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Bengal - born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been skeptical of Gandhi's form of nationalism and his conservative opinions about India's cultural traditions


A. same
B. for Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
C. for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
D. of Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as also a politician, but Tagore was
E. of Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore had also been


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Re: OG 13 # 38 [#permalink] New post 11 Jun 2012, 01:00
B is correct -

D & E are not as 'admiration of' is incorrect usage.

Out of A,B,C - Only B has the correct parallel structure - "as a person and as a politician".

C's 'not only' has to be paired with 'not only...but also'
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Re: OG 13 # 38 [#permalink] New post 11 Jun 2012, 01:30
Hi,

Some of the options are having construction : Not only.X..............But also.Y ( we will strike off the ones that don:t have this )

C,E = Breaks the form Not only X but also Y = Eliminated

Of A,B,D :

Admiration for is the correct usage of idiom

D = eliminated

of A n B :

A : ....................... admiration for gandhi.......... person = incorrect ( there has to be something in the gap bxn Gandhi & Person ) = Eliminated

leading to B : the gap is filled by AS and has the correct usage of Idiom admiration for.
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Re: Bengal - born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath [#permalink] New post 08 Oct 2012, 23:54
Look for the parallel structure "as a person and as a politician" only B, C and E are left.

C is eliminated because it doesn't follow the right structure for not only...but also.

Then the Admiration for is the right Idiom and admiration of is incorrect apart from that E is very wordy so it can be eliminated. Hence, B is the right answer
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Re: Bengal - born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath [#permalink] New post 09 Oct 2012, 02:46
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Bengal - born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been skeptical of Gandhi's form of nationalism and his conservative opinions about India's cultural traditions


A. same
B. for Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
C. for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
D. of Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as also a politician, but Tagore was
E. of Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore had also been


Source OG 13 # 38


A. MK.Gandhi the person and also AS a politicial is NOT parallel.
B. Correct parallelism.
C. not only needs but also ESSENTIALLY
D. as a person and as also a politician is NOT parallel. Also admiration of is weird/awkward.
E. Not only needs but also. Also a problem with the use of "admiration of"

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Re: Bengal - born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath [#permalink] New post 09 Jul 2013, 10:18
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A. same
B. for Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
C. for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also--not only always take a but also
D. of Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as also a politician, but Tagore was ---of is a wrong idiom over here--parrallelism not met
E. of Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore had also been past perfect changes the meaning

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Re: Bengal - born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath [#permalink] New post 25 Jul 2013, 11:03
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this question can be solved by several methods, lots of errors have crept in making it easy to split.
as X... As Y defines ll structure over here
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Re: Bengal - born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2013, 16:10
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In this question, I was able to eliminate A,D and E.
But strucked between B and C, I chose B, dont know why, but the explanation here why C i wrong, I am unable to get the catch.

Dear honchos,
I'm happy to help. :-) Here's the question again:

OG SC #38) Bengal-born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been skeptical of Gandhi's form of nationalism and his conservative opinions about India's cultural traditions
A. for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been
B. for Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
C. for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
D. of Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as also a politician, but Tagore was
E. of Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore had also been


The not only ... but also idiom is a favorite on the GMAT, and it must link two parallel structures ----
not only P but also Q
The P & Q must be in parallel. If P begins with a preposition, then Q must begin with the same preposition.

In version (C), it starts ....
(C) Bengal-born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, .....
After the "not only", we get a prepositional phrase with the preposition "as", so we need exactly that in the second half: for example, something along the lines of .....
Bengal-born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but also as an expert in blah blah blah.

The second half of the sentence does not match the expectations that the first half of (C) sets up. More to the point, the grammatical structures
not P but Q or a simple but
establishes a strong contrast, and it is precisely this sense of contrast for which this sentence is striving. Simplistically, Tagore saw Gandhi as good in some ways and not-so-good in some ways. That's contrast. The structure
not only P but also Q
is a structure that emphasizes the deeper unity among two elements that might seem different. It's not really the appropriate idiom for the contrast this sentence wants to establish. See:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/gmat-idiom ... junctions/

Does all this make sense?
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Re: Bengal - born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2013, 06:49
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honchos wrote:
In this question, I was able to eliminate A,D and E.
But strucked between B and C, I chose B, dont know why, but the explanation here why C i wrong, I am unable to get the catch.

Dear honchos,
I'm happy to help. :-) Here's the question again:

OG SC #38) Bengal-born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been skeptical of Gandhi's form of nationalism and his conservative opinions about India's cultural traditions
A. for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been
B. for Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
C. for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
D. of Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as also a politician, but Tagore was
E. of Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore had also been


The not only ... but also idiom is a favorite on the GMAT, and it must link two parallel structures ----
not only P but also Q
The P & Q must be in parallel. If P begins with a preposition, then Q must begin with the same preposition.

In version (C), it starts ....
(C) Bengal-born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, .....
After the "not only", we get a prepositional phrase with the preposition "as", so we need exactly that in the second half: for example, something along the lines of .....
Bengal-born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but also as an expert in blah blah blah.

The second half of the sentence does not match the expectations that the first half of (C) sets up. More to the point, the grammatical structures
not P but Q or a simple but
establishes a strong contrast, and it is precisely this sense of contrast for which this sentence is striving. Simplistically, Tagore saw Gandhi as good in some ways and not-so-good in some ways. That's contrast. The structure
not only P but also Q
is a structure that emphasizes the deeper unity among two elements that might seem different. It's not really the appropriate idiom for the contrast this sentence wants to establish. See:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/gmat-idiom ... junctions/

Does all this make sense?
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Re: Bengal - born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath [#permalink] New post 26 Nov 2013, 04:41
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honchos wrote:
In this question, I was able to eliminate A,D and E.
But strucked between B and C, I chose B, dont know why, but the explanation here why C i wrong, I am unable to get the catch.

