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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(a)that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
(b) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
(c)suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
(d) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolving
(e) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved

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Hey All,

I got asked to take this one on by private message, so here I am! The answer is certainly E.

Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(A) that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
PROBLEM: There's no reason to use a comma with a list of two things.

(B) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
PROBLEM: You have to say "that" after the verb "to suggest".

(C) suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
PROBLEM: The use of the past perfect tense here is incorrect, because the action isn't complete. I know it may seem like the descent has ended, but in the present, the elephant is STILL descended from an aquatic animal. That's an eternal truth. Also, using the prepositional phrase "with its trunk originally evolving" ends up modifying "an aquatic animal", when we really want to be referring to the elephant.

(D) to suggest that the elephant has descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved
PROBLEM: We don't want to change tense in parallel unless there's a significant reason ("yesterday I went to the store but today I will stay at home"). No good reason from present perfect "has descended" to past "evolved".

(E) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved
ANSWER: "descended" and "evolved" are parallel, and everything else is clear.

Hope that helps!

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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(A) that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
(B) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
(C) suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
(D) to suggest that the elephant has descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved
(E) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved


It's a tough one between C and D.

Since elephant is a living species, I believe we need to use "has" not "had". Also I believe that the "evidence to suggest" is not the right usage. It should either be "evidence that suggests" or "evidence suggesting".

C should be it.


Guys, could you not write just your answer? It doesn't help much in the discussion if one doesn't provide some sort of an explanation for choosing a particular answer. Let's make this discussion worthwhile to everyone.
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I guess the right examples should be :

1. the enemy has come
2. the enemy is came.

2nd is not right.


I understand you're trying to draw an analogy between "descended" and "come", but I've used that specific example to show that verbs of the form "is <verb ending in ed>" are acceptable. Ideally, the first sentence would be "The enemy has been defeated" (which is the same as "the enemy is defeated"), but I think you may have missed my point regarding the second one.


There is a subtle difference. In "enemy is defeated", you are assuming an object -- someone who defeated the enemy. Here it's not the case. "elephant is descended" and "enemy is came" are parallel and wrong.


To use your example, and this may be a little surprising, "the enemy is arrived" (semantically the same as "the enemy is come") is actually grammatically correct. This verbiage is derived from "Old English" and is rarely used in colloquial English. Search for "is descended" on google and you'll see what I mean.
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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.
A. that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
B. that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
C. suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
D. to suggest that the elephant has descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved
E. to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved


My expl,

1. Eliminate B,C preffered envolved to envolving -> A,D,E
2. A: wordy "that suggests that" and odd of the 3 -> D,E
3. suggests that ... and that ->E
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Hey Mainhoon,

Well, "evidence to suggest" is a better choice than "evidence that suggests," but I'd say the comma is the major issue.

As for Munda's question, no it wouldn't be quite as correct to say "the elephant has descended," this implies the action of descending, as in "The elephant has descended the stairs." But this meaning of "descended" is different. To "be descended" from something is a constant (like being "green" or "American"), and thus ought to be in the present tense, as in "Men are descended from apes." You wouldn't say "men have descended from apes," because it isn't a tense action, but a state of being.

Hope that makes sense!

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Re: Australian...elephant [#permalink] New post 26 Oct 2010, 10:25
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Go by this maxim, and the answer will pop up. A sentence, which has two arms, if uses - that - to introduce one arm, then it must use - that -to introduce the other arm also to balance the sentence. As per this norm, only E will fit in
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the "is descended" usage puts me in trouble.Please let me know is that really necessary?Why not just "descended"?


Before I answer your question, I have a request. Your other posts, don't have all the options listed. And the topic name should contain the question (the initial words), esle the mods will lock your posts. Please do this at the earliest.

Coming back to your question,
descended as a verb has two meanings (in fact many) - 1. to get down or come down. 2. come from (a lineage or some ancestor)

She descended the bus ==> She got down from the bus.
She was descended from a noble family ==> She comes from a noble family.

By just using the word, descended (without the helping verb 'is') the meaning of the sentence is changed. Hope your doubt is clarified.
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What would u say when u want to mean ancestry r lineage?
He/she is a descendant of XYZ. Is descendant is nothing but that. On the contrary when u say he/she descended from XYZ it would mean going down. Also if u do Poe.
A. Evidence that suggest that is a bit redundant plus comma and sets an independent clause here which is not appropriate here.
B. Evolving is not correct , u have to understand that the embryologists suggested two things and each should have a. Verb.
C. Subject verb issue
D.has descended again would mean gone down. Plus this is a reporting structure you need Another that after and to maintain parallelism.
E. Correct. Proper parallelism maintained subject verb issue resolved.

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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.
A. that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
B. that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
C. suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
D. to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved
E. to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved

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a) incorrect- parallel clauses start with the same word."that" is missing in the 2nd clause.
can u please explain me how" is descended" correct ? why do we need "is" ??
and why" descended from an aquatic animal " is incorrect. dont understand why if we remove "is" we are only left with a modifier.(as per one of the earlier explanation) descended from an aquatic animal is a modifier. so is descended here not a verb ??
eg.humans evolved from apes. here evolved is a verb.
please explain.

b)incorrect- has-incorrect verb. simnple past tense should be used. only a comma between the two clauses distorts the meaning. it seems that aquatic animal's trunk evoved.


c)incorrect- with after aquatic animals modifies the animals. distorts meaning.
had is incorrect verb.
(according to one of the explanations to this question "had descended" changes the intended meaning ) the meaning of descend here becomes"to pass from higher to lower") please explain.

d) same errors. has-incorrect verb. and no "that"

e)correct.


