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wooo....1500 a month? that's not really what I would consider a student budget, or am I completely not in the loop here?


wah! expensive for a 1 bed apartment!!! I`m going to need 2 or 3 bedrooms


Four of the huge b-school locations also happen to be near or in 4 of the most expensive areas in the country. NYC, Boston, Chicago, and San Fran area.

Of those Chicago is probably the cheapest and $1500 for a decent 1 bedroom apartment in a nice area is pretty reasonable. Evanston and the northside of the city are more expensive seeming than south. If you go to GSB and live near campus in Hyde Park its cheaper than going to Kellogg and living near campus in Evanston. That said by looking at nicer apartments in the more desirable locations 1500-1800 seems fairly common...add 300-500 for each bedroom.

Boston is slightly more than Chicago, can be a lot more depending on the area though. There is a lot of competition for apartments near the schools because of all the students. There are a lot of 4-5 bedroom places if you get a bunch of roommates together though. Its a very college based city so tons of leases start in the mid to late summer, so there is a huge selection in the spring but the good ones go very fast.

NYC in a nice section of town (near NYU especially) rent is crazy. My brother has a brownstone in park slope brooklyn and pays like 4k a month. Trying to find a nice place near where you want can be tough. You might end up having to use a broker, at which point its going to cost you about a months rent for them to find you a place. If you dont have a broker you wont stand a chance at a lot of places, its all a scam the control those people try to hold over apartments.

Parking in chicago seems to be pretty common with apartments or is at least reasonably priced. In NYC or Boston parking is a nightmare so dont get a car, I know in parts of boston and NYC parking can be $500-1000 a month for a space. Parking on the street is possible but very tough in a lot of neighborhoods, forget about it when it snows...in Boston if you dont clear your space and keep it you are in trouble. If you take someones shoveled space your car will be ruined if you are lucky, if you are unlucky you might get shot.

Check craigslist its a great way to judge prices for apartments...make sure you talk to current students or people that live in the city or you might think you are getting a great deal on a nice looking apartment but end up in a crack neighborhood.
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I'm pretty sure it is against the law to water down beer in the US. I'm 100% positive it is illegal to water down liquor (before mixing it of course). As far as I could tell, the beer was normal, and I've never heard anyone suggest it might be watered down.


I thought American beer comes watered down from the brewery...

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NYC in a nice section of town (near NYU especially) rent is crazy. My brother has a brownstone in park slope brooklyn and pays like 4k a month. Trying to find a nice place near where you want can be tough. You might end up having to use a broker, at which point its going to cost you about a months rent for them to find you a place. If you dont have a broker you wont stand a chance at a lot of places, its all a scam the control those people try to hold over apartments.

Check craigslist its a great way to judge prices for apartments...make sure you talk to current students or people that live in the city or you might think you are getting a great deal on a nice looking apartment but end up in a crack neighborhood.


I am afraid the fees are worse than that. The fee for a rental is 12-15% of annual rent, which is burning well over 1 month rent. You will be very very fortunate to get away with finding a place without going through a broker, and the no-fee places typically embed the fee in the rent (standard lower at the price). You just have to bite your lip and pay.

If you are moving to NYC, make sure you come well before August to look at the rentals coming through. It is often a wiser move to look early else you will need to rent after school starts - the market turns very quickly, and at the end of July I was quickly looking at September leases. With this being with me as an International student who officially couldn't enter the US on my visa before August 4, you either have to do the canada visa switch, or operate blind with a friend through the school (who you will not have met, most likely!).

August market in NYC is HOT. There are parents running in with check-books and bidding wars starting on their perfect offspring having the perfect apartment. I will never look for an apartment in August in NYC ever again, mark my words. It is a horrible experience.

In any area of downtown NYC you are looking at $1600 low for a studio (LES), converted one bed studios are about $2000, but do exist lower. Fantasize about finding a rent controlled apartment as much you like, and never believe NYC craigslist. It is a spectacular marketing teaser and you will rarely, if ever, see the apartment on the advert. The apartment on the advert that has been there for about 6 months, strangely never being leased as it doesn't exist.
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haha - yes they do, the Palladium. I would really only consider that if I were an International student who couldn't get someone to back my lease, and was on my own. Fortunately I have a relative in the city who has guaranteed my rent - which saves me paying a years rent upfront!

Palladium is pretty fun though. The rooms are small but the MBAs have a floor or two to themselves, so they can break out the booze if they want to (undergrads are on the other floors). The rent there is about $1700 for a small room (twin bed) with internet and bobbins I believe. You can rent for more value on your own if you put in the work, and it is more of an experience. Just you have to be able to secure the lease somehow without it being punitive.

They also offer apartments in Stuyvesant, which are priced absurdly and really in a pretty weird location. I prefer living in my apartment with crackheads next door, but that is me. I can walk to school (though many other students think it is way too far - 15 mins, no alternative to walking really - no subway, no real bus service) and hang in all the great bars round here. Plus my girlfriend can live with me, which is impossible in the Palladium.

