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At a certain hospital, 75% of the interns receive fewer than 6 hours of sleep and report feeling tired during their shifts. At the same time, 70% of the interns who receive 6 or more hours of sleep report no feelings of tiredness. If 80% of the interns receive fewer than 6 hours of sleep, what percent of the interns report no feelings of tiredness during their shifts?

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At a certain hospital, 75% of the interns receive fewer than 6 hours of sleep and report feeling tired during their shifts. At the same time, 70% of the interns who receive 6 or more hours of sleep report no feelings of tiredness. If 80% of the interns receive fewer than 6 hours of sleep, what percent of the interns report no feelings of tiredness during their shifts?

A. 6
B. 14
C. 19
D. 20
E. 81
Given:



< 6 hours sleep>= 6 hours sleepTOTAL
Tired75--
Not Tired-0.7*X?
TOTAL80X100


Interns who receive < than 6 hours sleep and Not Tired = 80 - 75 = 5;

TOTAL interns who receive >= 6 hours sleep = 100 - 80 = 20, so interns who receive >= 6 hours sleep and are Not Tired = 0.7 * 20 =14;

Interns who are Not Tired = 5 + 14 = 19.

Answer: C.
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Bunuel, this tabular method for solving Venn Diagram problems: is it explained anywhere with other examples?


It's not a Venn Diagram problem, it's an overlapping sets problem which can be solved with Venn Diagram as well as with Double Matrix Method (which is often better).

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At a certain hospital, 75% of the interns receive fewer than 6 hours of sleep and report feeling tired during their shifts. At the same time, 70% of the interns who receive 6 or more hours of sleep report no feelings of tiredness. If 80% of the interns receive fewer than 6 hours of sleep, what percent of the interns report no feelings of tiredness during their shifts?

a. 6
b. 14
c. 19
d. 20
e. 81

I need to understand the method to solve this problem. I tried the matrix method but failed. Is there any other method?

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You can just use logic or a Venn diagram, whatever works for you. I will give the logical solution below. Try to figure out the Venn diagram for it. Get back if it gets tricky.
Look at the given data line by line.

At a certain hospital, 75% of the interns receive fewer than 6 hours of sleep and report feeling tired during their shifts.

n(FEW and TIRED) = 75%

At the same time, 70% of the interns who receive 6 or more hours of sleep report no feelings of tiredness.
.... We will come back...

If 80% of the interns receive fewer than 6 hours of sleep,

n(FEW) = 80%
Therefore, n(Not FEW) = 20%
Also since n(FEW and TIRED) = 75%, n(FEW and Not TIRED) = 5%

Now we go back to the second sentence.
We know that n(Not FEW) = 20%. 70% of these are not tired.
So n(Not TIRED and Not FEW) = 70% of 20% = 14%

what percent of the interns report no feelings of tiredness during their shifts?

n(Not TIRED) = n(FEW and Not TIRED) + n(Not TIRED and Not FEW) = 5% + 14% = 19%

The notation is used only to explain it to you. You obviously don't need to do that. Just remember that when you get some data '80% people get less sleep,' it also implies that 20% get enough or more.
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5% of 80 =4 but why you guys took it as 5% am I mistaking something :?:

asterixmatrix wrote:
80% receive less than 6 hours of sleep
75% report feeling tired so 5% dont feel tired

20% receive 6 or more hours of sleep
out of this 70% report no tiredness so it become 14%

total 5%+14% = 19%...C




A very important thing in percentages is to note what is the % of i.e. when I say 5%, it is 5% of what?

5% of total interns or 5% of interns who receive less than 6 hrs of sleep or 5% of interns who report tiredness etc

The question says:
75% of the interns receive fewer than 6 hours of sleep and report feeling tired during their shifts (75% of total interns)
If 80% of the interns receive fewer than 6 hours of sleep (again, 80% of the total interns)

So out of 80% of total interns i.e. if total interns are 100, 80 of them receive fewer than 6 hrs of sleep. Out of 100, 75 receive fewer than 6 hrs of sleep and report tiredness. Therefore, 5 receive fewer than 6 hrs of sleep but report no tiredness.
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I am like SUPER CONFUSED right now :shock: .. I used the tabular method to solve the problem but it was just the opposite to the explanations (ie). Tired and not tired in the X axis, Receive < 6 hrs , >6 hours in the Y axis .. I know this would yield the same answer but im confused.. If someone could explain by drawing the grid the way i did.. id be really really grateful. And also, how do u choose which attribute to go where.. does that really matter??
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Re: Tired Interns [#permalink] New post 03 Feb 2011, 09:25
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At a certain hospital, 75% of the interns receive fewer than 6 hours of sleep and report feeling tired during their shifts. At the same time, 70% of the interns who receive 6 or more hours of sleep report no feelings of tiredness. If 80% of the interns receive fewer than 6 hours of sleep, what percent of the interns report no feelings of tiredness during their shifts?

A. 6
B. 14
C. 19
D. 20
E. 81
Given:



< 6 hours sleep>= 6 hours sleepTOTAL
Tired75--
Not Tired-0.7*X?
TOTAL80X100


Interns who receive < than 6 hours sleep and Not Tired = 80 - 75 = 5;

TOTAL interns who receive >= 6 hours sleep = 100 - 80 = 20, so interns who receive >= 6 hours sleep and are Not Tired = 0.7 * 20 =14;

Interns who are Not Tired = 5 + 14 = 19.