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Hi Sid,

Thanks for posting your doubt here. :-)

So let's take your doubts in the order you have posted them.

Choice A: Yes, your analysis is correct that we need another "that" to maintain parallelism in the sentence.

Now, use of "is descended" is correct because it denotes that the elephants have evolved from a water animal. We need "is" because this event is a universal fact. This fact holds true for all time in the past, present, and future. When want to convey that someone has come from certain ancestor or ancestry, we use "is/was descended" depending on the context of the usage.

In this choice, "is descended" together is a verb. But in Choice B, "descended" appears to be a modifier because "that" is missing after "has suggested". The way Choice B is worded, it seems to convey that the evidence has suggested the elephant itself and not something about elephant. In such a structure, "descended" seems to be a modifier rather than a verb. Even if used as a verb, "descended" would not be correct as it would give a complete different meaning.

Choice B: You have said that "only a comma between the two clauses distorts the meaning". What lies after comma is not clause as it does not have a verb. This choice is incorrect for the usage of "has suggested the elephant". Also now the choice does not say that the evidence suggests two things.

Choice C: As I have already mentioned, when we want to denote that something has come from an ancestor or ancestry, we use "is/was descended". Any other verb form changes the meaning of the word. The verb "has descended" means it has literally come down from an elevated point.

Choice D: Your analysis of this choice is correct.

Choice E: This choice rectifies all the errors and is the correct one.

Hope this helps. :-)
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 [#permalink] New post 26 Nov 2007, 07:33
Amar, could you please provide option (A) or underline the SC? Thanks.
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Re: Australian...elephant [#permalink] New post 26 Nov 2007, 08:07
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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(a)..
(b) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
'suggested that the elephant' is correct. 'suggested the elephant' is wrong.

(c)suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
'had' is used to describe a past action that took place before another past action. No such need here.

(d) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolving
same as C

(e) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved
I believe that ' evidence that suggests' is better than 'evidence to suggest'

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I'm assuming the above is underlined.

I pick A as the answer.
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I think the original is fine.

(b) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
"has suggested" is an inappropriate tense

(c)suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
"had descended" is an inappropriate tense

(d) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolving
"evolving" is not parallel to "had descended from"

(e) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved
hmm - the only difference with A is "that suggests" vs "to suggest". I think that "that suggests" is better but I'm not quite sure why.
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Re: Australian...elephant [#permalink] New post 26 Nov 2007, 16:15
GK_Gmat wrote:
Amardeep Sharma wrote:
Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(a)..
(b) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
'suggested that the elephant' is correct. 'suggested the elephant' is wrong.

(c)suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
'had' is used to describe a past action that took place before another past action. No such need here.

(d) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolving
same as C

(e) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved
I believe that ' evidence that suggests' is better than 'evidence to suggest'

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I'm assuming the above is underlined.

I pick A as the answer.


Sorry for not underlining... it is as suggested by GK_GMAT, however, OA is E... even I chose A.

Can someone explain why OA is E

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Re: Australian...elephant [#permalink] New post 26 Nov 2007, 16:24
Amardeep Sharma wrote:
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Amardeep Sharma wrote:
Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(a)..
(b) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
'suggested that the elephant' is correct. 'suggested the elephant' is wrong.

(c)suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
'had' is used to describe a past action that took place before another past action. No such need here.

(d) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolving
same as C

(e) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved
I believe that ' evidence that suggests' is better than 'evidence to suggest'

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I'm assuming the above is underlined.

I pick A as the answer.


Sorry for not underlining... it is as suggested by GK_GMAT, however, OA is E... even I chose A.

Can someone explain why OA is E

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yah E is the most logical and paralleded.
present tense is used to mean "elephant was and is decendent from x.
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Re: Australian...elephant [#permalink] New post 27 Nov 2007, 04:02
Amardeep Sharma wrote:
Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(a)..
(b) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
(c)suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
(d) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolving
(e) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved

Amar


Went for A.

dont like the word "evolving" in option B, C and D.
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Re: Australian...elephant [#permalink] New post 27 Nov 2007, 05:16
Amardeep Sharma wrote:
Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(a)..
(b) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
(c)suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
(d) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolving
(e) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved
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(A) and its trunk -Dangling modifier. Not sure if it modifies aquatic animal or elephant
(B) has suggested the elephant - Bad Phrasing
(C) had descened ....evolving - tense mis-match
(D) it carries the same error as 'C' & 'A'

(E) Emphasizes a fact , a hypothesis therefore usage of 'is' allowed...
descended ....evolved is parallel
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SC - Australian embryologists [Merged] [#permalink] New post 19 Dec 2007, 10:02
Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(a)..
(b) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
(c)suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
(d) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolving
(e) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved
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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(a)..
(b) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
(c)suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
(d) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolving
(e) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved

A. wrong, creates two sentences but the second sentence "its trunk originally..." has no link to the "evidence that suggests".
B. run on sentence...needs
C. wrong, tense should be 'has descended' or 'descended'
D. wrong, same reason as C
E. correct
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Re: SC - Australian embryologists [#permalink] New post 19 Dec 2007, 11:08
[quote="gregspirited"]Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(a)..
(b) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
(c)suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
(d) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolving
(e) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved

The answer could be E. The evidence is used by scientists to suggest that...and that...Its' parallel
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