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Hi Brian,

Could you please evaluate my profile? Thank you!

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Demographic
Indian - Born in India, raised in India, Africa, Canada and the US. Currently a Canadian / US dual-citizen.
Male
Age:27
GMAT: 710 (Q48,V40, AWA:TBD)

Education
Undergrad at Wayne State University (Detroit) - Graduated with Honors (first engineer in the history of the University)
Graduation 2005
Major: Electrical Engineering
GPA: 3.74
Masters at University of Michigan (Ann Arbor)
Applying for Fall 2012

Work Experience
Currently working as a design and consulting engineer in the Power Generation field (3.5 years).
Worked for a little over a year at a start-up company after completing MSEE (left due to funding issues).
Will have 5.5 years at beginning of Fall 2012 programs.

Extra-curricular
Active member of a local non-profit organization. Have served on the Board of Directors, served as a CFO for the same non-profit and volunteer there as well. Worked closely with the staff accountant and even participated in hiring process for the organization. Won a lifetime achievement award for contribution to the organization's finance committee (6th person in the history of the 70+ year old organization).
Licensed as a Professional Engineer (fairly lengthy and rigorous process).
Licensed as a LEED AP by Green Building Certification Institute.
Have presented at conferences related to my field.

Post MBA Goals
Would like to work in project development for large scale infrastructure projects. Would like to attend an MBA program with a strong emphasis on Management and Finance as it will complement my engineering background well to reach my career goals.

Top choices for schools: Wharton, Tuck, Kellog, Booth, Ross and Sloan

Also, any schools I should consider that I've missed?


Jassiinpublic,

Thank you for submitting your profile. On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 710, our experience shows that you will be between competitive and stretch (closer to stretch) at Kellogg, between competitive and stretch at Wharton and Booth, between competitive and stretch (closer to competitive) at Sloan, competitive at Tuck, and between competitive and strong (closer to competitive) at Ross.

Full disclosure on my part for this post - my undergrad and master's in mechanical engineering were from the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, so I am quite familiar with the programs you went through. At the same time, my response will be from the point of view of the admission committees and how they might react to your profile.

Overall, you have a good profile, with GPA and GMAT right in the middle or near the middle of matriculating students at top programs. Your extracurricular involvement shows a lot of leadership and initiative, and the lifetime achievement award is a great validation of your work and the amount of time you've spent with the organization. The certifications and professional distinctions add credibility to your academic training. Definitely talk about your presentations at conferences in your essays or on your CV, including the context (how many people did you present to, was it your work that you presented, etc.).

A few items you will want to consider to help your chances:

- How did you fare in terms of graduation rank in the master's program at Michigan? This is potentially a hard question for you to answer, because in my experience there UM did not give out graduate honors. The reason I bring this up is because the Michigan name in engineering, particuarly at the graduate level, is quite strong. Since you were among the first graduating class in engineering at Wayne State, the ad coms have less of a data point about how to rate the difficulty/rigor of that program. Additionally, outside of Ross (since Wayne State is in Detroit), the other schools you're applying to will be much less familiar with Wayne State than with Michigan. Finally, if you received a scholarship from Wayne State, talk about that as a reason for attending there.

- You have a unique career path post-MBA, which is good. At the same time, it's also a non-traditional post-MBA job, so you will want to spend a bit extra space elaborating on why you would need an MBA for this profession and what skills it would bring in. In particular, you may want to talk to people in that field and get anecdotal input (which you could quote in essays) about why MBA for infrastructure projects. To me, it sounds like you'd want to play up the notion that you also are interested in public policy / public economics issues, based on the nature of your career goals.

In terms of schools to recommend, given that you have an interest in finance and (general) management, you have hit upon the majority of the top programs that would make sense for you. Others to include might be Haas or Fuqua (good combination of general management primarily with reputable finance programs), or a school that has a higher mix of engineers in its class (and who thus value your work experience and professional accomplishments), such as Tepper.

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Hi Brian,

Thanks a lot for your insightful feedback! It's the most detailed and best one I've received so far, so I really appreciate it.

Let's go over each of the points 1 by 1:

1. GMAT Score: Okay, so clearly any score below 700 would make both Stanford & Kellogg a stretch for me. Though 800 is the upper limit, could you give me a realistic target-score that I should try and achieve, to make the GMAT score fit in well with the rest of my profile? (710..720?...more? )

2. Undergrad GPA: Not sure now it works in my college, but I do have a Honors degree in Engg. and have graduated in the top 15% of my class (11/70 in my class) and my GPA was actually out of 10, wherein I got an 8.3 GPA. If this is indeed a -ive point, I guess there's nothing much I can do to counter it than balance it with a higher GMAT score.

Note note note: Just googled this up and looks like an 8.3/10 is not really = a 3.3/4. Various sources are providing diff ways of calculating a GPA and many even suggest contacting each college to find out about their conversion method. Brian, what's your take on the GPA of 8.3/10?

3. Final Year In-Campus Interviews: Yes, I did attend many of the in-campus Hiring sessions held at my college (had to go through several rounds of them for each company infact) and received multiple job offers, with relatively attractive salary packages for a fresh-grad in Dubai. However, by the time I had to take a decision on which direction to follow (give a confirmation on either of these job offers), I chose the path I have taken up now, despite being severely forced from all directions (family, friends, relatives..) to take the traditional job-route; I had made up my mind to not get into the rat-race like everyone else (I was also heavily influenced by the book 'Rich Dad, Poor Dad' which I so coincidentally read while in this dilemma).