Answer: C.


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Re: At a certain hospital, 75% of the interns receive fewer than [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2012, 23:41
Let's assume total number of students are 1000.
80% of 1000 students gets <6 hrs of sleep = 800 (both tired and not tired)
75% of 1000 students gets <6 hrs and tired = 750
Therefore, students who get <6 hrs and not tired = 50..........(1)

20% of 1000 students gets >= 6 hrs of sleep = 200 (both tired and not tired)
70% of 200 students gets >=6 and not tired = 140.......(2)

(1) + (2) = 190 or 19% of total students. Hence C.
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option c.
we figure out at that 20% get more than 6 hours of sleep. then from there we know that 70% of those who get more than 6 hrs of sleep feel tired which is 14% + 5% = 19%
5% = 80-75
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5% of 80 =4 but why you guys took it as 5% am I mistaking something :?:

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80% receive less than 6 hours of sleep
75% report feeling tired so 5% dont feel tired

20% receive 6 or more hours of sleep
out of this 70% report no tiredness so it become 14%

total 5%+14% = 19%...C


Great Explanation - OA is 19%
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At a certain hospital, 75% of the interns receive fewer than 6 hours of sleep and report feeling tired during their shifts. At the same time, 70% of interns who receive 6 hours or more of sleep report no feeling of tiredness. If 80% of the interns receive fewer than 6 hrs sleep, what percentage of interns report no feelings of tiredness during their shift?

A. 6
B. 14
C. 19
D. 20
E. 81

Plz help... My solution says D. 20 while correct answer is C. 19 ..
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Re: At a certain hospital, 75% of the interns receive fewer than [#permalink] New post 16 Feb 2013, 11:00
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I am like SUPER CONFUSED right now :shock: .. I used the tabular method to solve the problem but it was just the opposite to the explanations (ie). Tired and not tired in the X axis, Receive < 6 hrs , >6 hours in the Y axis .. I know this would yield the same answer but im confused.. If someone could explain by drawing the grid the way i did.. id be really really grateful. And also, how do u choose which attribute to go where.. does that really matter??
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Re: At a certain hospital, 75% of the interns receive fewer than [#permalink] New post 03 Mar 2013, 20:26
-------------Fewer than 6 / 6 or more
--not tired-- .75x.
--tired------ .05x. /------.14x-------/---.19x----
Total-----------.80x-------/------.20x-------/---x-------

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Re: Sets problem - Tired [#permalink] New post 07 Apr 2013, 16:19
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I'm trying to understand why you had to calculate "70% of 20" but at the same time you left "5" untouched? Why would we take % of a %?
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I'm trying to understand why you had to calculate "70% of 20" but at the same time you left "5" untouched? Why would we take % of a %?


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Re: Unsettling Sets [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2013, 10:25
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I am havign difficulty understanding teh below problem:

At a certain hospital, 75% of the interns receive fewer than 6 hours of sleep and report feeling tired during
their shifts. At the same time, 70% of the interns who receive 6 or more hours of sleep report no feelings of
tiredness. If 80% of the interns receive fewer than 6 hours of sleep, what percent of the interns report no
feelings of tiredness during their shifts?

A) 6 B) 14 C) 19 D) 20 E) 81

What is the relation between the 75% and the 80% stated. Please explain with solution.

Answer: C


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There are two things that you need to understand:
One is set of intern which receive less than 6 hours of sleep and at the same time they feel tired. As per the question, the % of such interns is 75%.

Second set talks about intern who receive less than 6 hours of sleep, however it does not talk anything about whether this set of intern felt tired or not. As per the question, the % of such intern is 80%.

Since it is a overlapping set question, we can figure the % of intern who slept of less than 6 Hrs, but didn't felt tired. Hence the % comes out to be 80-75 = 5%.

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Re: At a certain hospital, 75% of the interns receive fewer than [#permalink] New post 25 Jul 2014, 03:48
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At a certain hospital, 75% of the interns receive fewer than 6 hours of sleep and report feeling tired during their shifts. At the same time, 70% of the interns who receive 6 or more hours of sleep report no feelings of tiredness. If 80% of the interns receive fewer than 6 hours of sleep, what percent of the interns report no feelings of tiredness during their shifts?

A. 6
B. 14
C. 19
D. 20
E. 81
Given:



< 6 hours sleep>= 6 hours sleepTOTAL
Tired75--
Not Tired-0.7*X?
TOTAL80X100


Interns who receive < than 6 hours sleep and Not Tired = 80 - 75 = 5;


TOTAL interns who receive >= 6 hours sleep = 100 - 80 = 20, so interns who receive >= 6 hours sleep and are Not Tired = 0.7 * 20 =14;

Interns who are Not Tired = 5 + 14 = 19.

Answer: C.


Guys,
As per the solution : interns with LT6 hours of sleep and tired = 75% of total interns(75 assuming a smart number)
However I calculated it as : 0.75x0.80N. i.e. 75% of 80% of interns with LT6 hours of sleep.(which is obviously wrong).
I am not going very far with such mistakes. :(
Next comes a sillier question: how to avoid such mistakes. :( :???
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