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# Ben and Ann are among 7 contestants from which 4

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Ben and Ann are among 7 contestants from which 4 semifinalists are to be selected. Of the different possible selections, how many contain both Ben and Ann?
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05 Jul 2004, 00:01
no of combinations containing B and A = 5C2 ??
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05 Jul 2004, 00:40
stolyar wrote:
Ben and Ann are among 7 contestants from which 4 semifinalists are to be selected. Of the different possible selections, how many contain both Ben and Ann?

stolyar, don't you think that such questions follow simple pattern? I see them again and again here...

OK, C[2,5] = 10 is the answer.
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05 Jul 2004, 00:50
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07 Jul 2004, 12:14
Can someone please explain the simple rationale behind this? I understand the "2" part of the combination, but why "5"?

Thanks!
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08 Jul 2004, 04:53
5 are people who are neither Ben nor Ann. Among them we select 2.
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08 Jul 2004, 10:24
There are four places, 7 people to choose from. Ben and Ann have to be selected, so that leaves two places left out of the four that can be filled. There are 5 remaining contestants to choose from that can fill those two spaces. Therefore 5C2.

Combinations involving Ben and Ann with two other people =
5! / (2! 3!) = 10 combos
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09 Jul 2004, 14:06
Why cant it be something like this

total ways in which A &B together

=total ways - no of ways in which they are not together
= 7C4 - 5C4 (If they are not together we have total 5 and choose 4

Obviously this is wrong BUT WHY?
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