4. Recommendations: You're spot on about this! I'm totally handicapped when it comes to Recommendations. After rocking my brains out, I was able to come up with the following options:
(1). My supervisor while I worked with Dubai Film Fest (worked under her for first 2yrs while Volunteering, and then again after I was hired too).
(2). My supervisor/Manager, at the company where I first interned during college (though it was only for 2 months, I had the opportunity to extensively work with and learn from him during this Internship. However, this was over 5 years ago and I would like to know whether Stanford/Kellogg/NYU would consider such an LOR as a valuable insight to effectively evaluate my profile?
(3). Should I consider requesting a Reference Letter from my undergrad college professor instead (have been taught by this professor for 2 years, and have worked with her on organizing several events at college as a part of the Events Organizing Committee) or are Academic LOR's generally frowned upon?

If not, what other alternative approaches would you suggest? Please share your thoughts on this aspect.

5. My 3 companies: The Dubai branch is the HQ and the other 2 are just branches doing the same work, spread across the Globe for efficiency and ease. I'm in no situation to manage 3 diff companies doing 3 completely diff things at present (hopefully after an MBA, that shouldn't be an issue if the need arises ). And yes, I directly supervise all the current employees and its a part of my job as the COO.

6. Big name clients/partners: Thanks for this tip! However, where should I possibly consider listing our company's partners, clients, etc without appearing to boast about it? (Could only possibly think of listing them in the CV perhaps?..anywhere else? I'm unable to place such information anywhere in my Stanford Essays for example..)

Once again, thanks a lot for taking so much time to help me assess my profile and fit into these top colleges!

Prabhakar


Prahbakar,

Thank you for the follow-up questions. I'm glad my comments were helpful.

Regarding your inquiries:

1) You can see the relative sensitivity that an improved GMAT score would have on your chances by looking at the Aringo Chances Evaluation tool: Chances As I have stated previously in this thread, there is really no such thing as a "safe" GMAT score, so I would not be able to say at what level you would need to get to, per se.

2) Being in the top 15% of your class is not a negative, but having a 3.3 / 4.0 GPA would be if that were truly on an American university scale (because it would certainly not be in the top 15%). Don't worry about trying to convert your 8.3 into a 4.0 score GPA. Instead, just list it as you received it from your university on your CV, but definitely include the honors and top 15% items in your CV. Top MBA programs know how grading in India works - trying to translate to the 4.0 just confuses things.

3) It's perfectly fine to have made the decision you did - no MBA program is going to hold it against you. What you should do, as originally mentioned, was to comment on these offers in your essays to point out to the ad coms that it was an option. The area that makes the most sense is the career essay, in which you could say how you considered those jobs at Firm X or Y (name them, especially if it's a big name firm) but ultimately chose entrepreneurship because it was your passion.

4) Regarding recommendations, here are some general thoughts on the matter: Recommendations Of the three you list, the film fest supervisor is realistically the only one of the those I would consider using. Why? It's a relationship that has existed for a few years, the person would know you well, and it's relatively recent. Professors are not really able to value your professional potential as much, and a professional manager from five years ago will not be able to speak to who you are today. You may also consider important clients with whom you have a close relationship and whose relationship would not sour if you told him/her you're considering business school. If you have relied upon insights from a board of directors or senior executives in your field for advice and have established a good rapport, that could also be an option. In general, in our experience, you're going to need at least one of your recommenders be able to speak, in detail, about your entrepreneurship experiences in the past 2-3 years.

5) That's fine then. In your essays and/or CV, just explain you went through a geographic expansion, perhaps elaborating on how and why you chose the first location and then locations two and three.

6) Yes, key clients listed in the CV would make sense. It would also be logical to include them as part of essays if the essay story involves that client, for instance. If it was a big breakthrough that you got big name client X at some point in time, which helped your firm's credibility to get the next clients down the line, that's an example of how to use it. Don't be too overly concerned about sounding like you are bragging. If all you do in essays is drop names and list accomplishments, then yes, that's too much. But in our experience you need to provide the ad coms with enough context and supporting evidence, like listing a big name client or quantifying the financial impact of a project, to come off as a credible applicant.

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You're epic! Thanks a lot Brian! :)

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Hi Brian,

Thanks a lot for your insightful feedback! It's the most detailed and best one I've received so far, so I really appreciate it.

Let's go over each of the points 1 by 1:

1. GMAT Score: Okay, so clearly any score below 700 would make both Stanford & Kellogg a stretch for me. Though 800 is the upper limit, could you give me a realistic target-score that I should try and achieve, to make the GMAT score fit in well with the rest of my profile? (710..720?...more? )

2. Undergrad GPA: Not sure now it works in my college, but I do have a Honors degree in Engg. and have graduated in the top 15% of my class (11/70 in my class) and my GPA was actually out of 10, wherein I got an 8.3 GPA. If this is indeed a -ive point, I guess there's nothing much I can do to counter it than balance it with a higher GMAT score.

Note note note: Just googled this up and looks like an 8.3/10 is not really = a 3.3/4. Various sources are providing diff ways of calculating a GPA and many even suggest contacting each college to find out about their conversion method. Brian, what's your take on the GPA of 8.3/10?

