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Brock MBA vs McMaster MBA (CANADA) [#permalink] New post 20 May 2010, 19:13
Hi everyone,
I was hoping to get some insight on Brock and McMaster's MBA Programs.

McMaster has co-op which lets you work in different companies. It has 3 co-op terms of 4 months each.
Brock has two co-op terms.

I know Brock is newer, started in 2003 whereas McMaster started way back with co-op program starting in 1973!
So, Brock probably does not have a very strong alumni network. How important is an alumni network?

Brock is less expensive though, only $20,000 tuition while McMaster's Co-op program is $35,000

GMAT is not that far off: Brock's avg is 600, while McMaster is 620

Here's a link to the starting salary upon graduating:
http://list.canadianbusiness.com/rankin ... p2=1&eh=ch

McMaster is #2, with 87% increase while Brock is 55%. Brock's entering avg is higher though, so they come out comparable.

Anyone from Canada able to help me?

Thanks
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Re: Brock MBA vs McMaster MBA (CANADA) [#permalink] New post 22 May 2010, 14:17
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I looked into Brock, and I know the reputation just isn't there. There's an old saying in the Toronto region of "if you can walk, you can get into Brock"

Their marketing program sounded attractive, but they are just not up there as far as business programs go. The GMAT is optional, which scared me out of it. I've also known people who went there and were unsatisfied with their educational experiences.

McMaster is a reputable school, but I don't know much about their business program. I had a boss who took his undergrad their and he did alright (managed a large parking lot company that ran the lots for most of the downtown core in Calgary) and I'm sure they have a strong alumni network. Plus, Hamilton has a ton of industry whereas St. Catherine's is a tourist town.

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Re: Brock MBA vs McMaster MBA (CANADA) [#permalink] New post 22 May 2010, 14:22
To answer one of your Qs: A strong alumni network, in my opinion, is like having a giant goodie bag of low-cost yet incredibly valuable opportunities. I've been doing my MBA for less than a year and already the powerful alumni network here has affected me in great ways, some of which translated into actual dollar bills. The group of 40 of us that I'm making deep personal connections with right now? In 10-15 years I'm probably going to have like 25 friends who are all going to be in impressive business/corporate positions. The other 15 might be doing some crazy interesting stuff. Although I'm sure some will drop out of touch, you have to anticipate that.

I have a question for you though, which is most important to you:

Taking the MBA in Ontario
Tuition costs
Excellent Co-op opportunities
The Salary bump

If you had to rank them?

I ask because depending on how you answer you might be interested in what I'm doing now on the East Coast.

Cheers, and good luck :)
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Re: Brock MBA vs McMaster MBA (CANADA) [#permalink] New post 22 May 2010, 15:48
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The GMAT is optional, which scared me out of it. I've also known people who went there and were unsatisfied with their educational experiences.

McMaster is a reputable school, but I don't know much about their business program. I had a boss who took his undergrad their and he did alright (managed a large parking lot company that ran the lots for most of the downtown core in Calgary) and I'm sure they have a strong alumni network. Plus, Hamilton has a ton of industry whereas St. Catherine's is a tourist town.

Good luck!


Thanks for your input. Brock requires GMAT now too, unless you have 80% overall, which usually means you can do well in GMAT anyways. But yeah, McMaster is definitely more reputable. Is McMaster comparable to big schools like Toronto, Western, York, Queens?

Right now I don't have any experience, so I was thinking of entering either McMaster's coop program or Brock's program as neither of them require work experience. Unfortunately, I bombed the GMAT, so I can't make it to McMaster this year. I could still make it to Brock as their last deadline is August 1.

Or I could get some work experience and then apply to McMaster next year or big schools in a few years. I am interested in CMA (Management Accounting), which could be done along with MBA at either McMaster or Brock. So, that was one reason I wanted to go either of these schools.
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Re: Brock MBA vs McMaster MBA (CANADA) [#permalink] New post 22 May 2010, 15:55
dalmba wrote:
I have a question for you though, which is most important to you:

Taking the MBA in Ontario
Tuition costs
Excellent Co-op opportunities
The Salary bump

If you had to rank them?

I ask because depending on how you answer you might be interested in what I'm doing now on the East Coast.

Cheers, and good luck :)


I would say Co-op would be most important as I do not have any work experience. I looked at Dal MBA, but I am interested in Accounting, which wasn't available at Dal, so I didn't apply there.

How are you liking the program? Thanks for your help!
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Re: Brock MBA vs McMaster MBA (CANADA) [#permalink] New post 22 May 2010, 21:11
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I would say Co-op would be most important as I do not have any work experience. I looked at Dal MBA, but I am interested in Accounting, which wasn't available at Dal, so I didn't apply there.

