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Before M.S. Dhoni won the world cup for India, he was fairly poor.

A) won the world cup for India, he was fairly poor.
B) had won the world cup for India, he was fairly poor.
C) won the world cup for India, he had been fairly poor.
D) won the world cup for India, he were a poor to a fair extent.
E) wins the world cup for India, he had been fairly poor.

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Before M.S. Dhoni won the world cup for India, he was fairly poor.

A) won the world cup for India, he was fairly poor.
B) had won the world cup for India, he was fairly poor.
C) won the world cup for India, he had been fairly poor.
D) won the world cup for India, he were a poor to a fair extent.
E) wins the world cup for India, he had been fairly poor.

Its C
the rule is 'We use the Past Perfect Continuous to show that something started in the past and continued up until another time in the past'

Dhoni was poor till he won the world cup .. It says all the while from his childhood... till he won the WC , he was fairly poor and things changed after WC. Both these events are in the past but one before the other.One he being fairly poor continued till he won the WC.
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04 Jul 2011, 21:19
The simple past + past perfect rule (where simple past indicates an action which happened in a moment in the past, and past perfect indicates another action which was completed even before this later moment in the past) can be applied here.
dhoni won the world cup : simple past, the action happened in past
had been poor: past perfect: the action of being fairly poor was even befoe the past action of winning the world cup. hence past perfect is correct form being used here.
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05 Jul 2011, 00:51
All said about rules, my query is- presense of before itself gives the idea of time sequence then why we need to add had to show the time sequence ?

if I remeber it correctly something on similar lines is mentioned on MGMAT SC book as well...
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05 Jul 2011, 01:58
Yes, even i read about the same saying that we need not use perfect tenses when BEFORE or AFTER are mentioned to explain the sequence of events..

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05 Jul 2011, 02:27
The rule says that when the words before and after are used we don't need to use past perfect tense to clarify the sequence of events. The answer for this question seems to not adhere to this rule??? Are there any exceptions to this rule? Someone plz explain...
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Re: Use of perfect tense with before/after [#permalink]

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05 Jul 2011, 02:48
yogesh1984 wrote:
Before M.S. Dhoni won the world cup for India, he was fairly poor.

A) won the world cup for India, he was fairly poor.
B) had won the world cup for India, he was fairly poor.
C) won the world cup for India, he had been fairly poor.
D) won the world cup for India, he were a poor to a fair extent.
E) wins the world cup for India, he had been fairly poor.

sudhir18n's explanation makes perfect sense.

A) Before M.S. Dhoni won the world cup for India, he was fairly poor.
This is not grammatically incorrect, but perhaps doesn't convey what it intends to. This sentence tells us that Dhoni was poor, then after few years(say 20 years) he won the world cup and became rich. So, we don't know the clear picture of the 20 years between him being poor AND him winning the cup. What was he during these 20 years-- rich, poor.

C) clears the doubt.
Dhoni was constantly poor until he won the World Cup. This continuous event prior to his win is correctly described by "had been". "was" doesn't describe the progressive too well.

Not to confuse you, but in reality, Dhoni actually got richer much before winning the WC, thus raising a doubt which statement to choose. Also, "A" and "C" both seem correct for someone who doesn't know who is Dhoni. Whether he was poor until the win or poor long before winning the WC.

Not GMAT like.
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05 Jul 2011, 03:02
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Not to confuse you, but in reality, Dhoni actually got richer much before winning the WC, thus raising a doubt which statement to choose. Also, "A" and "C" both seem correct for someone who doesn't know who is Dhoni. Whether he was poor until the win or poor long before winning the WC.

Not GMAT like.

here I do not think anyone is supposed to know him personally or for the matter does GMAC requires so ? I doubt! What I understand with this original sentence is- it's trying to say 2 time period one before WC win and other one after the win (which is clear with the original one...no?). on the second thought in C- we are assuming he has been constantly poor- not given unless you know factually but does not it distorts the original sentence ?

Fluke I was referring to T20 WC win by the way!
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05 Jul 2011, 03:38
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fluke wrote:
Not to confuse you, but in reality, Dhoni actually got richer much before winning the WC, thus raising a doubt which statement to choose. Also, "A" and "C" both seem correct for someone who doesn't know who is Dhoni. Whether he was poor until the win or poor long before winning the WC.

Not GMAT like.

here I do not think anyone is supposed to know him personally or for the matter does GMAC requires so ? I doubt! What I understand with this original sentence is- it's trying to say 2 time period one before WC win and other one after the win (which is clear with the original one...no?). on the second thought in C- we are assuming he has been constantly poor- not given unless you know factually but does not it distorts the original sentence ?

Fluke I was referring to T20 WC win by the way!

Yeah, even I meant T20 WC. But, that's beyond the point. I'd still consider this sentence ambiguous.

Firstly, we can't completely deduce the intent from the underlined portion of the sentence because the underlined portion can change tenses and tone. Secondly, "C" gives an alternate scenario that's perfectly possible.

So far I know which tense to use in which scenario, I'm not going to dig any further into what author intended when she created this question.
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05 Jul 2011, 04:18
Fair enough Fluke
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27 Sep 2016, 13:07
Hi egmat,
Please explain what is wrong with A . As before clearly shows sequence .
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