3. Final Year In-Campus Interviews: Yes, I did attend many of the in-campus Hiring sessions held at my college (had to go through several rounds of them for each company infact) and received multiple job offers, with relatively attractive salary packages for a fresh-grad in Dubai. However, by the time I had to take a decision on which direction to follow (give a confirmation on either of these job offers), I chose the path I have taken up now, despite being severely forced from all directions (family, friends, relatives..) to take the traditional job-route; I had made up my mind to not get into the rat-race like everyone else (I was also heavily influenced by the book 'Rich Dad, Poor Dad' which I so coincidentally read while in this dilemma).

4. Recommendations: You're spot on about this! I'm totally handicapped when it comes to Recommendations. After rocking my brains out, I was able to come up with the following options:
(1). My supervisor while I worked with Dubai Film Fest (worked under her for first 2yrs while Volunteering, and then again after I was hired too).
(2). My supervisor/Manager, at the company where I first interned during college (though it was only for 2 months, I had the opportunity to extensively work with and learn from him during this Internship. However, this was over 5 years ago and I would like to know whether Stanford/Kellogg/NYU would consider such an LOR as a valuable insight to effectively evaluate my profile?
(3). Should I consider requesting a Reference Letter from my undergrad college professor instead (have been taught by this professor for 2 years, and have worked with her on organizing several events at college as a part of the Events Organizing Committee) or are Academic LOR's generally frowned upon?

If not, what other alternative approaches would you suggest? Please share your thoughts on this aspect.

5. My 3 companies: The Dubai branch is the HQ and the other 2 are just branches doing the same work, spread across the Globe for efficiency and ease. I'm in no situation to manage 3 diff companies doing 3 completely diff things at present (hopefully after an MBA, that shouldn't be an issue if the need arises ). And yes, I directly supervise all the current employees and its a part of my job as the COO.

6. Big name clients/partners: Thanks for this tip! However, where should I possibly consider listing our company's partners, clients, etc without appearing to boast about it? (Could only possibly think of listing them in the CV perhaps?..anywhere else? I'm unable to place such information anywhere in my Stanford Essays for example..)

Once again, thanks a lot for taking so much time to help me assess my profile and fit into these top colleges!

Prabhakar


Prahbakar,

Thank you for the follow-up questions. I'm glad my comments were helpful.

Regarding your inquiries:

1) You can see the relative sensitivity that an improved GMAT score would have on your chances by looking at the Aringo Chances Evaluation tool: Chances As I have stated previously in this thread, there is really no such thing as a "safe" GMAT score, so I would not be able to say at what level you would need to get to, per se.

2) Being in the top 15% of your class is not a negative, but having a 3.3 / 4.0 GPA would be if that were truly on an American university scale (because it would certainly not be in the top 15%). Don't worry about trying to convert your 8.3 into a 4.0 score GPA. Instead, just list it as you received it from your university on your CV, but definitely include the honors and top 15% items in your CV. Top MBA programs know how grading in India works - trying to translate to the 4.0 just confuses things.

3) It's perfectly fine to have made the decision you did - no MBA program is going to hold it against you. What you should do, as originally mentioned, was to comment on these offers in your essays to point out to the ad coms that it was an option. The area that makes the most sense is the career essay, in which you could say how you considered those jobs at Firm X or Y (name them, especially if it's a big name firm) but ultimately chose entrepreneurship because it was your passion.

4) Regarding recommendations, here are some general thoughts on the matter: Recommendations Of the three you list, the film fest supervisor is realistically the only one of the those I would consider using. Why? It's a relationship that has existed for a few years, the person would know you well, and it's relatively recent. Professors are not really able to value your professional potential as much, and a professional manager from five years ago will not be able to speak to who you are today. You may also consider important clients with whom you have a close relationship and whose relationship would not sour if you told him/her you're considering business school. If you have relied upon insights from a board of directors or senior executives in your field for advice and have established a good rapport, that could also be an option. In general, in our experience, you're going to need at least one of your recommenders be able to speak, in detail, about your entrepreneurship experiences in the past 2-3 years.

5) That's fine then. In your essays and/or CV, just explain you went through a geographic expansion, perhaps elaborating on how and why you chose the first location and then locations two and three.

6) Yes, key clients listed in the CV would make sense. It would also be logical to include them as part of essays if the essay story involves that client, for instance. If it was a big breakthrough that you got big name client X at some point in time, which helped your firm's credibility to get the next clients down the line, that's an example of how to use it. Don't be too overly concerned about sounding like you are bragging. If all you do in essays is drop names and list accomplishments, then yes, that's too much. But in our experience you need to provide the ad coms with enough context and supporting evidence, like listing a big name client or quantifying the financial impact of a project, to come off as a credible applicant.

Best of luck,

Brian
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Brian, I'd love to know what you think about my chances at the schools I am looking at. Thanks. Also, a question I have... I am managing/captaining a recreational soccer team. Is that worth mentioning in a resume application? Should I include my internship as experience (while in school, I was told some companies would consider an internship as a "year of full time experience" so I am wondering if it is the same for B-school.) Thanks for the help!

