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Re: SC - Mexican agrarian revolution [#permalink] New post 17 Nov 2010, 15:30
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any help here?


For me B and C are clearly out since are not || (the "and" is a mark for ||).
D sounds very bad for me.

Can anybody explain why A is better than E?

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Re: SC - Mexican agrarian revolution [#permalink] New post 18 Nov 2010, 06:07
I picked E. :(
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Re: SC - Mexican agrarian revolution [#permalink] New post 18 Nov 2010, 11:50
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I picked E. :(


and your reasoning for picking it is?
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Re: SC - Mexican agrarian revolution [#permalink] New post 18 Nov 2010, 12:27
though E looks grammatically correct, but it changes the meaning of the original sentence.
Since we have to stick with the original meaning, it rules out E.
All the choices except A try to modify the land rather than talking about the ownership. So we are left with only A which atleast doesnot break any rules.
only A talks about the real subject i.e. COMMUNAL OWNERSHIP of land
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Re: SC - Mexican agrarian revolution [#permalink] New post 18 Nov 2010, 18:21
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Werewolf wrote:
I picked E. :(


and your reasoning for picking it is?


I thought 'that' modified 'communal ownership of land'. So E sounded grammatically correct and well constructed to me. From the discussions in this thread, it appears that it is only modifying 'land'.
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Re: SC - Mexican agrarian revolution [#permalink] New post 19 Nov 2010, 10:12
Pkit wrote:
though E looks grammatically correct, but it changes the meaning of the original sentence.
Since we have to stick with the original meaning, it rules out E.
All the choices except A try to modify the land rather than talking about the ownership. So we are left with only A which atleast doesnot break any rules.
only A talks about the real subject i.e. COMMUNAL OWNERSHIP of land


Hi,

I cannot agree with that.

"communal ownership of land that"
That doesnt necessary modifies its previous noun, because "of land" is already modifying "communal ownership", and since it is impossible for two modifiers ("of land" and "that") to touch the same noun ("ownership"), it is allowed that "that" can refer to ownership.

In other words, "communal ownership of land" can be treated as a unique noun.
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Re: SC - Mexican agrarian revolution [#permalink] New post 23 Dec 2010, 11:25
went with A after 3 mins of thought.. A seemed parallel.
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Re: SC - Mexican agrarian revolution [#permalink] New post 07 Jan 2011, 09:06
A .....A land cannot be a form of ownership .that's why B is wrong
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Re: SC - Mexican agrarian revolution [#permalink] New post 04 Oct 2011, 02:10
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Thank you so much for tht explanation.... :)
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Re: SC - Mexican agrarian revolution [#permalink] New post 05 Oct 2011, 16:50
I picked E but I can see why A could be the correct answer.
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Re: At the time of the Mexican agrarian revolution, the most [#permalink] New post 04 Nov 2011, 04:45
question is very hard.... IMO it is between A and E... both use past perfect tense

I am not sue why A is right and E is wrong....confused
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Re: SC - Mexican agrarian revolution [#permalink] New post 23 Jun 2012, 10:44
Hi,

I still don't understand why B is wrong ?


At the time of the Mexican agrarian revolution, the most radical faction, that of Zapata and his followers, proposed a return to communal ownership of land, to what had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by the Spaniards.

Option B says

At the time of the Mexican agrarian revolution, the most radical faction, that of Zapata and his followers, proposed a return to communal ownership of
land
,a form of ownership of the pre-Columbians and respected by the Spaniards

The portion in brown clearly refers to (the communal ownership of land ), a noun........so why is this wrong ?

Please explain..........
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Re: At the time of the Mexican agrarian revolution [#permalink] New post 07 Aug 2012, 06:53
Doesn't it make sense if we see the past perfect structure in the option A that say until "Zapata and his follower" occupied that land, the land was a pre-columbian form of ownership..

This eliminates option B and we are left with A & E.
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Re: SC - Mexican agrarian revolution [#permalink] New post 07 Aug 2012, 11:58
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Why is E wrong????

To my understanding, what "that" refers to depends on the verb follows it.

e.g. a group of birds that have ... "that" refers to birds
a group of birds that has ... "that refers to group.

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The way you are using "that" is different because you have "have" and "has". "Have" is for referring to plural (birds) and "has" is for referring to singular (a group). The inclusion of "that" is so that you can actually have the option of "have" otherwise "has" must be used to be grammatically correctly.
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Re: At the time of the Mexican agrarian revolution [#permalink] New post 30 Dec 2012, 09:11
A – Keep. Explains clearly with past perfect tense what happenend earlier. Keep
B – changes meaning. Ownership of pre – cloumbians is wrong. Eliminate
C – Lack of parallelism. Eliminate
D – modifies land and not necessarily “communal ownership of land” . Eliminate
E – same as D. Eliminate
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Re: SC - Mexican agrarian revolution [#permalink] New post 14 Mar 2013, 12:19
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It took me a very long time to understand the sentence...

I will try explaining the reason between A and E.

If we break the sentence in parts....

At the time of the ........, the most radical faction,...., proposed a return to communal ownership of....., to what had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by Spaniards

In E, the sentence reads

At the time of the Mexican agrarian revolution, the most radical faction,...., proposed a return to communal ownership of land, that had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by the Spaniards. ==> In this sentence the word "that" seems to be modifying "land" which is not the intent of the sentence.

