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At a party, 5 people are to be seated around a circular table; two seating arrangements are considered different only when the positions of the people are different relative to each other. What is the total number of different possible seating arrangements?

At a party, 5 people are to be seated around a circular table; two seating arrangements are considered different only when the positions of the people are different relative to each other. What is the total number of different possible seating arrangements? A 5 B 10 C 24 D 32 E 120

This is the case of circular arrangement. The number of arrangements of n distinct objects in a row is given by \(n!\). The number of arrangements of n distinct objects in a circle is given by \((n-1)!\).

From Gmat Club Math Book (combinatorics chapter): "The difference between placement in a row and that in a circle is following: if we shift all object by one position, we will get different arrangement in a row but the same relative arrangement in a circle. So, for the number of circular arrangements of n objects we have:

Bunuel, could you illustrate or provide more detal about this explanation? I don't understand it very well:

Bunuel wrote:

From Gmat Club Math Book (combinatorics chapter): "The difference between placement in a row and that in a circle is following: if we shift all object by one position, we will get different arrangement in a row but the same relative arrangement in a circle.

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Bunuel, could you illustrate or provide more detal about this explanation? I don't understand it very well:

Bunuel wrote:

From Gmat Club Math Book (combinatorics chapter): "The difference between placement in a row and that in a circle is following: if we shift all object by one position, we will get different arrangement in a row but the same relative arrangement in a circle.

At a party, 5 people are to be seated around a circular table; two seating arrangements are considered different only when the positions of the people are different relative to each other. What is the total number of different possible seating arrangements? A 5 B 10 C 24 D 32 E 120

This is the case of circular arrangement. The number of arrangements of n distinct objects in a row is given by \(n!\). The number of arrangements of n distinct objects in a circle is given by \((n-1)!\).

From Gmat Club Math Book (combinatorics chapter): "The difference between placement in a row and that in a circle is following: if we shift all object by one position, we will get different arrangement in a row but the same relative arrangement in a circle. So, for the number of circular arrangements of n objects we have:

I was confused by the wording of the question "only when the positions of the people are different relative to each other". I knew the formula (n-1)!, but I though that the correct answer would require some limited set of the combinations, defined by "only when the positions of the people are different relative to each other".

Then if the question did not mentioned this special condition of ""only when the positions of the people are different relative to each other", the answer would be 24x5=120. Right?

At a party, 5 people are to be seated around a circular table; two seating arrangements are considered different only when the positions of the people are different relative to each other. What is the total number of different possible seating arrangements? A 5 B 10 C 24 D 32 E 120

This is the case of circular arrangement. The number of arrangements of n distinct objects in a row is given by \(n!\). The number of arrangements of n distinct objects in a circle is given by \((n-1)!\).

From Gmat Club Math Book (combinatorics chapter): "The difference between placement in a row and that in a circle is following: if we shift all object by one position, we will get different arrangement in a row but the same relative arrangement in a circle. So, for the number of circular arrangements of n objects we have:

I was confused by the wording of the question "only when the positions of the people are different relative to each other". I knew the formula (n-1)!, but I though that the correct answer would require some limited set of the combinations, defined by "only when the positions of the people are different relative to each other".

Then if the question did not mentioned this special condition of ""only when the positions of the people are different relative to each other", the answer would be 24x5=120. Right?

"the positions of the people are different relative to each other" just means different arrangements (around a circular table). The number of arrangements of n distinct objects in a circle is \((n-1)!=4!=24\), (120 would be the answer if they were arranged in a row). _________________

Arranging 3 people (A, B, C) in a row: A B C, A C B, B A C. B C A, C A B, C B A 3! ways Why is arranging 3 people in a circle different?

....A ....O B......C If I am B, A is to my left, C is to my right. Look at this one now:

....C ....O A......B Here also, A is to my left and C is to my right. In a circle, these are considered a single arrangement because relative to each other, people are still sitting in the same position. This is the general rule in circular arrangement. You use the formula n!/n = (n - 1)! because every n arrangements are considered a single arrangement. e.g. if n = 3, the given 3 arrangements are the same: .....A ................ C ............... B .....O ................ O .............. O B........C ........ A ..... B ..... C........ A

In each of these, if I am B, I am sitting in the same position relative to others. A is to my left and C is to my right. and these three are the same: .....C ................ A ............... B .....O ................ O .............. O B........A ........ C ..... B ..... A........ C

Here, if I am B, C is to my left and A is to my right. Different from the first three. Hence no. of arrangements = 3!/3 = 2 only

Here, they have mentioned 'relative to people' only to make it clearer. In a circle, anyway only relative to people arrangements are considered. You might need to use n! in a circle if they mention that each seat in the circular arrangement is numbered and is hence different etc. Then there are just n distinct seats and n people. If nothing of the sorts is mentioned, you always use the (n - 1)! formula for circular arrangement. _________________

Ques :- At a dinner party , 5 people are to be seated around a circular table. Two seating arrangements are considered different only when the positions of the people are different relative to each other . What is the total number of different possible seating arrangements for the group?

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Please provide feedback to see if this makes sense:

I approached it thinking, if you have a circle, say, ABCDE there would be 5! ways of arranging, however, the question states that an arrangement is only different if the positions relative to each other are different.

So (1/5)th of the time each person in the circle would in the same position relative to another person. Therefore I did (1/5)x5! = 24

I was thinking "symmetry" as well - what are the experts thoughts on this? The formula though is definitely the easier way.

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Hi icetray,

Your thinking on this question is just fine. Conceptually, since we're dealing with a circular table with 5 chairs (and not a row of chairs), the table could have 5 different "starting chairs." As such the arrangements (going around the table):

ABCDE BCDEA CDEAB DEABC EABCD

Are all the same arrangement (just 'revolved' around the table). Since we're NOT allowed to count each of those (they're not different arrangements, they're just rotations of the same arrangement), we have to divide the permutation by 5.

5!/5 = 24

This type of 'set-up' is relatively rare on Test Day - there's a pretty good chance that you won't see it at all. If you do though, then your way of handling the "math" is just as viable as the formula that was given.

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