Personal Information:
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Age: 22
GMAT: 710 (92%) (Q48, V39)

Undergraduate:
Bachelors in Chemical Engineering from Clemson University, GPA 3.1

Work Experience:
-1 year with Fraenkische USA as an Application Engineer. I head up new product evalutations for the corrugated plastic tubing company Fraenkische Industrial Pipes' USA division in Anderson, SC. I also run the logistics and efficiency studies of our newly implimented assembly process for fuel tank lines for use in BMW's engines. I am also leading a project to decomission one of our older corregation lines while desing replacement parts for all customers who currently receive parts from this machine. Finally, I am in charge of all of the environmental impacts from our plant as well as handling supplier quality issues.
-1 summer internship (don't know if this counts or I should include it, but will tell you all I have to offer) with Controls Southeast, Inc in Pineville, NC. I worked as a junior project manager for the steam solutions company, abbreviated CSI, assisting the PMAs with bill of material analyses, energy consumption studies for clients, and research into insulation solutions.

Extra Curricular/Honors:
- Calhoun Honors College at Clemson University
- Receipient of two scholarships at Clemson (Women's Trustees Board Scholarship and another I do not recall the name of, but it was an out-of-state waiver since I am originally from Atlanta, GA)
- 4 year member in Alpha Lambda Delta honors fraternity
- 3 year member of Clemson TigerBand (marching band - Mellophone)
- 2 year member of Clemson Pep Band
- 3 year member of Clemson Symphony Orchestra (French Horn)
- Team leader for senior design project dealing with the design and implimentation of a fat rendering plant turning low grade tallow (animal fats) into a profitable good (Polyolesters, a form of high temperature industrial lubricants). As team leader, I conducted all of the project planning, supervision, and management while still pulling (more than, to be honest) my equal share in the project.


Target Schools:
University of Connecticut School of Business
University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
Columbia University
Clemson University (Night MBA) - if I want to go the part time route, but I think full time would present better/more opportunities for me
University of South Carolina
Duke University (Fuqua)

Post MBA:
I want to work in upper-management at a manfucaturing company either as a plant manager or as a regional manager. I enjoy thinking of logistics and feasibility of things and would love to see that maximized in my future career.
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Brian, I'd love to know what you think about my chances at the schools I am looking at. Thanks. Also, a question I have... I am managing/captaining a recreational soccer team. Is that worth mentioning in a resume application? Should I include my internship as experience (while in school, I was told some companies would consider an internship as a "year of full time experience" so I am wondering if it is the same for B-school.) Thanks for the help!

Personal Information:
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Age: 22
GMAT: 710 (92%) (Q48, V39)

Undergraduate:
Bachelors in Chemical Engineering from Clemson University, GPA 3.1

Work Experience:
-1 year with Fraenkische USA as an Application Engineer. I head up new product evalutations for the corrugated plastic tubing company Fraenkische Industrial Pipes' USA division in Anderson, SC. I also run the logistics and efficiency studies of our newly implimented assembly process for fuel tank lines for use in BMW's engines. I am also leading a project to decomission one of our older corregation lines while desing replacement parts for all customers who currently receive parts from this machine. Finally, I am in charge of all of the environmental impacts from our plant as well as handling supplier quality issues.
-1 summer internship (don't know if this counts or I should include it, but will tell you all I have to offer) with Controls Southeast, Inc in Pineville, NC. I worked as a junior project manager for the steam solutions company, abbreviated CSI, assisting the PMAs with bill of material analyses, energy consumption studies for clients, and research into insulation solutions.

Extra Curricular/Honors:
- Calhoun Honors College at Clemson University
- Receipient of two scholarships at Clemson (Women's Trustees Board Scholarship and another I do not recall the name of, but it was an out-of-state waiver since I am originally from Atlanta, GA)
- 4 year member in Alpha Lambda Delta honors fraternity
- 3 year member of Clemson TigerBand (marching band - Mellophone)
- 2 year member of Clemson Pep Band
- 3 year member of Clemson Symphony Orchestra (French Horn)
- Team leader for senior design project dealing with the design and implimentation of a fat rendering plant turning low grade tallow (animal fats) into a profitable good (Polyolesters, a form of high temperature industrial lubricants). As team leader, I conducted all of the project planning, supervision, and management while still pulling (more than, to be honest) my equal share in the project.


Target Schools:
University of Connecticut School of Business
University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
Columbia University
Clemson University (Night MBA) - if I want to go the part time route, but I think full time would present better/more opportunities for me
University of South Carolina
Duke University (Fuqua)

Post MBA:
I want to work in upper-management at a manfucaturing company either as a plant manager or as a regional manager. I enjoy thinking of logistics and feasibility of things and would love to see that maximized in my future career.


Pitpit,

Thank you for submitting your profile. On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 710, our experience shows that you will be a stretch candidate at Wharton, Columbia, and Fuqua. Please keep in mind that Aringo provides client service and expertise to applicants who are interested in the top 30 business schools globally, so I would not be able to advise you on chances for part-time/night programs or school such as Connecticut, Clemson, or South Carolina.

In terms of your profile for a top program, the following would be items to keep in mind:

- Career goals:

I'm not sure if you meant working as a plant manager was your short term (immediately post-MBA) job or more of a long term goal. If you meant the former, keep in mind the vast majority of mid-sized to large manufacturing plants would generally not hire someone with two years of work experience and an MBA. I have seen this accomplished with extensive operations experience and engineering leadership exhibited during the pre-MBA experience for a few colleagues who have graduated from top business schools. As such, I would encourage you to put a more feasible first job post MBA in your essays. Otherwise, you risk losing some credibility. Additionally, it sounds as if you are interested in a career in operations. However, I would encourage you to research this field, as most MBA programs would not necessarily recognize "logistics" as much as they would "operations."

