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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 17 Jun 2008, 12:34
Great! Here goes...

-Male, Caucasian, 25 at time of application
-3.4 GPA in architecture from University of Michigan
-730 GMAT (taken last August), 44 V (97%) 47 Q (81%) 6.0 AWA

Work Experience: 3.5 years (at time of application) as project designer at small Manhattan architecture firm (I'll go into more detail below).

Volunteer Experience: Ongoing working relationship (8+ months) with Manhattan nonprofit firm promoting urban agriculture and sustainable urban development. My role is to provide design expertise for architecture that would support agriculture or other environmentally responsible practices, then provide artwork to be used by the firm in its marketing materials. I currently devote about 10 hrs/week to this pursuit.

Extracurriculars: In college I worked a number of jobs, including a facilities job at the UM Law School (was promoted to student manager after about a year) and refereeing intramural sports. Also participated in numerous intramural sports while in school. I hadn't done much since college in this regard, however.

Goals: I am looking to divert my career path from architecture to real estate development. I am particularly interested in driving development that is environmentally and socially responsible, and hope to own my own real estate firm in the future.

Schools: Northwestern (extreme reach!), Berkeley (reach), UT-Austin, UNC, Arizona State, maybe one or two others that aren't too farfetched.

Right, about the work and leadership experience: I know that my lack of leadership experience will be my greatest weakness in the application review process. I have been the point man on a number of projects and my recommenders will attest to my work, but I haven't held a formal position of leadership. I recently spoke to my bosses about increasing my role as a leader and they were very accommodating. Also, I'm planning to take on more volunteer work in the very near future. Based on what I've read, though, I'm skeptical that my leadership profile will stand out significantly from other applicants at the top programs on my list. I'm primarily marketing myself as an individual with strong academics, an unconventional professional background and focused career goals.


With regard to Haas, does it look like I'll have a chance? Thanks a bunch, kryzak!
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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 17 Jun 2008, 13:09
So, why isn't Ross MBA/Erb MS combo not on your list? Unless you dont want to come back to Ann Arbor.

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Great! Here goes...

-Male, Caucasian, 25 at time of application
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Goals: I am looking to divert my career path from architecture to real estate development. I am particularly interested in driving development that is environmentally and socially responsible, and hope to own my own real estate firm in the future.


With regard to Haas, does it look like I'll have a chance? Thanks a bunch, kryzak!
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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 17 Jun 2008, 13:49
I've given that a good deal of thought, and I've concluded two things: First, that I don't think that I want to go back to school for three years (the dual program is three, correct?) when I can accomplish what I want to accomplish in two. Second, I hold my undergrad years in Ann Arbor in very high regard - I loved being there for four years and I will always be thankful for the opportunities UM has granted me. Frankly, I don't want my positive memories of UM to be colored differently by a different experience received while getting my MBA.

On the other hand, Ann Arbor represents a place and culture, not to mention a climate, with which I know that I'm comfortable, so it's always in the back of my mind as a potential MBA location. Go blue!
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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 17 Jun 2008, 17:18
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So, why isn't Ross MBA/Erb MS combo not on your list? Unless you dont want to come back to Ann Arbor.


Erb? :P

Now now NC, trying to recruit potential Haas people in a Haas thread? That's bad etiquette you know. :wink:

But anyway PHoyle, from your goals, I think Haas is a very good fit for you. The Net Impact awareness of your architectural work and volunteering will definitely stand out in the application and is a great fit for the socially responsible culture of Haas. The Real Estate program at Haas is also strong, combined with a top Architecture school where there may be joint classes with the business school (not sure, but I'm sure you can use your credits on a couple classes in that college).