How are you liking the program? Thanks for your help!

Well Dal certainly has Accounting courses. I'm actually taking Financial Statement Analysis right online during the residency. It is true that there's no heavy accounting focus/reputation for accounting at Dal.

Doing this CRMBA has been a life changer for sure. Through the events that have cascaded since I started I've discovered my career path and made some pretty invaluable friendships and connections. I've been able to build some very meaningful and relevant work experience around social media consulting and implementation, which is actually fairly rare despite the all hype. Pretty exciting!

Glad to be able to help. If you have any questions about Dal or otherwise you know how to get in touch :)
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Re: Brock MBA vs McMaster MBA (CANADA) [#permalink] New post 22 May 2010, 22:18
Hey
I see your signature says that Grades/GMAT are not the main focus for admission. So what do they use to assess you?

One reason I was interested in Brock was that it has joint CMA/MBA program. I wanted to do CMA and I could have done through three ways:
1. Take CMA accelerated program
2. Take courses at my university
3. Enroll in MBA program and take those courses there

#3 seemed best as I would be taking courses at MBA level compared to undergrad level (if I were to do #2)
#1 is just not considered best as they teach you a course in 1 day, which some students take over 1 full semester. People really don't grasp the content well in 1 day and then they struggle later on.
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Re: Brock MBA vs McMaster MBA (CANADA) [#permalink] New post 23 May 2010, 04:57
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Hey
I see your signature says that Grades/GMAT are not the main focus for admission. So what do they use to assess you?

They will still use grades, but the big focus is on employability and personality. The essay you write is pretty open ended, in fact it's called a personal essay so the hint there is be personable in it. You also fill out a whole bunch of other stuff like a profile and what employer partners you think would be a good fit for you (though I don't think they use that bit to assess). Then there's the interview and that's your chance to really shine.

I think we're able to lean more heavily on the personality side of things now at least because the class size is small (50 max now, 100 later) enough and the number of incoming apps are not overwhelming (yet).

LoveTheGMAT wrote:
One reason I was interested in Brock was that it has joint CMA/MBA program. I wanted to do CMA and I could have done through three ways:
1. Take CMA accelerated program
2. Take courses at my university
3. Enroll in MBA program and take those courses there

#3 seemed best as I would be taking courses at MBA level compared to undergrad level (if I were to do #2)
#1 is just not considered best as they teach you a course in 1 day, which some students take over 1 full semester. People really don't grasp the content well in 1 day and then they struggle later on.

You are right, it kills 2 birds with one stone too because you build credits towards an MBA degree. Plus those standalone courses can cost a bundle.

Actually, Dal's friendly rival Saint Mary's University has a CMA-MBA program. They're actually holding the reputation now in the area for being "the business school" (Dal is better known for medicine). I was considering applying there before I learned of the CRMBA. If you like an East Coast experience while taking a CMA-MBA I suggest you give that program a gander. SMU is much small and us Dal jerks make a lot of fun of them but my Honours prof was from SMU, so I had some exposure to the campus and people: they're actually alright (as a Dal alum I'm not officially allowed to say anything better than that ;)).

For you I suggest you definitely follow your goals and I think a CMA-MBA combined program is an excellent choice. I also think with some extra effort you could pull off a similar learning experience with something like the CRMBA (it's been heralded as "the tailor made MBA"). I mean, there's no real "social media MBA" but that's kind of what I've done with my approach to the program. However, there are aspects to this program that may not jive with or distract you from your CMA goals so you'll have to be careful to gather all the facts about all the places you look at!
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Re: Brock MBA vs McMaster MBA (CANADA) [#permalink] New post 23 May 2010, 10:47
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krussell wrote:
The GMAT is optional, which scared me out of it. I've also known people who went there and were unsatisfied with their educational experiences.

McMaster is a reputable school, but I don't know much about their business program. I had a boss who took his undergrad their and he did alright (managed a large parking lot company that ran the lots for most of the downtown core in Calgary) and I'm sure they have a strong alumni network. Plus, Hamilton has a ton of industry whereas St. Catherine's is a tourist town.

Good luck!


Thanks for your input. Brock requires GMAT now too, unless you have 80% overall, which usually means you can do well in GMAT anyways. But yeah, McMaster is definitely more reputable. Is McMaster comparable to big schools like Toronto, Western, York, Queens?

Right now I don't have any experience, so I was thinking of entering either McMaster's coop program or Brock's program as neither of them require work experience. Unfortunately, I bombed the GMAT, so I can't make it to McMaster this year. I could still make it to Brock as their last deadline is August 1.