- Work experience: You discuss mostly responsibilities in your daily job, which is fine to introduce yourself. At the same time, make sure your resume lists accomplishments that are quantified.

- School selection: You seem to have listed quite a wide range of programs from a competitiveness standpoint relative to most other applicants, going from Wharton to a part-time program. I would encourage you to further consider your career goals and understand what kind of MBA and work experience would be required to attain those goals. If you are interested in remaining in the southeast United States, you might consider schools such as North Carolina (Kenan-Flagler) and Emory (Goziueta) after you have a few more years of work experience under your belt. Both have strong reputations and are more of a middle ground in terms of where you might have reasonable chances.

- Scholarships: If you mention the proportion of your tuition that was supported (if it was a significant proportion), that can sometimes be more impressive than listing the scholarship name.

- Community service: Regarding your question about managing a soccer team, it sounds as if the people on the team are adults. Based on our experience with clients, this would generally not be considered extracurricular activity or community service in the sense that it's more of a hobby. If you were coaching a children's team, for example, then it's a bit of a different story.

- Internships: Generally, most firms and MBA programs would not seriously consider internships, based on our experience with top global MBA programs. Typically, you remove your internship experience from a resume after starting to work full-time.

Best of luck,

Brian

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I am 31 years old. Is age a problem in gaining admission to Top 10 schools?
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I am 31 years old. Is age a problem in gaining admission to Top 10 schools?


Chris55,

Thank you for your question.

Your age will make it a little more difficult to gain admission into most leading programs. This is not a deal-breaker, but rather, a weakness (which is relatively minor in Wharton, for example, and relatively major in Harvard, for example) that can be counterbalanced through other strong elements in your candidacy.

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Hello!

I would appreciate if you evaluate my profile:

- 26 years old Mexican. Mechanical engineer from a Top 1 private University in Mexico. Graduated with honors, first of my class, GPA 99/100.
- Student leadership diploma, involved in student associations and organized students events
- 3 years of experience in one transnational mexican company (among top 10 national companies) in logistics. Currently Head of Department (4 promotions in 3 years).
- Goals: career change to brand management, marketing or product development
- Openly Gay, planning on create an association to support lgbt teenagers in latinamerican societies
- GMAT 640 (%74), Q45, V33 (I know it is not great), already retook it, firts attempt 550.
- Toefl IBT 115/120

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Hi!

Need your expert advice on my profile.

Indian Female
Age - 27
Work ex - 5 yrs 5 months by March 2012 in a single IT Company (One of the biggest)
GMAT - 650 AWA - 6.0
Associated with 2 NGOs
Bachelor in Engineering - 74.5%
HSC - 94.33%
ICSE - 92%
Awaiting TOEFL result.

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I would appreciate if you evaluate my profile:

- 26 years old Mexican. Mechanical engineer from a Top 1 private University in Mexico. Graduated with honors, first of my class, GPA 99/100.
- Student leadership diploma, involved in student associations and organized students events
- 3 years of experience in one transnational mexican company (among top 10 national companies) in logistics. Currently Head of Department (4 promotions in 3 years).
- Goals: career change to brand management, marketing or product development
- Openly Gay, planning on create an association to support lgbt teenagers in latinamerican societies
- GMAT 640 (%74), Q45, V33 (I know it is not great), already retook it, firts attempt 550.
- Toefl IBT 115/120

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DavidZM,

Thank you for the submission of your profile. On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 640, our experience shows that you will be a stretch candidate at Kellogg, between competitive and stretch at Haas, between competitive and stretch (closer to competitive) at Tuck, competitive at Fuqua, and strong at Texas McCombs.

Here are some items to consider in your profile:

First, it will be important to mention how big your graduating class was at your undergraduate institution. Since you finished at the top (literally), it would be more impressive the more students in your peer group. This point is even more important given your below-average GMAT score. So, definitely make sure that the graduating class size is called out in your resume.

Similarly, double check that all of your promotions are implied with different (and increasing seniority titles) in your resume. Too often, we see candidates with work experience at one firm pre-MBA who do not give themselves enough credit by listing each role separately. Additionally, discuss how prestigious it was for you to receive the "leadership diploma" from your university, such that it helps to differentiate you.

Regarding your plans for the LGBT organization for teenagers, this sounds like a great idea. However, if you are going to refer to it in your essays or the MBA interview as something that you aspire to do in the future, I would encourage you to consider reaching out to people who perhaps have started similar organizations elsewhere. That way, you can elaborate on these discussions and talk more in depth about why you'd need an MBA to help you develop the plan, and it makes your plan sounds more credible. In our experience, the gay community is generally under-represented at business schools, so your discussion of the plan for this teenager support group (and any other elaboration on your background) is an issue to be strategic about in your application.

Regarding your career plans, you would be a career changer - your pre-MBA work is in logistics (and with an engineering degree) with a transition to marketing. This, in and of itself, is not a bad thing. As you know many MBA students are career switchers. However, in your essays, it will be important to talk about why you want to make this transition, as well as what salient skills that are critical in marketing that you would bring to the table.

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Need your expert advice on my profile.

