011 Posts: 11 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 94 Re: Ask ARINGO - if your GMAT is (or might be) below 720 [#permalink] ### Show Tags 28 Aug 2011, 09:33 deleted Last edited by dutchgerman17 on 28 Jun 2012, 22:55, edited 1 time in total. MBA Admissions Consultant Status: Senior Consultant, Aringo Joined: 19 Jul 2011 Posts: 117 Concentration: Strategy, Marketing Schools: Northwestern (Kellogg) - Class of 0 GMAT 1: 700 Q V GPA: 3.92 WE: Management Consulting (Consulting) Followers: 3 Kudos [?]: 11 [0], given: 0 Re: Ask ARINGO - if your GMAT is (or might be) below 720 [#permalink] ### Show Tags 29 Aug 2011, 18:41 Quote: Hello Brian, Could you evaluate my profile and let me know my chances for Admission at Stanford, Kellogg and NYU if I apply during R1 this year (for Fall 2012)? -------------------- Overall Profile 1. GMAT Score: Yet to give, but have scheduled a test-date. (expected 680-700 based on current GMAT Prep scores) 2. Graduated in Dubai – BE (Hons) in Electronics & Instrumentation (GPA: 3.28/4) 3. I have 3 years of Entrepreneurship Experience running an IT company (4 yrs by Fall 2012). 4. Nationality: Indian; Age: 24 yrs old (25yrs by Fall 2012) 5. Currently held position: COO 6. Started first company right out of college in 2008 with 2 partners; grown successfully to 3 companies across Dubai, Hong Kong and India, managing a total of 12 employees. 7. Biggest success is an Online network currently ranked among the top 150 websites in the world. 7. Languages known - English (Expert), Hindi (Expert), Telugu (Expert), French (Basic Proficiency), Arabic (Basic Proficiency) Work Ex Highlights • Interned at 2 very large Oil & Gas companies in the Gulf during college (for a total of 8 months (2+6)). • Worked for 2 years (lasts for only 2 months each - so a total of 4 months spread across 2007 and 2008) with Dubai International Film Festival, directly managing about 500 or so Volunteers each year. Gained significant leadership experience here, due to the various groups of people I had to manage at once (people from various parts of the globe, varying from 15yrs to even 60yrs in age). • Started my first company with right out of college, turned it into a successful venture and am now managing 3 companies across Dubai, Hong Kong and India, with a total of 12 employees. • Company's annual turnover is currently over 1 MM$ - would say it's a pretty successful venture, having started off without any external funding from family or VC's.

Extra-Curricular Activities

- Volunteered at Dubai International Film Festival for 2 years.
- Was promoted to Captain at Dubai Film Fest, wherein I trained and managed about 500-700 volunteers through the event.
- Was an integral part of the Events Organizing Committee at college.
- Helped in organizing several Inter-College Competitions and Events during college.
- Was a Professor's TA (Teaching-Assistant) at various Engineering Lab's during final 2 years of College.
- Won 3'rd place in a Software Development Trade Show held at University of Wollongong, sponsored by Microsoft Gulf.

Hobbies:
Karting, Archery (taking professional classes), Football, Volleyball

Target Schools:
2 Year Full Time MBA at Stanford (Entrepreneurship), Kellogg (Marketing/Entrep), NYU: Stern or McCombs.
Safety Schools: Babson, UCLA, ESADE & IESE (Spain)

Why MBA?
To network with people from my Industry, to network with VC's for my projects currently in development, to learn how to efficiently form & execute business plans on a much larger scale and to hone my leadership skills.
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From my perspective, my strong points are: Entrepreneurship, EC's, Perfect age-group for Stanford.
Potential weak points could be: GMAT Score (not yet given, but with my profile would 680-700 be low?), Undergrad-GPA (is 3.28 low?), Nationality (Indian male, from Engg background in IT).