With that said, you have a good understanding of your own candidacy and know what you need to emphasize. I'm sure if you look deeper into what you've done in school or at work (or your extracurriculars), you can find *some* kind of leadership. Remember, leadership does NOT have to be a formal position or something where you lead a huge group of people. I never had formal leadership positions at work, as all my leadership comes from volunteering groups within and outside of the company. The only leadership claim I have is unofficially leading a group of 15 engineers on a task for a few months, without the title. But I described many things I've done in a way that it demonstrates my understanding of how to lead a group (time management, delegation of work, planning, scheduling, how to deal with interpersonal problems, etc...)

with your background, I like your academics and GMAT, hovering above the mean. Your unusual background (not that many architecture professionals applying) and your perfect fit goals (with Haas's culture) should stand you out in the sea of applications.

I would call Haas a "cautious on par" school for you. The "cautious" comes from Haas' small class size (thus very low admit rate). I think if you focus a lot of your efforts on Haas (visiting, understanding the classes that will help you reach your goal, talking to the Net Impact and Sustainability clubs, and telling a very convincing story), you have a good chance of getting in. Of course, those things are NOT easy to do, so don't take it for granted. Start your essays and research now. I can get you in contact with some Net Impact people so you can start the discussion. Try to swing by for classes (if you're not too far away) or the summer info session at the end of July.

Since I also applied to Kellogg, I can say Kellogg is probably a reach school (not super-reach though) if you do the same research (visiting is not as important, but understanding their culture IS) on it. They're not as big on real estate and Net Impact, but the general program is so strong you'll do just fine there too.

As for your school list:

I would focus a lot of efforts on Kellogg and Haas. I think your profile will get you into at least one of the rest (Austin, UNC, and Arizona State) if you re-use parts of your essays from Kellogg and Haas.

I would probably recommend throwing in UCLA as a possible school for real estate, and maybe one of the East Coast schools (I think Cornell is good at real estate if you can stand living in Ithaca?).

You have a good enough profile to take a chance on the top 10 schools, you just have to cover your weakness (the leadership part) and make sure the rest of your application is flawless.

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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 18 Jun 2008, 05:21
kryzak,

That helps a great deal, thank you. I view Haas as my top school right now; I think your input confirms that it offers a great program based on what I would like to do. Any edge I can get to get in, therefore, is greatly appreciated. If you don't mind giving me some Net Impact contacts, I'd be very grateful. Thanks again!

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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 18 Jun 2008, 12:40
I have a very similar profile as you phoyle (I want to to sustainable land development as well), except I currently work in land development, and my degree was in history (UCLA). I do budget coordination for about 6 projects, but I want to move into the acquisition and design phases of development. I'm still toying with Haas myself, all the best! 8-)
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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 19 Jun 2008, 12:15
Always nice to hear from someone with similar interests, Victory! What led you to development from a history background?
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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 19 Jun 2008, 13:47
Kryzak, my "Haas only" admission consultant friend.

29y/o Male, 2.8 UG eng, 3.8 Masters Eng, 780 GMAT
6 solid years of WE (worked my way up, solid accomplishments), good leadership and EC
Want to move into consulting, high-tech management afterwards (hence, SF bay area is perfect)

Is the UG gpa going to kill me? I've heard public schools prefer >3.0 (UCLA, Darden, Berkeley, Ross)
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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 26 Jun 2008, 01:00
Here you go everyone!

BTW, ONLY Short Answer #1 is different. Everything else is the same as the Fall 2008 Essay Questions. The 2008 short answer #1 was "If you can invite someone past or present for dinner, who would it be and why?"

Again, for optional essays, ONLY write something if you have a major deficiency to address, or if you have another aspect of your candidacy you want to bring out. I wrote a 500 word essay discussing my volunteering activities for the optional essay (also for UCLA), just for your reference.

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Listed below are the supplemental questions, short answer questions, required essays, and optional essays for the fall 2009 application.

