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And the last one I'll post since no is reading this anyway

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All in all, my first year at Wharton has been phenomenal. I've met people who will be friends for life. I've learned so much, and this time around the knowledge seems to be sticking! I've also learned so much about myself: my weaknesses, my fears, my strengths. I would never change my decision to go back to business school.

But that being said, there are some things I wish I had known this time last year. It might have made my transition back to school a little less rocky.

I wish I had known that recruiting would take up half of my time in the fall semester. Coming in, I had absolutely no clue about the time required to (not) find a job. In the fall I focused on Investment Banking only. I didn't recruit with any other industries (although now I wish I had). IB alone took 20-35 hours a week. When you add class time, study time, extracurricular time, and just plan old take-care-of-business time, I had about 2 to 3 hours left to sleep each night. The intensity of the recruiting schedule hit me like a ton of bricks. And contrary to what the career management office might tell you, if you don't have banking experience and you skip an event at a top tier bank, you can forget getting on their interview list. So I pretty much had to go to everything.

I wish I had known that banking wouldn't work out for me. Hindsight is 20/20 right? So looking back, there were clues that it wouldn't work out. Whenever I would tell a former banker that I wanted to do banking, they would cock their head to the side, shake their head, and say, "You don't seem like the banking type. You're too nice to be a banker." I interpreted that as "You can't hang with the bankers," and "You can't do that job." But that's not what they were saying. They were questioning my fit for the job. If I had been smart, I would have put my ego aside, heard what they were saying, and realized that the people interviewing me would feel the same way. If people don't think you'll fit, you're not getting the job. It's not a judgment about ability. I wish I had realized this sooner. I think I would have saved myself A LOT of grief.

I wish I had known that I would have to work HARD to excel here. I've always risen to the top. I worked for my accomplishments, but there have been few things (at least academically) that I couldn't do reasonably well. So when I got here, I rested on my laurels. After all, I had learned so much of these subjects before. I'd done marketing, accounting, finance, etc. So I expected it would be relatively easy for me to understand. So first quarter, I just went through the motions. I showed up, did the minimum required. And it totally bit me in the ass. I quickly learned that if I wanted to do well here, I was going to have to WORK. I'd have to do practice problems, and do all the readings if I wanted to master this stuff. I'm glad I learned that because, I think I learned MUCH more in quarters 2-4 because of my improved effort. I just wish I had gotten my wake up call sooner.

And there are some things that I were different at Wharton.

I wish the Career Management Office provided more support post-DIP week. After the Dedicated Interviewing Period, I felt like the CMO just dropped us. Sure they had sessions to give you tips on getting a job, but those tips were basically "Look on our website for jobs" and "Use the WAVE alumni database to make contacts in the companies." Well, duh. What would have helped me would have been sessions on different industries so I could figure out what to do next. They had them in September, but in September I was focused on banking. Sure that was my decision, but the nature of the process kind of makes you choose early. For people like me who were focused on something that didn't pan out, it would have been helpful to do these sessions again in March.

I wish some of my fellow students were able to hold their liquor better. These people are the minority, but there are a few who clearly were never really around alcohol - because now they act like they are 21 again. So either they didn't party with alcohol in undergrad (they were studying while the rest of us are partying) or they are alcoholics. The jury's still out. But I wish this small group would learn how to drink and have fun without acting like complete asses.

I wish people here respected nonprofits more. When I mentioned that I worked for a nonprofit, it's like the people I was talking to instantly shut down, and start looking for someone more important to talk to. I quickly learned to leave "nonprofit" and "community" out of my elevator pitch. I've been SHOCKED by some of the stereotypes people have of nonprofits. People assume that nonprofits are all poorly run. That's completely untrue. There are well run nonprofits and poorly run nonprofits - just like in the for-profit world. And I wish MBAs didn't think it was up to them to save the nonprofit world from itself - that's just presumptuous. And because I worked at a nonprofit for part of my career, people assume that I'm an idiot, I know nothing, and all I have are soft skills. But many of the classes I kick ass in are "quant."

I wish that Au Bon Pain in Huntsman Hall could be replaced by a competent vendor. That restaurant has to be the most inefficient "quick" (and I am clearly using THAT term loosely) service I have ever seen. "How to fix ABP" would be an excellent OPIM project - maybe that would get me more excited about OPIM!

And there are things I wish I had done differently.

I wish I went to more parties.

I wish I had dinner more often with friends.

I wish I had met more people.

I wish I had studied more.

I wish I had learned more about careers in product development, strategy, marketing, and consulting.

I wish I had taken more time to find a career that fit me well.

I wish I had gotten to know my professors better.

And I wish I had won just one session of Cohort Bingo.

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Oh and if you want to know what happens to her abysmal and totally disaster of a job hunt ...

https://futurembagirl.blogspot.com/2005_ ... chive.html
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is she cute? :oops:
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thanks for posting the tidbits! i probably would never have gone through and read all that myself but i'm glad to read the highlights.

btw, i went to wharton undergrad and au bon pain (which was in steiny D back then, huntsman hall didn't exist yet) was just as poorly run then. some things never change :roll:

she makes me really scared for what this whole thing is going to be like... :?
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she makes me really scared for what this whole thing is going to be like... :?


