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Re: SC - Australian embryologists [Merged] [#permalink]
30 Oct 2009, 21:21
Although we certainly don't hear it often, "is descended" is correct. For example: We are descended from the chimpanzee. He is a direct descendant of Charles the Great. But I do agree that the phrase looks odd on paper.
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Amardeep Sharma wrote: Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.
(a).. (b) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving (c)suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving (d) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolving (e) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved
Amar It is an example of how tricky can gmat questions be. Most of the people are intimidited by A but the problem is with "its", which refers to elephant's. If the setence were not properly paralled without "that x ......... and that y ......", "its" is never be a clear referant for "elephant". That construction is only in E, which is tghe best and OA.
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Re: SC - Australian embryologists [Merged] [#permalink]
27 Aug 2010, 12:14
I went with A because I thought that evidence that was better than evidence to suggest, which sounds very bad to me. It seems as if the goal of the evidence were to suggest. In my opinion, is not a goal but a consequence, and that is why I prefer evidence that suggest. Could anybody comment on that?
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Hey All, I got asked to take this one on by private message, so here I am! The answer is certainly E. Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel. (A) that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved PROBLEM: There's no reason to use a comma with a list of two things. (B) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving PROBLEM: You have to say "that" after the verb "to suggest". (C) suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving PROBLEM: The use of the past perfect tense here is incorrect, because the action isn't complete. I know it may seem like the descent has ended, but in the present, the elephant is STILL descended from an aquatic animal. That's an eternal truth. Also, using the prepositional phrase "with its trunk originally evolving" ends up modifying "an aquatic animal", when we really want to be referring to the elephant. (D) to suggest that the elephant has descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved PROBLEM: We don't want to change tense in parallel unless there's a significant reason (" yesterday I went to the store but today I will stay at home"). No good reason from present perfect "has descended" to past "evolved". (E) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved ANSWER: "descended" and "evolved" are parallel, and everything else is clear. Hope that helps! -t
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Re: SC - Australian embryologists [Merged] [#permalink]
29 Aug 2010, 19:37
Tommy that was funny! Now I do have a question... IsA wrong just because of the comma? I mean the mnhtn sc book states at one place that you will never have to rule out an option just because of a comma. pleaseexplain.. Posted from my mobile device
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Re: SC - Australian embryologists [Merged] [#permalink]
31 Aug 2010, 13:42
TommyWallach wrote: Hey All,
(E) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved ANSWER: "descended" and "evolved" are parallel, and everything else is clear.
Hope that helps!
-t Tommy Isnt it appropriate to say "elephant has descended" instead of "elephant is descended"
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Re: SC - Australian embryologists [Merged] [#permalink]
31 Aug 2010, 15:04
IMO A.....suggest needs "that"
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Hey Mainhoon, Well, "evidence to suggest" is a better choice than "evidence that suggests," but I'd say the comma is the major issue. As for Munda's question, no it wouldn't be quite as correct to say "the elephant has descended," this implies the action of descending, as in "The elephant has descended the stairs." But this meaning of "descended" is different. To "be descended" from something is a constant (like being "green" or "American"), and thus ought to be in the present tense, as in "Men are descended from apes." You wouldn't say "men have descended from apes," because it isn't a tense action, but a state of being. Hope that makes sense! -t
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Re: SC - Australian embryologists [Merged] [#permalink]
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I have one doubt in option A. Do you think its refer to both elephant and aquatic animal? As per Mgmat Sc advance section , 'its' should not be ambiguous as it is the subject of both the clauses.
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Go by this maxim, and the answer will pop up. A sentence, which has two arms, if uses - that - to introduce one arm, then it must use - that -to introduce the other arm also to balance the sentence. As per this norm, only E will fit in
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Re: Australian...elephant [#permalink]
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Messages in the thread suggest that there is disagreement among A , D & E
"A" is wrong because that there is parallelism error. "Descended" is not parallel to "evolving"
"D" is wrong because ' had descended' is a wrong phrase in this context. 'Descended', as a verb, is used when someone or something is coming down from a high position. ie he descended from the hill. Shadow descended on the bench in the park.
when 'descended' is is used as noun, it carry a meaning of 'Origin' ie I am a descended of homo sapiens. Bird is a descened of reptiles. " Descended of" and Descended from " carries the same meaning
E is the only option left so lets take it as correct answer....
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Re: Australian...elephant [#permalink]
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The correct SC is: Australian embryologists have found evidence t hat suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolving as a kind of snorkel. (A) that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolving (B) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving (C) suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolved (D) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved (E) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved MY EXPLANATION: a. evolving is wrong-because the elephant has already evolved. b. same as A, and has suggested rather to suggest. c. had is wrong here because The elephant is still descending d. same as C E. Correct.
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Re: Australian...elephant [#permalink]
22 Jun 2011, 07:20
E has a perfect parallel structure.
It's useful sometimes to treat these sentences like mathematical equations.
Infinitive (to suggest) + { [ that + descended (past participle) + prepositional phrase] + [ that + evolved (past participle) + prepositional phrase] }
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