Supplemental Questions:

1. If you have not provided a letter of recommendation from your current supervisor, please explain; otherwise, enter N/A.
2. List in order of importance all community & professional organizations and extracurricular activities in which you have been involved during or after university studies. Indicate the nature of the activity or organization, dates of involvement, offices held, & average number of hours spent per month.
3. List full-time and part-time jobs held during undergraduate or graduate studies, indicating the employer, job title, employment dates, location, and the number of hours worked per week for each position held prior to the completion of your degree.
4. Please explain all gaps in your employment since earning your university degree.
5. Please identify the course(s) you have taken or intend to take to demonstrate quantitative proficiency. Provide the course name, date, grade if any, and institution at which the course was or will be taken. If you wish, you may discuss other ways in which you have demonstrated strong quantitative abilities.
6. If you have ever been subject to academic discipline, placed on probation, suspended or required to withdraw from any college or university, please explain. If not, please enter N/A. (An affirmative response to this question does not automatically disqualify you from admission.)

Short Answer:

1. If you could change one thing you've done in your life, what would it be, and how would you do it differently? (250 word maximum)
2. Tell us about your most significant accomplishment. (250 word maximum)
3. At Haas, we value innovation and creativity. Describe an innovative solution you have created to address a specific challenge. (250 word maximum)
4. What steps have you taken to learn about the Berkeley MBA program, and what factors have influenced your decision to apply? (250 word maximum)

Required Essays:

1. Give us an example of a situation in which you displayed leadership. (500 word maximum)
2. What are your short-term and long-term career goals? How do your professional experiences relate to these goals? Why do you want an MBA from Berkeley at this point in your career? (1000 word maximum)

Optional Essays:

1. (Optional) Please feel free to provide a statement concerning any information you would like to add to your application that you haven’t addressed elsewhere. (500 word maximum)
2. (Optional) If you wish to be considered for the Haas Achievement Award (for individuals who have achieved success in spite of significant economic, educational, health-related and/or other obstacles), please use this space to address the obstacles you have overcome. (750 word maximum)
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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 26 Jun 2008, 11:17
Hi,

I am thinking of applying for Haas as well. I haven't been able to visit the school yet but will visit when this fall semester begins. I hope I won't be blinded by the beauty of the area and the school.

I am wondering how I should explain about the time that I took to do my mandatory military service in Korea, which was 26 months. Would this be considered as community service? I always appreciate the experience from the service, but it was a big setback to my career progress.

Thanks for your thoughts.
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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 26 Jun 2008, 11:45
sng, I think the adcoms know very well about the mandatory military services of countries such as Korea, Taiwan, and Israel (among others). Most people lose about 2 years to the service and it doesn't really need to be explained in detail. I think having it on the resume should be enough. As for impact to career progress, if you had some good experiences in the military, like leadership roles, or teamwork stories, I would definitely use one of the essays to talk about the experience.

Finally, to get a more official answer, I would call up the Haas adcom just to see what they say about this. I'm sure they'll be happy to answer your questions.

In short, don't worry too much about it, but include your experiences in your essays if you can to enrich your candidacy. :)

Let me know when you visit the area, I can definitely meet up if I'm around.
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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 26 Jun 2008, 16:43
kryzak, how familiar are you with the management of technology program at Haas? My goal is to move to consulting for a few years then a leadership position at a high-tech company. Does this program place into consulting firms, or is it more for corporate placement like MIT's LFM program?
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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 26 Jun 2008, 18:15
hi soni, I can't speak with authority on this subject, since my knowledge of it is limited, but based on my own research a year ago, I think the MoT program generally tries to place you into high-tech companies as opposed to consulting firms. With that said, nothing is stopping you from interviewing and getting an internship or job with a top consulting firm, and then using your MoT a few years down the road for your long term goal, right? :wink:

Once it gets closer to school starting, I can help you find some people doing the MoT program and see what I can find out. From what I've seen (sat in one of their classes and spoke with some MoT students), the classes are filled with 1/3 MBA, 1/3 Engineering, and 1/3 Life Sciences people. So there will be lots of tech company or startup focus.

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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2008, 09:13
Thank you for your thoughts and offer, kryzak.

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1. Give us an example of a situation in which you displayed leadership.