Dear honchos,
I'm happy to help. :-) Here's the question again:

OG SC #38) Bengal-born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been skeptical of Gandhi's form of nationalism and his conservative opinions about India's cultural traditions
A. for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been
B. for Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
C. for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
D. of Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as also a politician, but Tagore was
E. of Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore had also been


The not only ... but also idiom is a favorite on the GMAT, and it must link two parallel structures ----
not only P but also Q
The P & Q must be in parallel. If P begins with a preposition, then Q must begin with the same preposition.

In version (C), it starts ....
(C) Bengal-born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, .....
After the "not only", we get a prepositional phrase with the preposition "as", so we need exactly that in the second half: for example, something along the lines of .....
Bengal-born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but also as an expert in blah blah blah.

The second half of the sentence does not match the expectations that the first half of (C) sets up. More to the point, the grammatical structures
not P but Q or a simple but
establishes a strong contrast, and it is precisely this sense of contrast for which this sentence is striving. Simplistically, Tagore saw Gandhi as good in some ways and not-so-good in some ways. That's contrast. The structure
not only P but also Q
is a structure that emphasizes the deeper unity among two elements that might seem different. It's not really the appropriate idiom for the contrast this sentence wants to establish. See:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/gmat-idiom ... junctions/

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)


Mike,

Is it necessary that the in the idiom Not only X but also Y, X and Y should have same structure.
Ex: In the correct version mentioned by you Bengal-born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but also as an expert in blah blah blah.

X -> As a person and as a politician
Y-> as an expert

So X is a list of two elements but Y is a single element.

Please advise...
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Re: Bengal - born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath [#permalink] New post 26 Nov 2013, 09:42
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Mike,

Is it necessary that the in the idiom Not only X but also Y, X and Y should have same structure.
Ex: In the correct version mentioned by you Bengal-born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but also as an expert in blah blah blah.

X -> As a person and as a politician
Y-> as an expert

So X is a list of two elements but Y is a single element.

Please advise...

Dear ygdrasil24,
I'm happy to respond. :-)

In the idiom "not only X but also Y", it is very important that X and Y are in parallel. It's very important to remember --- parallelism is fundamentally not a grammatical structure but a logical structure. The two elements in parallel must be playing logically the same role, and part of that is having the same grammatical form.
Here, both X and Y describe roles that Gandhi had, or ways that his contemporaries might look at him. One way to look at him was "as a person and as a politician." Another way to look at him was "as an expert in blah blah blah." It's fine that the first one has two elements and the second only has one. Never let yourself become fundamentalist about parallelism. It's not about creating perfect symmetry purely at the level of individual grammatical units --- rather, it's about the overall flow of the logic. If you pay attention to the grammar and ignore the logic, you will miss the forest for the trees.

Here's a recent post on parallelism:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/dropping-c ... -the-gmat/

I hope all this helps.
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Re: Bengal - born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath [#permalink] New post 05 Jan 2014, 13:42
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Bengal - born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath Tagore had the greatest admiration for Mohandas K. Gandhi the person and also as a politician, but Tagore had been skeptical of Gandhi's form of nationalism and his conservative opinions about India's cultural traditions


A. same
B. for Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
C. for Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore was also
D. of Mohandas K.Gandhi as a person and as also a politician, but Tagore was
E. of Mohandas K.Gandhi not only as a person and as a politician, but Tagore had also been


Source OG 13 # 38


Parallelism.. "as a person... AND as a politician" flows perfectly in B. The rest of the options do not have correct parallelism between person and politician. So B is correct.
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Re: Bengal - born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath [#permalink] New post 19 May 2014, 12:33
I get that option B is correct and understand all the reasons why.

But this sentence has an issue that is throwing me off.
....R Tagore had the greatest admiration for...., but Tagore was also ....

Can some one please explain how this verb-tense is correct?

Does the HAD show that that there was first admiration and Then there WAS skepticism?
Is this the timeline being conveyed by the meaning of this sentence?
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I get that option B is correct and understand all the reasons why.

But this sentence has an issue that is throwing me off.
....R Tagore had the greatest admiration for...., but Tagore was also ....

Can some one please explain how this verb-tense is correct?

Does the HAD show that that there was first admiration and Then there WAS skepticism?
Is this the timeline being conveyed by the meaning of this sentence?

Dear vingmat001,
I'm happy to respond. :-)
Both verbs "had" and "was" are in the simple past tense.
The structure "he was" is the simple past tense of "he is."
The structure "he had" is the simple past tense of "he has."
Yes, the word "had" can appear as an auxiliary verb in a number of fancier tenses, such as the present perfect tense, but on its own, it's just a simple past tense of an ordinary verb.

Yesterday, I had one cat. Today, I had three. Before yesterday, I had had no cats at all.

The three sentences, respective, show the simple present, simple past, and past perfect, of the verb "to have." Obviously, the "had had" is a little awkward, even though 100% correct, so you will not see this on the GMAT.

Does all this make sense?
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Re: Bengal - born writer, philosopher, and educator Rabindranath [#permalink] New post 28 May 2014, 12:15
Thanks Mike!

Great explanation!

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