Prabhakar,

Thank you for your profile submission. On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 690, our experience shows that you will be a stretch candidate at Stanford and Kellogg, between competitive and stretch (closer to stretch) at NYU Stern and UCLA Anderson, between competitive and stretch (closer to competitive) at IESE, and competitive at Texas McCombs, Babson, and ESADE.

Additionally, specific to your profile, I would say you should explain the nature / difference between the 3 firms. Are they in the same industry? Are they the same company but just operating in different geographies? To some extent, the further "apart" the companies are (in scope), the less focused you potentially appear to the admission committees. Why? Ad coms believe 50 year old serial entrepreneurs can get away with running three firms of different scope, but less experienced professionals would have a harder time doing this. You mention there are 12 employees and that you're COO - you will need to be clear on whether you have direct supervision of these employees or not (if you do, it's better). Finally, always provide context and quantify your firm's results, which you've done in your profile well.

Your 'why MBA' reasons are logical and reasonable given your career path. When you write your essays, research each MBA programs' unique entrepreneurial ventures that tie in with your goals and name them.

Best of luck,

_________________

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30 Aug 2011, 01:01
Hi Brian,

Thanks a lot for your insightful feedback! It's the most detailed and best one I've received so far, so I really appreciate it.

Let's go over each of the points 1 by 1:

1. GMAT Score: Okay, so clearly any score below 700 would make both Stanford & Kellogg a stretch for me. Though 800 is the upper limit, could you give me a realistic target-score that I should try and achieve, to make the GMAT score fit in well with the rest of my profile? (710..720?...more? )

2. Undergrad GPA: Not sure now it works in my college, but I do have a Honors degree in Engg. and have graduated in the top 15% of my class (11/70 in my class) and my GPA was actually out of 10, wherein I got an 8.3 GPA. If this is indeed a -ive point, I guess there's nothing much I can do to counter it than balance it with a higher GMAT score.

Note note note: Just googled this up and looks like an 8.3/10 is not really = a 3.3/4. Various sources are providing diff ways of calculating a GPA and many even suggest contacting each college to find out about their conversion method. Brian, what's your take on the GPA of 8.3/10?

4. Recommendations: You're spot on about this! I'm totally handicapped when it comes to Recommendations. After rocking my brains out, I was able to come up with the following options:
(1). My supervisor while I worked with Dubai Film Fest (worked under her for first 2yrs while Volunteering, and then again after I was hired too).
(2). My supervisor/Manager, at the company where I first interned during college (though it was only for 2 months, I had the opportunity to extensively work with and learn from him during this Internship. However, this was over 5 years ago and I would like to know whether Stanford/Kellogg/NYU would consider such an LOR as a valuable insight to effectively evaluate my profile?
(3). Should I consider requesting a Reference Letter from my undergrad college professor instead (have been taught by this professor for 2 years, and have worked with her on organizing several events at college as a part of the Events Organizing Committee) or are Academic LOR's generally frowned upon?

If not, what other alternative approaches would you suggest? Please share your thoughts on this aspect.

5. My 3 companies: The Dubai branch is the HQ and the other 2 are just branches doing the same work, spread across the Globe for efficiency and ease. I'm in no situation to manage 3 diff companies doing 3 completely diff things at present (hopefully after an MBA, that shouldn't be an issue if the need arises ). And yes, I directly supervise all the current employees and its a part of my job as the COO.

6. Big name clients/partners: Thanks for this tip! However, where should I possibly consider listing our company's partners, clients, etc without appearing to boast about it? (Could only possibly think of listing them in the CV perhaps?..anywhere else? I'm unable to place such information anywhere in my Stanford Essays for example..)

Once again, thanks a lot for taking so much time to help me assess my profile and fit into these top colleges!

Prabhakar

BrianW wrote:
Quote:
Hello Brian,

Could you evaluate my profile and let me know my chances for Admission at Stanford, Kellogg and NYU if I apply during R1 this year (for Fall 2012)?