I would like to think that Kellogg keeps you very busy (and then some), but is not as intense as Wharton.

That's what I like to think. Who knows what the reality is. Guess we should ask at DAK, huh?
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Her story about her intense schedule doesn't really bother me that much. What concerns me more is that a Wharton student had as much trouble as she did finding a job in ibanking and finance. I had the impression that Wharton students could more or less name their job in ibanking. I wonder if her difficulties were because of a challenging job search or because of her own shortcomings. The fact that she had trouble does raise concerns though.

On another note, I have heard from several people that the pre-term at Wharton is really intense.
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i'm still not convinced :-D doing an MBA can't be harder than working on a trading floor 13 hours a day .... surely ??!

i wonder how many people at business school have had a properly gruelling job before... putting themselves through school by cleaning out toilets and scrubbing floors etc.
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I read this blog from beginning to end.

https://domodomo74.blogspot.com/
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I read this blog from beginning to end.

https://domodomo74.blogspot.com/


Great blog... I like the interview tips. I read through this portion here:

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Talking about dings, let me tell you the sinister INSEAD Ding tradition.
Apparently, INSEAD used to have a bell in the campus. The tradition had it that, whenever participants got dinged in job applications, they would ring the bell. In the darkest moments of the 1990s, the bell rang so much that the Dean decided to stop the practice.


Wow, that must have been rough.
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is this just for MBA related blogs?

these are the two blogs i frequent

https://postsecret.blogspot.com/

https://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/ (PS: no political or any other indication here, the blog tends to lean on one side of the issue)

both have won some critic acclaims
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I love postsecret.

Recently he posted a postcard that came from Stanford Business School.
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I read somewhere hte postsecret guy went to GSB. Don't know if it was true.
You guys bought the postsecret book on amazon?
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And if you guys wanna know what happens to the girl above post-mba.. I finally got to that part...

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It wasn’t until I interviewed with the consulting firm that I remember my passion for nonprofits. For a year and a half I’ve talked about my work in terms of achievements and responsibilities but anyone who’s ever worked in the nonprofit sector knows those things – the numbers of your job – aren’t why your there. You’re there because you believe in the mission. You’re there because you see your work as contributing more to the world than additional profits. So during my interview with the nonprofit consulting firm I actually got to talk about the mission of work I did and my passion for it, and it reignited my commitment for the field. It reminded me what I wanted to be when I grow up.

After first round interviews with the nonprofit consulting firm, I started to feel like my recruiting journey was sort of like the Wizard of Oz. I had to go on this rocky journey and went through many trials. But in the end, I find out “There’s No Place Like Home.â€
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Sounds like came out on top. Bridgespan is freaking hard to get into and very prestigious (they're a Bain spin-off).
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Good one, rhyme et all.
ucs, about the schedule being hard, my pre-MBA tour of 07 taught me:

a) HBS: a few friends went out to dinner with me around 8.30 and were "sighing" about having to read 2 more cases before bed time. And having to get up by around 7am. They'd hit 1 or 2 am regularly (about twice a week). But the only "all nighter" story I heard from them was related to preparing for a VC (or was it PE?) competition. Which they won.

b) Kellogg: (at presentation with adcom staff):

Lepium: so, what surprises students the most at Kellogg?
Adcom: (several other things...then) well, also some people feel that B-school is a good time to calm down a little and relax. What they end up realizing is that B-school actually takes more time than a full time job.

c) Ross: (talking to several students)

- B-school (social activities aside) takes about 40 - 50 hs a week, including classes, studying and work.

- Geez! 1 - 2 am at HBS? You'd never go through that, here.

pelihu:

A friend of mine is currently a 1st year at Wharton. He said he considered IB first but then he added that since his pre-MBA position was mainly in supply chain / logistics, he had been adviced it would be a tough sell for him. He then moved on to job hunting for MC, for which his odds were much better. He also said that if his experience had been more sales - related (even outside finance) he would have had a stronger case for IB or some other positions in finance (sales and trading?).

A current Ross 2nd year student told me that it was actually easier to get a finance job from Ross than from Columbia (for career switchers). He had a friend over at Columbia, so he had some actual info on that. His case was: at Columbia, everyone has finance experience, and all firms will expect that since you are in NYC you will drop by at their office like 20 times. At Ross, few people have finance experience so your competition at interviews is easier. So, for a career switcher, Ross would be arguably better than Columbia in this case.

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A good friend of mine had a similar career change experience at Fuqua. He was able to land multiple NY IB jobs with minimal networking and a single trip to NYC.

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A current Ross 2nd year student told me that it was actually easier to get a finance job from Ross than from Columbia (for career switchers). He had a friend over at Columbia, so he had some actual info on that. His case was: at Columbia, everyone has finance experience, and all firms will expect that since you are in NYC you will drop by at their office like 20 times. At Ross, few people have finance experience so your competition at interviews is easier. So, for a career switcher, Ross would be arguably better than Columbia in this case.

Cheers. L.
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One at GSB - https://wakechick.blogspot.com/ You will find several links to other GSB blogs
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