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Age - 27
Work ex - 5 yrs 5 months by March 2012 in a single IT Company (One of the biggest)
GMAT - 650 AWA - 6.0
Associated with 2 NGOs
Bachelor in Engineering - 74.5%
HSC - 94.33%
ICSE - 92%
Awaiting TOEFL result.

Really appreciate your inputs on this.

Thanks.


Nidhi Manglik,

Thank you for submitting your profile. Since you leave out a significant amount of information (including career goals, leadership/extracurricular details, promotions and current responsibility at your firm, etc.), it's difficult for me to give you a specific evaluation for specific schools. Instead, I will mention a few salient points that stand out in your profile:

First, given that you are in the very competitive Indian IT applicant pool, it is imperative that you attempt to differentiate yourself in your applications. This can be done in any number of ways, including your post-MBA career goals, existing interests and passions, or otherwise. However, with what you presented, nothing "stands out" as unique. This is even more important given your below-average GMAT score. Do you enjoy extreme sports? Have you received patents? Did you run a marathon? Have you overcome significant obstacles in life? Honestly, in our experience, these individual items are things that admission committees remember about candidates, and can help to differentiate people from competitive applicant pools.

Second, when you mention that you are "associated with" 2 NGOs, it does not imply the actual level of involvement you have with these organizations. Too often, we see candiates with significant extracurricular involvement that do not give themselves enough credit. So, if you are indeed quite involved with these NGOs, I would encourage you to elaborate on that activity within your resume. Similarly, to the extent that you can tie this (or other) extracurricular or leadership experience to your post-MBA career goals, it will help you with your chances.

Finally, given your undergraduate 74% finish, indicate on your resume your graduation rank (as a percentile) compared to your peers. MBA programs know how to evaluate Indian universities, but the percentile helps to frame your academic strength even further.

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Hi Gil Levi

I am yet to take Gmat, probably i would give an attempt in 2 months.

My Profile in breif
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->CGPA 8.11/10 in my undergraduation
->High school percentage->88.6%
->Secondary school->86.5%
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In am not that good at Verbal so kindly suggest me a good Gmat score to get into a good university,waiting for your valuable feedback

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I am yet to take Gmat, probably i would give an attempt in 2 months.

My Profile in breif
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I have
->2 Years of work experience in a software industry
->CGPA 8.11/10 in my undergraduation
->High school percentage->88.6%
->Secondary school->86.5%
->In my college i was also part of many organizing committees

In am not that good at Verbal so kindly suggest me a good Gmat score to get into a good university,waiting for your valuable feedback

Regards
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All -

Generally speaking (this goes to all posters), please note that the more information you provide in a profile, the more specific I can be with respect to advising you as a candidate about your application strategy. If you are looking for a quick insight or general comments only, then you don't have to submit a full profile. But, I can give much more specific information and a much better estimate of your application chances with the following information:

Age, gender, undergraduate university (and/or reputation) and GPA (or percentile rank if outside the US), graduate degree (if applicable) and GPA, extracurricular activities in school and during full-time work, GMAT (including splits), length of work experience and extent of leadership roles, industry, reputation/size/prestige of your company, why MBA, post-MBA aspirations short and long-term, target schools or target school rank, interesting or impressive accomplishments/achievements, etc.

Srinath,

Thank you for submitting your profile. Since you leave out a fair amount of information (including career goals, leadership/extracurricular details, the reputation of your undergraduate institution, promotions and current responsibility at your firm, what you mean by a "good" school - is this HBS or is this a top 25 program?, GMAT score, etc.), it's difficult for me to give you a specific evaluation for specific schools. Instead, I will mention a few salient points that stand out in your profile:

In general, MBA programs will not seriously consider your high school grades / rank very much, unless you point to it as a strength area to make up for a low undergraduate GPA or GMAT score in one of your essays. What is much more important to programs is your career progression after the undergraduate experience and what leadership skills/traits you have shown during that time.

As mentioned previously in this thread, there is no such thing as a "safe" GMAT score, since the GMAT is but one of a number of metrics that MBA programs use. And, since I don't know what types of programs or program rank you are targeting, I can't really provide feedback for what those programs' incoming profiles look like with respect to GMAT score.

Regarding extracurricular activities, being part of organizing committees can mean very different things - it could mean you were one of 50 people organizing the event, or it could mean you were the Executive Director and put in 30+ hours per week in planning over the course of a significant period of time. So, those details make a difference, and you will want to make it clear what kinds of details you provided to the organization in your CV.

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Hi Brian,

Thanks for your valuable suggestions

Adding to My profile in Detail

Aiming Gmat Score:720

My Profile
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Age:23
Gender:Male
Undergraduate university: VIT university(Vellore institute of technology->one Among top 10 in India)
GPA:8.11/10
Extracurricular aactivities->
->Organizer of Riviera 2010(an international sports and cultural fest)
I was a part of Organizing committee in which i was heading Guest care committee where i managed almost 6000
participants and Guests providing them accommodation ,Food and other basic facilities it was a very huge task
as i was the only head of Guest care committee and it was a huge success and was appreciated with laurels.

->Part of Electroutsav 2007(a national electronics fest)
->I was handling Special guest care committee where i did a similar kind of work as above mentioned in the
Riviera 2010

-->At school level Participated in sports(Cricket,basketball Etc)

->Work Exp-->2 Years working as Websphere administrator at Infosys Technologies Limited(India) India's Largest
Software solutions organization

->Why MBA->career progression(To become an Efficient leader)

->Target schools-->ISB,Harvard ,stanford ,MIT sloan ,Kellogg,Hass,London business school,Wharton etc.