--------------------
Overall Profile

1. GMAT Score: Yet to give, but have scheduled a test-date. (expected 680-700 based on current GMAT Prep scores)
2. Graduated in Dubai – BE (Hons) in Electronics & Instrumentation (GPA: 3.28/4)
3. I have 3 years of Entrepreneurship Experience running an IT company (4 yrs by Fall 2012).
4. Nationality: Indian; Age: 24 yrs old (25yrs by Fall 2012)
5. Currently held position: COO
6. Started first company right out of college in 2008 with 2 partners; grown successfully to 3 companies across Dubai, Hong Kong and India, managing a total of 12 employees.
7. Biggest success is an Online network currently ranked among the top 150 websites in the world.
7. Languages known - English (Expert), Hindi (Expert), Telugu (Expert), French (Basic Proficiency), Arabic (Basic Proficiency)

Work Ex Highlights

• Interned at 2 very large Oil & Gas companies in the Gulf during college (for a total of 8 months (2+6)).
• Worked for 2 years (lasts for only 2 months each - so a total of 4 months spread across 2007 and 2008) with Dubai International Film Festival, directly managing about 500 or so Volunteers each year. Gained significant leadership experience here, due to the various groups of people I had to manage at once (people from various parts of the globe, varying from 15yrs to even 60yrs in age).
• Started my first company with right out of college, turned it into a successful venture and am now managing 3 companies across Dubai, Hong Kong and India, with a total of 12 employees.
• Company's annual turnover is currently over 1 MM\$ - would say it's a pretty successful venture, having started off without any external funding from family or VC's.

Extra-Curricular Activities

- Volunteered at Dubai International Film Festival for 2 years.
- Was promoted to Captain at Dubai Film Fest, wherein I trained and managed about 500-700 volunteers through the event.
- Was an integral part of the Events Organizing Committee at college.
- Helped in organizing several Inter-College Competitions and Events during college.
- Was a Professor's TA (Teaching-Assistant) at various Engineering Lab's during final 2 years of College.
- Won 3'rd place in a Software Development Trade Show held at University of Wollongong, sponsored by Microsoft Gulf.

Hobbies:
Karting, Archery (taking professional classes), Football, Volleyball

Target Schools:
2 Year Full Time MBA at Stanford (Entrepreneurship), Kellogg (Marketing/Entrep), NYU: Stern or McCombs.
Safety Schools: Babson, UCLA, ESADE & IESE (Spain)

Why MBA?
To network with people from my Industry, to network with VC's for my projects currently in development, to learn how to efficiently form & execute business plans on a much larger scale and to hone my leadership skills.
--------------------

From my perspective, my strong points are: Entrepreneurship, EC's, Perfect age-group for Stanford.
Potential weak points could be: GMAT Score (not yet given, but with my profile would 680-700 be low?), Undergrad-GPA (is 3.28 low?), Nationality (Indian male, from Engg background in IT).

Prabhakar,

Thank you for your profile submission. On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 690, our experience shows that you will be a stretch candidate at Stanford and Kellogg, between competitive and stretch (closer to stretch) at NYU Stern and UCLA Anderson, between competitive and stretch (closer to competitive) at IESE, and competitive at Texas McCombs, Babson, and ESADE.

Additionally, specific to your profile, I would say you should explain the nature / difference between the 3 firms. Are they in the same industry? Are they the same company but just operating in different geographies? To some extent, the further "apart" the companies are (in scope), the less focused you potentially appear to the admission committees. Why? Ad coms believe 50 year old serial entrepreneurs can get away with running three firms of different scope, but less experienced professionals would have a harder time doing this. You mention there are 12 employees and that you're COO - you will need to be clear on whether you have direct supervision of these employees or not (if you do, it's better). Finally, always provide context and quantify your firm's results, which you've done in your profile well.

Your 'why MBA' reasons are logical and reasonable given your career path. When you write your essays, research each MBA programs' unique entrepreneurial ventures that tie in with your goals and name them.

Best of luck,

Brian
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