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Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.

A. scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly
B. scientists had learned about making a synthetic growth hormone, they had to remove it painstakingly
C. scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone, it had to be painstakingly removed
D. learning how to make a synthetic growth hormone, scientists had to remove it painstakingly
E. Learning how to synthesize the growth hormone, it have to be painstakingly removed by scientists

doesn't OA,change the meaning of the sentence? Please help
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Re: Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth [#permalink] New post 31 Oct 2013, 11:39
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Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.
A. scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly
B. scientists had learned about making a synthetic growth hormone, they had to remove it painstakingly
C. scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone, it had to be painstakingly removed
D. learning how to make a synthetic growth hormone, scientists had to remove it painstakingly
E. Learning how to synthesize the growth hormone, it have to be painstakingly removed by scientists

doesen't OA,change the meaning of the sentence? Please help



Isnt C a "Run ON"?

scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone - an independent statement
it had to be painstakingly removed - another independent statement

both statements are not connected with conjunctions or coordinating conjunctions etc... PLease help.


Hi maadhu,
C isn't a run on you forgot the subordinating conjunction BEFORE
Before scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone(subordinate/dependent clause), it had to be painstakingly removed in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.(main/independent clause)


So the structure is {sub.conjunction +dependent clause, independent clause)

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Re: synthetic growth hormone [#permalink] New post 05 Nov 2011, 21:20
It comes under conciseness. to make a synthetic... can be expressed more stlyistically by making it synthesize
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Re: synthetic growth hormone [#permalink] New post 05 Nov 2011, 21:42
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It comes under conciseness. to make a synthetic... can be expressed more stlyistically by making it synthesize


but, there is a word meaning difference betwen synthetic (which means artificial, or not natural) and synthesize (which means to form a whole). just this difference mademe choose B. else C obviously is more concise.
i dont think we can subordinate meaning to concision.

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Re: synthetic growth hormone [#permalink] New post 07 Nov 2011, 00:21
definitely C. This has been discussed many times in other topics.
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Re: synthetic growth hormone [#permalink] New post 07 Nov 2011, 08:52
C is correct.
This option,infact is most clear and concise.
It clearly refers to the harmone.
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Re: synthetic growth hormone [#permalink] New post 14 Nov 2011, 13:58
C has to be wrong. It changes the meaning, "make a synthetic growth hormone" does not mean "synthesize the growth harmone"

I know the OA is C but I think its WRONG! AGREE???????

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Re: synthetic growth hormone [#permalink] New post 14 Nov 2011, 18:17
Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.
A. scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly => lack of main verb and object in 2nd Noun phrase
B. scientists had learned about making a synthetic growth hormone, they had to remove it painstakingly (in small amount...) => make nonsense
C. scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone, it had to be painstakingly removed => More logically with the remain non-underline. Correct
D. learning how to make a synthetic growth hormone, scientists had to remove it painstakingly => Same reason as B
E. Learning how to synthesize the growth hormone, it have to be painstakingly removed by scientists => the interfere of by scientists make the remain illogical, moreover, the first phrase should modify scientists right after it
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Re: synthetic growth hormone [#permalink] New post 21 Nov 2011, 00:15
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ksp wrote:
It comes under conciseness. to make a synthetic... can be expressed more stlyistically by making it synthesize


but, there is a word meaning difference betwen synthetic (which means artificial, or not natural) and synthesize (which means to form a whole). just this difference mademe choose B. else C obviously is more concise.
i dont think we can subordinate meaning to concision.

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I agree that there is a change of meaning in c...

But b has grammatical error :
Before scientists had learned about making a synthetic growth hormone, they had to remove it painstakingly in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.


Here we find a mis use of the past perfect tense...

Hence, I feel that whenever we have confusion with grammar and meaning, we should first prefer to correct the grammar and then meaning.
Hence C here is the best choice..
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Re: Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth [#permalink] New post 31 Oct 2013, 11:23
devinawilliam83 wrote:
Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.
A. scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly
B. scientists had learned about making a synthetic growth hormone, they had to remove it painstakingly
C. scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone, it had to be painstakingly removed
D. learning how to make a synthetic growth hormone, scientists had to remove it painstakingly
E. Learning how to synthesize the growth hormone, it have to be painstakingly removed by scientists

doesen't OA,change the meaning of the sentence? Please help



Isnt C a "Run ON"?

scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone - an independent statement
it had to be painstakingly removed - another independent statement

both statements are not connected with conjunctions or coordinating conjunctions etc... PLease help.
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Re: Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth [#permalink] New post 31 Oct 2013, 12:11
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devinawilliam83 wrote:
Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.
A. scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly
B. scientists had learned about making a synthetic growth hormone, they had to remove it painstakingly
C. scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone, it had to be painstakingly removed
D. learning how to make a synthetic growth hormone, scientists had to remove it painstakingly
E. Learning how to synthesize the growth hormone, it have to be painstakingly removed by scientists

doesen't OA,change the meaning of the sentence? Please help



Isnt C a "Run ON"?

scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone - an independent statement
it had to be painstakingly removed - another independent statement

both statements are not connected with conjunctions or coordinating conjunctions etc... PLease help.


Hi maadhu,
C isn't a run on you forgot the subordinating conjunction BEFORE
Before scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone(subordinate/dependent clause), it had to be painstakingly removed in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.(main/independent clause)


So the structure is {sub.conjunction +dependent clause, independent clause)

For more discussion refer link below
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/bef ... -t637.html



ohh god...How can I not see "Before"... Thank you dento biz
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Re: Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth [#permalink] New post 03 Nov 2013, 07:49
Hi guys.
How do we solve the conflict of "synthesizing a hormone" and a "synthetic hormone"?
They do not mean the same thing.... Aren't we changing the meaning of the sentence?
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Re: Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth [#permalink] New post 04 Nov 2013, 08:57
ronr34 wrote:
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How do we solve the conflict of "synthesizing a hormone" and a "synthetic hormone"?
They do not mean the same thing.... Aren't we changing the meaning of the sentence?



When you sythesize something,it becomes sythentic.
but if u see the sentence as a whole,they are very closely related.
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Re: Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth [#permalink] New post 21 Nov 2013, 23:47
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maaadhu wrote:
devinawilliam83 wrote:
Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.
A. scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly
B. scientists had learned about making a synthetic growth hormone, they had to remove it painstakingly
C. scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone, it had to be painstakingly removed
D. learning how to make a synthetic growth hormone, scientists had to remove it painstakingly
E. Learning how to synthesize the growth hormone, it have to be painstakingly removed by scientists

doesen't OA,change the meaning of the sentence? Please help



Isnt C a "Run ON"?

scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone - an independent statement
it had to be painstakingly removed - another independent statement

both statements are not connected with conjunctions or coordinating conjunctions etc... PLease help.


Hi maadhu,
C isn't a run on you forgot the subordinating conjunction BEFORE
Before scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone(subordinate/dependent clause), it had to be painstakingly removed in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.(main/independent clause)


So the structure is {sub.conjunction +dependent clause, independent clause)

For more discussion refer link below
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/bef ... -t637.html


Isn't it supposed to be "Before scientists ....."?
Why is scientist in singular form? It isn't right....
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Re: Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth [#permalink] New post 22 Nov 2013, 02:57
ronr34 wrote:
Isn't it supposed to be "Before scientists ....."?
Why is scientist in singular form? It isn't right....

You are correct. This is definitely a typo; if the intent was to refer to a "particular scientist", it should at least have been "the scientist".
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Re: Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth [#permalink] New post 22 Nov 2013, 10:41
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ronr34 wrote:
Isn't it supposed to be "Before scientists ....."?
Why is scientist in singular form? It isn't right....

You are correct. This is definitely a typo; if the intent was to refer to a "particular scientist", it should at least have been "the scientist".


Agree, hence C is incorrect! :lol:
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Re: Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth [#permalink] New post 22 Nov 2013, 12:15
Isn't 'before' modifying 'scientists' instead of 'learning'? Even in the second part there should be a reference to a person carrying out an action..... I would prefer D....

How can OA be C? There is no mention of a person carrying that action..... Also, I feel 'before' is modifying 'Scientists'.... I would have been better satisfied if the structure was more like "Before learning ___ by scientists" or "Scientists before learning ___"
Can someone clarify?
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Re: Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth [#permalink] New post 11 Dec 2013, 01:29
Choices C and D are the contenders.

C. scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone, it had to be painstakingly removed
D. learning how to make a synthetic growth hormone, scientists had to remove it painstakingly

Even though synthesize the growth hormone and make a synthetic growth hormone are similar in meaning, there is another error in meaning if choice D is closely observed. D says that everytime before learning how to make a synthetic growth hormone, scientists had to remove it painstakingly. There is a clear distortion in the meaning of the original sentence, which intends to say that before scientists actually learned how to synthesize, they use to painstakingly remove it. Hence C is perfect here.

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