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Re: SC had been or was ? [#permalink] New post 21 Sep 2008, 20:23
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Before the storm destroyed much of the harbor, this town, with its sandy beaches and multiple opportunities for sports, had been one of the most popular resort destinations on the East Coast.

A ) had been
B ) has been
C ) had been being
D ) was being
E ) was


When ever there are two events such that both events have started in the past and one event occurred before the other we need past perfect and past tense. The storm destroyed is past tense and we need past perfect to show that this had been a popular resort for long time.

had been is correct.
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Before the storm destroyed much of the harbor, this town, [#permalink] New post 07 May 2009, 00:14
Before the storm destroyed much of the harbor, this town, with its sandy beaches and multiple opportunities for sports, had been one of the most popular resort destinations on the East Coast.


1.had been
2. has been
3. had been being
4. was being
5. was
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Re: SC- storm [#permalink] New post 07 May 2009, 05:01
Going with E.

Past-perfect is not necessary as the time of events is already captured in the construction "Before the storm destroyed..."
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Re: SC- storm [#permalink] New post 07 May 2009, 05:40
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Going with E.

Past-perfect is not necessary as the time of events is already captured in the construction "Before the storm destroyed..."


Below sentence do you need "past perfect" tense or not. If yes,

What is the difference between original question and this question.
Before I arrived at the theater, the movie had already begun.
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Re: SC- storm [#permalink] New post 07 May 2009, 05:43
I agree. I was torn between A & E.

So,you think past-perfect is the correct tense here?
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Re: SC- storm [#permalink] New post 07 May 2009, 08:48
Both A and E sound correct, however if the use of a 'simple past' suffices the purpose then there is no need to use 'past perfect'.

So, E could be correct.

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Re: SC- storm [#permalink] New post 07 May 2009, 11:53
IMO A.

Past perfect must precede the simple past.
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Re: SC- storm [#permalink] New post 07 May 2009, 12:13
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packem wrote:
Going with E.

Past-perfect is not necessary as the time of events is already captured in the construction "Before the storm destroyed..."


Below sentence do you need "past perfect" tense or not. If yes,

What is the difference between original question and this question.
Before I arrived at the theater, the movie had already begun.


Sometimes, I also run into similar thoughts/problems. MGMAT SC says, same subject with time reference doesnt need a past perfect because you are mentioning the sequence order but often I get confused with this kind of question.

Ex: He went to the shop and bought milk. (one subject is performing two actions but some how the sentence mentioning the sequence so in this case, you dont need pastperfect).

In this case, I choose A
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Re: SC- storm [#permalink] New post 07 May 2009, 12:25
Good question.

I go with E ::crossing fingers::
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Re: SC- storm [#permalink] New post 07 May 2009, 12:40
E for me

I dont think you need the past participle because "had been" can imply that the town stopped being an attraction before the storm even hit, which changes the meaning.
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Re: SC- storm [#permalink] New post 07 May 2009, 23:15
OA - E

BUT I STILL DONT GET WHY "A" ISN'T THE ANSWER. AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT TWO TIME FRAMES.
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Re: SC- storm [#permalink] New post 08 May 2009, 07:06
Folks, does this SC too has the same 'simple past - past perfect' confusion?

Unfortunately for the commuters who lost their lives when the bridge collapsed, the engineer was not honest at the preliminary public safety commission hearing, when he was questioned about the structure’s weight-bearing abilities.

1. was not honest
2.was not
3.was honest
4.had not been honest
5.had not been being honest
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Re: SC- storm [#permalink] New post 08 May 2009, 07:38
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IMO E. This will be a big trap for anyone who automatically applies past perfect tense. Because if the answer choice were (A), it would be too easy to qualified to be a Gmat question. So, lets think that the test makers wouldn't be so good that they could give us such a chance to score an easy point

Back to the main point, we can completely apply past simple here because the attractiveness of a tourist spot is not only a simple action happened before another action in the past, but it is indeed a so-called trade-mark of a place. So, it's like an unchanged-thing in the past rather than a spontaneous action in the past


Before the storm destroyed much of the harbor, this town, with its sandy beaches and multiple opportunities for sports, had been one of the most popular resort destinations on the East Coast.


1.had been
2. has been
3. had been being
4. was being
5. was
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Re: SC- storm [#permalink] New post 08 May 2009, 09:28
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IMO E. This will be a big trap for anyone who automatically applies past perfect tense. Because if the answer choice were (A), it would be too easy to qualified to be a Gmat question. So, lets think that the test makers wouldn't be so good that they could give us such a chance to score an easy point

Back to the main point, we can completely apply past simple here because the attractiveness of a tourist spot is not only a simple action happened before another action in the past, but it is indeed a so-called trade-mark of a place. So, it's like an unchanged-thing in the past rather than a spontaneous action in the past


Before the storm destroyed much of the harbor, this town, with its sandy beaches and multiple opportunities for sports, had been one of the most popular resort destinations on the East Coast.


1.had been
2. has been
3. had been being
4. was being
5. was



What if sentence has curtailed like below.

Before the storm destroyed much of the harbor, this town had been one of the most popular resort destinations on the East Coast.

Will you chose "had been" or "was"

I am still confused...
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Re: SC- storm [#permalink] New post 08 May 2009, 10:09
I would choose "WAS"

The reason why - the word "Before" - this already triggers that sequence of events, therefore, using past perfect would not be the best expression.

I don't think it's grammatically wrong, but you have to compare it with "WAS".

If you compare WAS vs HAD BEEN, was is a better , more concise choice.

Sometimes with SC, it's not about what is gramatically right or wrong, but what is the best answer of the lot. I get caught up in a lot of these as well.


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IMO E. This will be a big trap for anyone who automatically applies past perfect tense. Because if the answer choice were (A), it would be too easy to qualified to be a Gmat question. So, lets think that the test makers wouldn't be so good that they could give us such a chance to score an easy point

Back to the main point, we can completely apply past simple here because the attractiveness of a tourist spot is not only a simple action happened before another action in the past, but it is indeed a so-called trade-mark of a place. So, it's like an unchanged-thing in the past rather than a spontaneous action in the past


Before the storm destroyed much of the harbor, this town, with its sandy beaches and multiple opportunities for sports, had been one of the most popular resort destinations on the East Coast.


1.had been
2. has been
3. had been being
4. was being
5. was



What if sentence has curtailed like below.

Before the storm destroyed much of the harbor, this town had been one of the most popular resort destinations on the East Coast.

Will you chose "had been" or "was"

I am still confused...
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Re: SC- storm [#permalink] New post 09 May 2009, 09:01
Simple past tense is required here...So going with E....
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Re: SC- storm [#permalink] New post 09 May 2009, 20:18
I guess this one is not well written question. I saw same type in Kaplan book and Kaplan strictly used past perfect in this scenario. If some questions were deviated from standard books such as kaplan, MGMAT SC, it would be preferable to say NO :no to those questions.
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Re: SC: tense. [#permalink] New post 06 Apr 2010, 15:48
In this case, simple past tense is required.

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Re: SC: tense. [#permalink] New post 06 Apr 2010, 15:58
I think the answer is

A

Because we're talking about 2 events or "times" that are in the past. The storm, and what the town was like prior to that. In that situation, I think we need "had been". Now I'll go look at the spoiler and see.
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Re: SC: tense. [#permalink] New post 06 Apr 2010, 16:13
It's a choice between A and E. For answer A, "had been", the use of the past perfect tense implies an action completed before another past time. I believe that is grammatically incorrect in this case. The simple past tense "was" is a better choice.
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