To answer the required essay #1, what do you guys think of writing about? Experience from your professional situation or non-professional? Would a professional situation make a predictable topic?
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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2008, 11:22
hi sng,

I think you may be overthinking this. Just remember a general rule of hand, try to mix in 50-75% professional related stories in your essays, and use the rest for non-professional/extracurricular stuff.

For example, here is how I broke down my essays last year to maintain a balance (and to show that you have a life outside of work =P)

Short Answers:
1. Non-Work (Tennis)
2. Non-Work (Tennis) - Yes, a lot of my reviewers commented that I should not talk about tennis twice, but I believed that 2 short answers will emphasize the importance of the sport in my life.
3. Work related extracurricular activity to show innovation
4. Talk about Haas

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1. Work Related, but non-engineering and non-technical - showed leadership and innovation at the same time
2. All work related

Optional:
1. Extracurricular/Volunteering

So about 1000 words of my essays were on non-work related things, 1750 were work related, but not necessarily engineering related (my background) or even business development related (what I'm doing now).

As long as you tell a good story that represents different aspects of you and what you've done, both in and outside of work, you will do well.
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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2008, 17:15
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I think you may be overthinking this.

You guessed it right. Yes, I am... :lol: Seriously, the essay questions from these MBA schools will give my brain some wrinkles.

Since leadership is a must-have trait as a manager, I feel that writing about my experience at work wouldn't be good enough. Should I use a situation where there was a goal to achieve as a group but without a team hierarchy?

I have one last over thinking and agonizing question for the day. While Short Answer #4 is about Haas, do I still need to write something specific about Haas again in Required Essays #2? Or do I just explain why I need an MBA now?

Required Essay #2 '...Why do you want an MBA from Berkeley at this point in your career?'

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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 29 Jun 2008, 02:11
sng, don't worry, as applicants, we all overthink quite a bit. Just be assured that it'll all turn out well in the end if you do a good job. :) (I know, it's easy for me to say this :P)

But any good leadership experience is good. For example, I used one at work that has nothing to do with my background or even business. It was all about leading a team of volunteers where there is a team hierarchy, but I had no direct power over them. I talked a lot about how to motivate a team from cross-functional organizations and why they were willing to listen to me. Also talk about concrete results of your "leadership" actions.

As for Short #4 and Long #2, it's a common question for Haas applicants. I had this question when I applied, so you're not really overthinking.

Here's the difference (as far as I convinced myself :wink:):

For Short #4, they want to know the specific ACTIONS you took to get to know Haas. Websites, talking to students, infosessions, class visits, learning about clubs, etc... and WHY (why is VERY important in ALL your essays) those activities made you want to go to Haas even more. Yes, doing that in 250 words is quite a challenge, but you just have to be brief, concise and to the point.

For Long #2, they want to know why Haas' MBA degree can help you achieve your short and long term goals. This is where you talk about Haas' curriculum, strong points, professional clubs, programs that help you succeed in your career, etc...

Very fine line, but if you think about it, the difference is there. I would say Short #4 wants to know exact actions and what you like about Haas' culture, while Long #2 wants to know how Haas affects you CAREER wise and the professional reasons you're picking Haas over other schools to apply to.

The other strategy is to have a list of reasons why you want to go to Haas, and just talk about some of them in the short answer and the rest in the long essay. I thought of it as a great way to give myself more room to talk about "Why Haas". :)

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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 29 Jun 2008, 20:34
kryzak, thanks for the clarification! It makes sense.

Have a great week! 8-)
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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 01 Jul 2008, 09:24
kryzak,
I'm planning on visiting Haas in the fall and applying R2. Hopefully we can meet up. It worked out well at the GSB with rhyme.
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Re: Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2009 Applicants [#permalink] New post 01 Jul 2008, 11:27
sure thing, just let me know when and we can try to meet up and I'll show you around. Hopefully it'll be as good as your visit with rhyme :)
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