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At a Certain school, the ratio of the number of second graders to the number of fourth graders is 8 to 5, and the ratio of the number of first graders to the number of second graders is 3 to 4. if the ratio of the number of third graders to the number of fourth graders is 3 to 2 what is the ratio of the number of first graders to thenumber of third graders. (A) 16 to 15 (B) 9 to 5 (C) 5 to 16 (D) 5 to 4 (E) 4 to 5
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nickesha wrote: hi, could someone help me work this question?
At a Certain school, the ratio of the number of second graders to the number of fourth graders is 8 to 5, and the ratio of the number of first graders to the number of second graders is 3 to 4. if the ratio of the number of third graders to the number of fourth graders is 3 to 2 what is the ratio of the number of first graders to thenumber of third graders. Here's the method in general: If A:B = 2:3 & B:C = 3:4 then A:B = 2:4 .....easy? Now say B:D = 5:6 Then A:D = ?? The common one between them is B, so take such a value for B that the value is same for both A and D and gives integers. ie, B is 3x wrt to A, and 5y wrt to D, so take lcm of 3 and 5 so that you get 15x for A and 15y for D. make A:B = 2:3 or 10:15 make B:D = 5:6 or 15:18 so A:D = 10:18.... or 5:9 Ans to your question will be 12:15 or 4:5
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nickesha wrote: hi, could someone help me work this question?
At a Certain school, the ratio of the number of second graders to the number of fourth graders is 8 to 5, and the ratio of the number of first graders to the number of second graders is 3 to 4. if the ratio of the number of third graders to the number of fourth graders is 3 to 2 what is the ratio of the number of first graders to thenumber of third graders. is it 4:5? I tried finding equal number of 4th graders to compare 2nd and 3rd with and got 32:20,30:20 and i guess 2nd to 3rd is 32:30 - reduced to 16:15. To get 16 for 2nd graders i multiply 3:4 ratio by 4 to get 12:16 and for 1st and 2nd and then switch to get 12:15 = 4:5 It is probably wrong... need to review on ratios...
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Based on the same principle as what rashminet84 has explained
Its simple
Step 1 ) write down the question as it states a) 2nd grade:4th grade = 8:5 b) 1st grade:2nd grade = 3:4 c) 3rd grade:4th grade = 3:2 We need to find out 1st grade:3rd grade
Step 2) The only way to tie 1st grade and 3rd grade is by getting a common grade between the ratios 1st grade:4th grade and 4th grade:3rd grade
So lets find out what is 1st grade:4th grade
Reverse ratio a) and b) as 4th grade:2nd grade = 5:8 and 2nd grade:1st grade = 4:3
Now to find the ratio between 4th grade and 1st grade, the right hand side of the above two ratios should have the same value for the 2nd grade position as of now it is 8 and 4
So 4th grade:2nd grade::2nd grade:1st grade = 5:8::4*2:3*2 = 5:8::8:6 So we have 8 on both sides so canceling them we have 4th grade:1st grade = 5:6
Step 3) Similar to above step we need to get a common grade between the ratios 1st grade:4th grade and 4th grade and 3rd grade
So 4th grade:1st grade = 5:6 Reversing them we have 1st grade:4th grade = 6:5
and 3rd grade:4th grade = 3:2 Reversing them we have 4th grade:3rd grade = 2:3
Combining them we have
1st grade:4th grade::4th grade:3rd grade = 6:5::2:3
two get the common value for 4th grade multiple the first ratio by 2 and second ratio by 5
==> 1st grade:4th grade::4th grade:3rd grade = 6*2:5*2::2*5:3*5 ==> 1st grade:4th grade::4th grade:3rd grade = 12:10::10:15
Canceling the 10's out we have
1st grade:4th grade::4th grade:3rd grade = 12:15
Hope this helps, I tried to explain in real detail.
And yeah it looks long but I had to do it to give clear explanation. But it doesn't take more than 30-60 seconds if you know the concept
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An easier solution would be to choose a number
Info in q a) 2nd grade:4th grade = 8:5 b) 1st grade:2nd grade = 3:4 c) 3rd grade:4th grade = 3:2
Solution Lets choose 260 (2+4 graders) 2nd Graders:160 4th grader: 100
use the values from above in next equ ( 1st grade:2nd grade = 3:4) 2nd Grader: 160 1st grader = 160*3/4 = 120
Last eq 3rd grade:4th grade = 3:2 4nd grader: 100 3rd grader: =100*3/2 = 150
Question Ratio of 1:3 graders 120: 150 Answer : 4:5
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nickesha wrote: hi, could someone help me work this question?
At a Certain school, the ratio of the number of second graders to the number of fourth graders is 8 to 5, and the ratio of the number of first graders to the number of second graders is 3 to 4. if the ratio of the number of third graders to the number of fourth graders is 3 to 2 what is the ratio of the number of first graders to thenumber of third graders. N1,N2,N3,N4 be the number of students in 1st,2nd,3rd and 4th grade. we have N2/N4 = 8/5, N1/N2 = 3/4, N3/N4 = 3/2. We need to find N1/N3 N1/N3 = N1/N2 * N2/N4 * N4/N3 = 3/4 * 8/5 * 2/3 = 4/5
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21 Feb 2012, 19:12
I am not sure if I am allowed to post youtube videos on here, but here's a really quick and easy way to solve this problem. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6ifFGdosYYMy concern is if this approach has any drawbacks or limitations.
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Lstadt wrote: I am not sure if I am allowed to post youtube videos on here, but here's a really quick and easy way to solve this problem. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6ifFGdosYYMy concern is if this approach has any drawbacks or limitations. Before you use an approach, ensure you know why it works. This approach is exactly what has been done in posts above. Say, A:B = 3:4 = 6:8 (to make Bs equal in A:B and B:C) B:C = 8:5 You get A:B:C = 6:8:5 Instead, if you have A:B = 3:4 and B:C = 5:6, how do you make Bs equal? A:B = 3:4 = 15:20 B:C = 5:6 = 20:24 You multiply the B's to get the LCM. That's what is done in the video too. He just multiplies the Bs to get a common value (even though it is not the least common value, it doesn't matter to us since the ratio is unchanged) and represents the whole thing in a table format. The method is no different from what is done above.
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If a,b,c,d represent first, second, third, fourth grades, it follows from the question, that:
1. b/d = 8/5 2. a/b = 3/4 3. c/d = 3/2 <-- this implies that d/cwould be 2/3...let's hang on to that, we will need this later on.
We need to find, a/c.
On such problems, the first thing I do is to try and build what the question's asking for (in this case "a/c") by adding/subtracting/multiplying/dividing the given ratios.
So, a/c = a/b x b/d x d/c = 3/4 x 8/5 x 2/3 = 4/5
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Here is my method: The key here is to cross cancel.
1) B/D = 8/5 or 16/10 2) A/B = 3/4 3) C/D = 3/2 or 15/10 A/C = ?
1) & 2) can be multiplied to get A/D B/D X A/B = A/D 8/5 *3/4 = 6/5
2) Now we know A/D & C/D. Fine the LCM so that you have:
A/D = 6/5 or 12/10 C/D = 15/10 so A/C = 12/15 or 4/5
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