->Accomplishments->Please find above in extracurricular activities column

->Program target->International business

Hope this Information helps in assessing my profile

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Nationality : India
Sex/Age : Male, 32 yrs
Undergrad : 70% from a major state university, Major Civil Engineering
Grad : 3.7/4 , Major – Civil engineering with focus on Transportation Engineering and Planning, Merit based scholarship
GMAT – 690, Q-48, V-35. AWA 5.5
Certification - Certified E.I.T by state board of ohio, Will tale P.E next year.
Work Ex:
1.5 yrs Graduate Engineer Trainee in India (industry – Construction) : Supervised and manage a construction site for a the biggest highway construction project in India – Golden Quadrangle (similar to the interstate system in USA)

3 yrs – Associate Engineer (Transportation Planning) – A not for profit government organization, fully funded by tax dollars.Involved lot of modeling travel behaviour. Involved in developing mathematical models and managing two programs for the agency.

3 yrs Transportation Planning Engineer (Transportation Consulting) – Provide consulting services (travel demand modeling and transportation planning) to government agencies in USA. Manage projects from scope development to delivering the final product. Marketing services to clients. Develop new applciations and sell it to clients. Brought more then 150K in new revenue.

Work experience diversity: Have worked with people from various countries – South Korea, China, South Africa, Taiwan, Lebanon, Jordan, Romania, Bangladesh.

Post MBA goal: Management/Strategy consulting or Investment Banking (fixed assets such as airports and roads).
Extracurricular:
Undergrad: Vice captain college basketball team – won silver in all state tournament, Organizing committee of college annual function – responsible for raising funds.

Grad : On stage performances , Member of various student groups but did not run for any elections because I was working on two internships.
Social: Volunteer at Big Brother Big sisters – last 2 yrs, Member of big brother big sister recruitment advisory committee, Sponsor 50% of the fees two college kids in India. – last 3 yrs
Target Schools (in descending order): MIT, Tuck, LBS, Darden, Booth, Haas (not sure about this). If possible, please feel free to recommend other schools based on my skills set and goals.
Misc: Rated 3.5 by USTA National Tennis Rating Program
Recommendations: From current client PM, current boss, a former co-worker and Booth graduate

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Hi,

Short-term/long-term lurker to this forum. Thanks for this thread.

Recently scored 660 on GMAT (q:41, 57% rank; v: 40, 89% rank). Had six weeks of study time; could have used a bit more.

Personal details
Age: 31
Nationality: Australian
Experience: Banking / government investment management (large sized fund over several billions) of 7 years, 4 in Sydney, 3 in New York, at very respected institution. Consistent career progression.
Undergraduate: Bachelor of Economics (quant field, summa cum laude, 3.80 GPA, with a journal publication). Also have a BA (philosophy, politics) with a 2.5 GPA.
Extracurricular activities: part-time musician; organized over 200 shows over a 3 year period. Part of political-party club in undergraduate education.

As usual, looking at top 10 schools with finance/economics focus.

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NYU
MIT
Harvard
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Hi Brian,

Thanks for your valuable suggestions

Adding to My profile in Detail

Aiming Gmat Score:720

My Profile
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Age:23
Gender:Male
Undergraduate university: VIT university(Vellore institute of technology->one Among top 10 in India)
GPA:8.11/10
Extracurricular aactivities->
->Organizer of Riviera 2010(an international sports and cultural fest)
I was a part of Organizing committee in which i was heading Guest care committee where i managed almost 6000
participants and Guests providing them accommodation ,Food and other basic facilities it was a very huge task
as i was the only head of Guest care committee and it was a huge success and was appreciated with laurels.

->Part of Electroutsav 2007(a national electronics fest)
->I was handling Special guest care committee where i did a similar kind of work as above mentioned in the
Riviera 2010

-->At school level Participated in sports(Cricket,basketball Etc)

->Work Exp-->2 Years working as Websphere administrator at Infosys Technologies Limited(India) India's Largest
Software solutions organization

->Why MBA->career progression(To become an Efficient leader)

->Target schools-->ISB,Harvard ,stanford ,MIT sloan ,Kellogg,Hass,London business school,Wharton etc.

->Accomplishments->Please find above in extracurricular activities column

->Program target->International business

Hope this Information helps in assessing my profile

Thanks in advance

Regards
Srinath


Srinath,

Thank you for your profile submission. On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 720, our experience shows that you will be a stretch candidate at Harvard, Stanford, Wharton, Kellogg, and Sloan, between competitive and stretch (closer to stretch) at Haas, and between competitive and stretch (closer to competitive) at London Business School. With respect to ISB, because of the quick ascension of the school within the past 10 years (and associated variation in competitiveness), it is harder to specifically evaluate your profile.