That way I was looking at here ($1800 1bed, 7th & Avenue B) versus about $3000 for a 1-bed in Stuyvesant. And trust me, my apartment is was the 20th I saw and worked out cheap. I have seen some bat-**** crazy apartments in my search (showers in the kitchen of $2000 1-beds where you could touch the stove while washing)
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My advice is to take this opportunity to learn how to NOT keep up with the Joneses. This is a lesson that will help you throughout life. Spending more money than you have is always a bad idea. What is worse is letting others who are spending money guilt you, or make you feel bad enough that you have to go into debt to keep up. There will be plenty of other students who don't have money to go on every trip. Make sure to make lots of friends so that you never feel like you are missing out.
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This is what I also want to know

I was wondering if the 'living expenses' part of the costs that each school publish on their websites take into consideration such expenses also.
I plan to take a loan for tuition + living expenses, and I want to know how much more extra money I need to have good opportunities during recruiting.
I have also heard from a student at Tuck, that the money you get (to borrow) for living expenses at Tuck are enough for all the expenses you have during recruiting. But this was just one person's opinion and I would love to know what other current b-school students think on this subject.

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Be sure to budget for things like ski trips, spring break, etc...


Okay, how many of those are there?

And concerning recruiting: If I fly out to a company, invited to interview, do I have to carry the cost of travel? Over here, companies that invite you to interview actually have to reimburse, unless they explicitly say they will not.
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Be sure to budget for things like ski trips, spring break, etc...


Okay, how many of those are there?

And concerning recruiting: If I fly out to a company, invited to interview, do I have to carry the cost of travel? Over here, companies that invite you to interview actually have to reimburse, unless they explicitly say they will not.


Too fast... I was editing the post above... Just go look there again.

As to your other q's: Expect many many trip options (see above), some recruiting related, some not. As for invitations to interview, 99% of firms pay for your trip and hotel.
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Rhyme do you have a 1 or 2 bedroom? My wife and I are trying to decide if we need a second bedroom to act as an office with all the class work I will be doing. Seems like there are a lot more 1 bedrooms available and of course those are cheaper.
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What about people with families?
I will have a wife and 2 kids. If I`m in the USA, she won`t be able to work.
Stuff like those pre-term trips etc. Are families encouraged? If so, costs would escalate :o
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I know at Kellogg significant others are encouraged to join the pre-term trips. Not sure if other schools have the same policy, I know Kellogg is supposed to be one of the more family friendly schools. If your wife does go on the trips just double all those figures, so yes its going to add up that much faster. Especially if she cant get a visa, it seemed common for internationals to both go to grad school at the same time...I have met more than a few students and alums whose wives/husbands were doing in some sort of advanced degree program at the same time.
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I know at Kellogg significant others are encouraged to join the pre-term trips. Not sure if other schools have the same policy, I know Kellogg is supposed to be one of the more family friendly schools. If your wife does go on the trips just double all those figures, so yes its going to add up that much faster. Especially if she cant get a visa, it seemed common for internationals to both go to grad school at the same time...I have met more than a few students and alums whose wives/husbands were doing in some sort of advanced degree program at the same time.


not an option for us because our kids will be both under 3 years old. So will also have to pay 3x to pay for the kids as well :o
Besides, an advanced degree program is not necessary for her career (International School Teacher)
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Rhyme do you have a 1 or 2 bedroom? My wife and I are trying to decide if we need a second bedroom to act as an office with all the class work I will be doing. Seems like there are a lot more 1 bedrooms available and of course those are cheaper.


I have a 3bd, but I own... Some families, particularly those with dogs or kids opted for 2 or even in some cases, 3bds. Some chose a 1bd. Honestly, I think a lot of it just depends on where you want to live and whether or not your spouse works / makes good money / how much you care about having stainless steel appliances instead of a 1970s gas stove, etc...

Personally, I find myself on campus so often that I use the office less now than I did when I wasn't in school. Of course, it is helpful to have it at night or on weekends when I study and don't want to make the trek to campus. If you end up living next door to Kellogg, (check out the park evanston and evanston place), having a 1bd will be less of an issue since you can just walk to campus to study. Also, my friends at Kellogg talk (and often complain) of the frequent group meetings, so there seems to be a tendency for people to end up on campus pretty frequently anyway. Also keep in mind that, even though Kellogg's facilities don't really support the class size, they have finally added locks to their study rooms, so at least you wont get undergrads squatting in there anymore.

If you are looking for a good place to live check out https://www.evanstonplaceapts.com/ -- I lived there for two years while I worked at Kellogg, its a two minute walk and it was fine with my girlfriend at the time.

https://www.evanstonplaceapts.com/unit_f ... n_id=10649

I lived in that unit, and turned part of hte living room wall into a study area. If you go there, consider getting a unit on the 6th (i think) floor - its the floor with the pool, so you can walk in and out of your unit directly onto the sun deck (rather than on to a small deck). Back then it ran me about $1500 a month I think.
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Stuff like those pre-term trips etc. Are families encouraged? If so, costs would escalate :o


I reduced the numbers to represent 1 person. The pre-term trip I did on my own, but if we had gone together it would have been 2x. The total cost for 2 of us for the ski trip was close to $5,000, though that included almost $1400 worth of new equipment. The bahamas trip was also twice as much as I listed.
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I reduced the numbers to represent 1 person. The pre-term trip I did on my own, but if we had gone together it would have been 2x. The total cost for 2 of us for the ski trip was close to $5,000, though that included almost $1400 worth of new equipment. The bahamas trip was also twice as much as I listed.


are kids encouraged to come along?
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