The sentence says....

The proposal is to return to communal ownership to what had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership

153. At the time of the Mexican agrarian revolution, the most radical faction, that of Zapata and his followers, proposed a return to communal ownership of land, to what had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by the Spaniards.

(A) land, to what had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by the Spaniards
(B) land, a form of ownership of the pre-Columbians and respected by the Spaniards - awkward
(C) land, respected by the Spaniards and a pre-Columbian form of ownership - awkward
(D) land in which a pre-Columbian form of ownership was respected by the Spaniards
(E) land that had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by the Spaniards


I really don't understand how can something Return to X, To Y shouldn't it be Return to X from Y
The 1st statement doesn't make any sense to me, wondering about the origin of this question.
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Re: At the time of the Mexican agrarian revolution [#permalink] New post 02 Aug 2013, 06:00
Hi

I also choose answer E. "of land" is a "mission-critical"modifier. the modifier "that had been a pre-columbian form of ownership respected by the Spaniards" modifies the entire noun phrase " communal ownership of land". A is also ok.
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Re: At the time of the Mexican agrarian revolution [#permalink] New post 02 Aug 2013, 08:30
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At the time of the Mexican agrarian revolution, the most radical faction, that of Zapata and his followers, proposed a return to communal ownership of land, to what had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by the Spaniards.
(A) land, to what had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by the Spaniards
(B) land, a form of ownership of the pre-Columbians and respected by the Spaniards
(C) land, respected by the Spaniards and a pre-Columbian form of ownership
(D) land in which a pre-Columbian form of ownership was respected by the Spaniards
(E) land that had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by the Spaniards


Very difficult question. This clearly tests comparison. Comparison marker 'to' (I prefer chocolates to ice creams)

The original sentence means that zapta proposed a return to communal ownership of land to(=than to) what had been a pre columbian form of ownership respected by the spaniards.

The sentence correctly uses past perfect 'had been' to contrast the timelines and compares communal ownership with pre-columbian form of ownership.

BCDE all incorrectly suggest that the pre-columbian ownership was actually the communal ownership.
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At the time of the Mexican agrarian revolution, the most radical faction, that of Zapata and his followers, proposed a return to communal ownership of land, to what had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by the Spaniards.
(A) land, to what had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by the Spaniards
(B) land, a form of ownership of the pre-Columbians and respected by the Spaniards
(C) land, respected by the Spaniards and a pre-Columbian form of ownership
(D) land in which a pre-Columbian form of ownership was respected by the Spaniards
(E) land that had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by the Spaniards


ANALYZE THE QUESTION:

"Propose X to Y" is correct idiom in which X and Y should match.

The non-underlined part says: ....proposed a return to communal ownership of land......... Can you propose "a return" to "a communal ownership"? No, because "a return" and "communal ownership" do not match in meaning. Thus, "a return to communal ownership of land" is only a NOUN PHRASE.

The intended meaning is: the faction of Zapata and his followers proposed [a return to communal ownership of land], to what had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by the Spaniards.

Note: there is no problem with the comma before "to". A comma may be used to separate two elements in a sentence. (Please refer to Manhattan Gmat sentence correction - page 195).

ANALYZE EACH ANSWER:

(A) land, to what had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by the Spaniards
Correct. As stated above.

(B) land, a form of ownership of the pre-Columbians and respected by the Spaniards
Wrong.
- "a form of ownership of...." is the appositive modifier which modifies "communal ownership of land". Actually, you're comparing "a return" with "communal ownership of land". Does that make sense? No. As analyzed above, "a return" and "communal ownership of land" do not match each other.
- Change intended meaning: what Zapata and his followers want is "the change to what had been....", not "a communal ownership of land".

(C) land, respected by the Spaniards and a pre-Columbian form of ownership
Wrong.
- "respected by...." is Verb-ed modifier which modifies preceding noun phrase "communal ownership of land" ==> You repeat the same error in B. You're comparing "a return" with "communal ownership of land". Does not make sense.
- Change meaning: as in B.

(D) land in which a pre-Columbian form of ownership was respected by the Spaniards
Wrong.
- Same as B and C. "in which....." modifies "communal ownership of land" ==> You're comparing "a return" with "communal ownership of land". Does not make sense.
- Change meaning: as in B and C.

(E) land that had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by the Spaniards
Wrong.
- Because of preposition "of" (ownership of land), so that may modify "communal ownership of land". You repeat the same error in B, C, D. You're comparing "a return" with "communal ownership of land". Does not make sense.
- Change meaning: as in B, C, and D.

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Re: At the time of the Mexican agrarian revolution [#permalink] New post 12 Oct 2013, 16:41
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At the time of the Mexican agrarian revolution, the most radical faction, that of Zapata and his followers, proposed a return to communal ownership of land, to what had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by the Spaniards.
(A) land, to what had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by the Spaniards
(B) land, a form of ownership of the pre-Columbians and respected by the Spaniards
(C) land, respected by the Spaniards and a pre-Columbian form of ownership
(D) land in which a pre-Columbian form of ownership was respected by the Spaniards
(E) land that had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by the Spaniards


This question is definetely testing modifiers. All other answer choices except A seem to be modifying land, and those that are not seem very awkward such as (D).

Correct answer is hence (A)

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