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16 Jun 2008, 11:09
In E -> "Elephant IS descended" right usage?

Elephant has descended sounds better, what do you say?
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16 Jun 2008, 12:26
maulikmajithia wrote:
If "E" can be correct then whats the problem with "A" ?

"A. that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved"

It's not parallel:
This statement is of the form "suggests that X is ..., and Y is ..."
Here Y sounds like a true statement, as opposed to something the evidence suggests

The form "suggests that X is ... and that Y is ..." is clearer
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16 Jun 2008, 13:01
I am also for E.
A, B and D suffer pronoun error, no clear referant for Its.
Between C and E,
C says originally trunk evolving...I prefer originally trunk evolved so E.
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16 Jun 2008, 17:19
I never thought that E is OA, but indeed OA is E! So tricky GmatPrep!
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16 Jun 2008, 17:29
I think D should be correct as the 2nd ""that" is implied and not required for parallelism. Also, can some one throw some light on the following usages -
1. elephant has descended
2. elephant is descended

IMO in this case usage 1 is more appropriate than the 2.
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16 Jun 2008, 18:07
aviator83 wrote:
I think D should be correct as the 2nd ""that" is implied and not required for parallelism.

IMO in this case usage 1 is more appropriate than the 2.[/quote]

Try these:
John thinks that the earth is flat, and you are crazy.
John thinks that the earth is flat, and that you are crazy.

See a distinction?

aviator83 wrote:
Also, can some one throw some light on the following usages -
1. elephant has descended
2. elephant is descended

"Is descended" is not incorrect. I'm not all that familiar with the whole past participle / present participle nomenclature, but I'm trying to think of some examples; here's a potential one:
1. The enemy has defeated
2. The enemy is defeated
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16 Jun 2008, 18:37
[/quote]

"Is descended" is not incorrect. I'm not all that familiar with the whole past participle / present participle nomenclature, but I'm trying to think of some examples; here's a potential one:
1. The enemy has defeated
2. The enemy is defeated[/quote]

I guess the right examples should be :

1. the enemy has come
2. the enemy is came.

2nd is not right.
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16 Jun 2008, 19:41
sanjay_gmat wrote:

I guess the right examples should be :

1. the enemy has come
2. the enemy is came.

2nd is not right.

I understand you're trying to draw an analogy between "descended" and "come", but I've used that specific example to show that verbs of the form "is <verb ending in ed>" are acceptable. Ideally, the first sentence would be "The enemy has been defeated" (which is the same as "the enemy is defeated"), but I think you may have missed my point regarding the second one.
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16 Jun 2008, 20:13
incognito1 wrote:
sanjay_gmat wrote:

I guess the right examples should be :

1. the enemy has come
2. the enemy is came.

2nd is not right.

I understand you're trying to draw an analogy between "descended" and "come", but I've used that specific example to show that verbs of the form "is <verb ending in ed>" are acceptable. Ideally, the first sentence would be "The enemy has been defeated" (which is the same as "the enemy is defeated"), but I think you may have missed my point regarding the second one.

There is a subtle difference. In "enemy is defeated", you are assuming an object -- someone who defeated the enemy. Here it's not the case. "elephant is descended" and "enemy is came" are parallel and wrong.
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sanjay_gmat wrote:

I guess the right examples should be :

1. the enemy has come
2. the enemy is came.

2nd is not right.

I understand you're trying to draw an analogy between "descended" and "come", but I've used that specific example to show that verbs of the form "is <verb ending in ed>" are acceptable. Ideally, the first sentence would be "The enemy has been defeated" (which is the same as "the enemy is defeated"), but I think you may have missed my point regarding the second one.

There is a subtle difference. In "enemy is defeated", you are assuming an object -- someone who defeated the enemy. Here it's not the case. "elephant is descended" and "enemy is came" are parallel and wrong.

To use your example, and this may be a little surprising, "the enemy is arrived" (semantically the same as "the enemy is come") is actually grammatically correct. This verbiage is derived from "Old English" and is rarely used in colloquial English. Search for "is descended" on google and you'll see what I mean.
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17 Jun 2008, 08:02
incognito1 wrote:
aviator83 wrote:
I think D should be correct as the 2nd ""that" is implied and not required for parallelism.

IMO in this case usage 1 is more appropriate than the 2.

Try these:
John thinks that the earth is flat, and you are crazy.
John thinks that the earth is flat, and that you are crazy.

See a distinction?

aviator83 wrote:
Also, can some one throw some light on the following usages -
1. elephant has descended
2. elephant is descended

"Is descended" is not incorrect. I'm not all that familiar with the whole past participle / present participle nomenclature, but I'm trying to think of some examples; here's a potential one:
1. The enemy has defeated
2. The enemy is defeated[/quote]

thanks incognito and sanjay..for explaining through examples..it sure helps!
1. I don't understand the reason why a comma is required before the "and" conjunction in this case.
2. As I understand the subtle difference in meaning that you are trying point out is explained below - Pls. correct me if iam wrong -
in the first usage the clause following "and" (i.e.you are crazy)seems unrelated to the main clause that is "John thinks that the earth is flat".
whereas,in the second usage the repetition of "that" establishes a relation between the 2 clauses and therefore makes the sentence clear.

1. John thinks that the earth is flat, and you are crazy.
2. John thinks that the earth is flat, and that you are crazy.

Also, the usage example provided by sanjay seems more appropriate because it replicates the scenario in the sentence.
Incognito, buddy could you explain it a little more in clearer terms as i still feel the usage- "the elephant has descended" is better than "elephant is descended".
thanks. +1 to both of you.
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07 Oct 2009, 20:44
Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.
A. that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
B. that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
C. suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
D. to suggest that the elephant has descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved
E. to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved
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07 Oct 2009, 23:56
IMO C.

Sorry dunno how to explain SCs .
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08 Oct 2009, 02:30
OA is E. But don't know how the usage -- the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal -- is correct??
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08 Oct 2009, 03:07
yeah that sounds pretty awkward... maybe it is one of those exceptions which we are forgetting. Lets wait for some1 to explain this. for me its C or D
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08 Oct 2009, 04:08
Agreed that "is descended" looks odd, but only E has a clear referent for 'its'..i.e. elephant and not the animal.
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08 Oct 2009, 05:18
abhi758 wrote:
OA is E. But don't know how the usage -- the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal -- is correct??

Idiom
be descended from
be descendant of
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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.
A. that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
B. that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
C. suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
D. to suggest that the elephant has descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved
E. to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved

My expl,

1. Eliminate B,C preffered envolved to envolving -> A,D,E
2. A: wordy "that suggests that" and odd of the 3 -> D,E
3. suggests that ... and that ->E
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08 Oct 2009, 12:57
It's E because of parallel construction.

that the elephant....... and that its...........
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08 Oct 2009, 13:09
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