Or I could get some work experience and then apply to McMaster next year or big schools in a few years. I am interested in CMA (Management Accounting), which could be done along with MBA at either McMaster or Brock. So, that was one reason I wanted to go either of these schools.


If you're into accounting and doing the CMA coursework, I'm not sure how much reputation matters. Accounting isn't Marketing or Investment Banking, and everywhere needs accountants. It's almost a trade.

Brock is a party school. If you're waiting to go back and apply to McMaster next year, I'd definitely look into applying elsewhere. Molson at Concorida, for example, has a co-op program and I know someone who worked in the admissions department and she said they'd try hard to stretch anything into "two years" of work experience. They're alot more reputable (and cheap, being in Quebec) than either Brock or McMaster. Also, UVic has a pretty steady co-op program, but they're small.

Most of the big guys (Schulich, Rotman, Ivey) work with students to get summer internships... would that take the place of a co-op?
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Re: Brock MBA vs McMaster MBA (CANADA) [#permalink] New post 23 May 2010, 10:56
Hey
I looked at Molson, not sure why I didn't apply there. Well its too late for Fall 2010 now anyways.
I am thinking of re-writing my GMAT and hopefully start at Brock in September.
I graduated recently, so I don't think I have a shot at big schools and since I know I want to go in Accounting, getting MBA from Brock and working towards CMA should be ok. The CMA/MBA Program at Brock looks attractive.
Some people say the best schools "depends on what you want to do", so if I can get into Accounting, then Brock should be ok, although McMaster's program would have been more reputable.
5-10 years from now, will my MBA even matter as much after I have all the experience?
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Re: Brock MBA vs McMaster MBA (CANADA) [#permalink] New post 23 May 2010, 15:55
Hard to say. If it was Harvard or Oxford it probably would, but I don't think Ivey, Schulich, Rotman, or any Canadian school have that much pull compared to an accomplished career.

Everything happens for a reason and an MBA from anywhere is great!

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Re: Brock MBA vs McMaster MBA (CANADA) [#permalink] New post 20 Apr 2011, 12:01
Does anyone know the admission requirement for McMAster and Brock?
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Re: Brock MBA vs McMaster MBA (CANADA) [#permalink] New post 20 Apr 2011, 17:55
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Does anyone know the admission requirement for McMAster and Brock?



Google is your friend.

http://www.degroote.mcmaster.ca/mba/standards.html

http://www.brocku.ca/business/future/gr ... ements-mba
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Re: Brock MBA vs McMaster MBA (CANADA) [#permalink] New post 20 Apr 2011, 19:20
Thanks.

But I think the website is outdated and not a good reflection of what their actual requirement are.

I was hoping to get some insight from people who got accepted to see what their credentials are in gaining admission.
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Re: Brock MBA vs McMaster MBA (CANADA) [#permalink] New post 20 Apr 2011, 19:26
FranklinChan wrote:
Thanks.

But I think the website is outdated and not a good reflection of what their actual requirement are.

I was hoping to get some insight from people who got accepted to see what their credentials are in gaining admission.


It may be difficult to find perspectives from Brock/McMaster students on this board as the Canadian representation isn't great and tends to be focused on only the top programs in the country.

I'd suggest you go by the websites if you're unable to find anything from current students. I highly doubt the information is dated especially since Brock's website lists the 2010 class profile which is the most recent class.

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Re: Brock MBA vs McMaster MBA (CANADA) [#permalink] New post 06 Jun 2013, 22:33
dalmba wrote:
To answer one of your Qs: A strong alumni network, in my opinion, is like having a giant goodie bag of low-cost yet incredibly valuable opportunities. I've been doing my MBA for less than a year and already the powerful alumni network here has affected me in great ways, some of which translated into actual dollar bills. The group of 40 of us that I'm making deep personal connections with right now? In 10-15 years I'm probably going to have like 25 friends who are all going to be in impressive business/corporate positions. The other 15 might be doing some crazy interesting stuff. Although I'm sure some will drop out of touch, you have to anticipate that.

I have a question for you though, which is most important to you:

Taking the MBA in Ontario
Tuition costs
Excellent Co-op opportunities
The Salary bump

If you had to rank them?

I ask because depending on how you answer you might be interested in what I'm doing now on the East Coast.

Cheers, and good luck :)


Hi I received a webinar interview call from Brock university.
I have few queries .Kindly reply me:
1.How good is the Brock university for MBA as compared to Southern methodist university for MS
2.What is the job placement rate after MBA from Brock?
3.Can a student owrk while studying?

Please help me with these queries as its bit urgent.
Thank you
Re: Brock MBA vs McMaster MBA (CANADA)   [#permalink] 06 Jun 2013, 22:33
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