The key challenge right now in your profile is your career goals. With your stated goal of 'career progression' and becoming a more efficient leader, in combination with your relatively young age, in our experience MBA programs will not look upon this favorably. Rather, with this information, they would instead look at your GMAT and GPA, and work experience at a well-known Indian company, and say you have potential but that you need to work for a few more years before you understand truly what you want to do longer-term. To combat this belief, in your essays you will need to be much more specific about your short and long-term career goals, including target industry (and target firms - name them), target functions (eg. marketing, operations), and target geographies. You mention that you are interested in international business, but as you can imagine even that is pretty broad. The schools need to see a lot of introspection and thought put into your application. To be honest, right now I would encourage you to actually not research specific schools as much as I would say learn about industries and jobs that would make sense for you and your background.

Additionally, since you have less than the average length of work experience for MBA programs, you will need to really focus on specifying accomplishments at work that you have achieved during your tenure. Typically, in our experience, it is possible to be accepted into a top MBA program with just 2 years of work experience (at application time, or 3 years at matriculation), but the ones who are generally more able to do this are not in corporate positions (eg. consulting, banking).

Regarding your extracurricular experience, it sounds as if you have developed some great leadership skills and organized some large events. This is tremendous, and you will want to leverage this experience significantly on your resume and in at least one of your essays. It's particuarly important to highlight, because with two years of work experience, you have had less of a chance at work to show your leadership capabilities than someone with 4-6 years of experience.

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Nationality : India
Sex/Age : Male, 32 yrs
Undergrad : 70% from a major state university, Major Civil Engineering
Grad : 3.7/4 , Major – Civil engineering with focus on Transportation Engineering and Planning, Merit based scholarship
GMAT – 690, Q-48, V-35. AWA 5.5
Certification - Certified E.I.T by state board of ohio, Will tale P.E next year.
Work Ex:
1.5 yrs Graduate Engineer Trainee in India (industry – Construction) : Supervised and manage a construction site for a the biggest highway construction project in India – Golden Quadrangle (similar to the interstate system in USA)

3 yrs – Associate Engineer (Transportation Planning) – A not for profit government organization, fully funded by tax dollars.Involved lot of modeling travel behaviour. Involved in developing mathematical models and managing two programs for the agency.

3 yrs Transportation Planning Engineer (Transportation Consulting) – Provide consulting services (travel demand modeling and transportation planning) to government agencies in USA. Manage projects from scope development to delivering the final product. Marketing services to clients. Develop new applciations and sell it to clients. Brought more then 150K in new revenue.

Work experience diversity: Have worked with people from various countries – South Korea, China, South Africa, Taiwan, Lebanon, Jordan, Romania, Bangladesh.

Post MBA goal: Management/Strategy consulting or Investment Banking (fixed assets such as airports and roads).
Extracurricular:
Undergrad: Vice captain college basketball team – won silver in all state tournament, Organizing committee of college annual function – responsible for raising funds.

Grad : On stage performances , Member of various student groups but did not run for any elections because I was working on two internships.
Social: Volunteer at Big Brother Big sisters – last 2 yrs, Member of big brother big sister recruitment advisory committee, Sponsor 50% of the fees two college kids in India. – last 3 yrs
Target Schools (in descending order): MIT, Tuck, LBS, Darden, Booth, Haas (not sure about this). If possible, please feel free to recommend other schools based on my skills set and goals.
Misc: Rated 3.5 by USTA National Tennis Rating Program
Recommendations: From current client PM, current boss, a former co-worker and Booth graduate

Thanks in advance.
Abhishek


Abhishek,

Thank you for your profile submission. On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations and a GMAT score of 690, our experience shows that you will be a stretch candidate at Sloan, Tuck, LBS, Booth, and Haas, and between competitive and stretch (closer to stretch) at Darden.

Right now, the key challenge within your profile is that you appear to have both a below average GMAT score (for top MBA programs) and a below average undergraduate GPA. In our experience, a 70% at an Indian institution would not typically place one within the top of their class. However, if this is not the case, and if you received honors and/or have a high graduation percentile (proportion you finished higher than), it is critical to point this out in your resume. In our experience, it is possible for applicants to overcome either a below average GMAT score or a low GPA, but it becomes more challenging to overcome both at the same time. To some extent, the fact that you have a master's degree will help, particuarly if the University you attended has a strong reputation and/or is well-known globally.

In terms of your GMAT split, like many engineers, your quantitative score is higher than your verbal score. As such, you will want to focus your essays more on your leadership skills, including stories of persuasion, presentation, communication, etc. The reason is that admission committees, in our experience, know that you have a solid analytical foundation, but they want to know how you communicate and lead in a professional setting.

With regard to your career goals, you would obviously have a strong link to your past with work within the transportation industry in either management consulting or investment banking. Keep in mind, though, that those firms are known to have a bit of a bias to younger MBA graduates. I have seen numerous older MBA candidates receive job offers with these firms, but you may find yourself pressed with follow-up questions in the MBA interview (or even at business school in interviews for those jobs) about if you're really convinced that you want to work in these fields. To this end, I would encourage you to research the various white papers that these firms write about the transportation sector and talk about this in your essays. Similarly, since you have some work experience in the US, you would bring a very interesting perspective on the relatively poor state of our transportation infrastructure and ideas on how we try to solve that in light of government budget/deficit issues. I'd encourage you to write about this or other similar "I bring a unique perspective" items in your essays. In our experience with candidates, one of the things that older applicants bring to the table is a really deep point of view on topics from their industry.

In terms of your extracurricular activities, it appears that you have done a variety of items involving some leadership. My reaction to what you presented is perhaps just to prioritize what activities were most important/most impressive, such that you can focus on them in your CV.

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