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09 May 2008, 13:59
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I just did some back of the envelope calculations I'd like to add to the discussion. J Term class size is roughly 190. Assuming the yield is 77% - and if that's overall yield then I think in reality J Term yield is closer to 100% because there really is no other competition in terms of top ranked programs starting in January, especially since J Term has a lot of new yorkers just looking for an accelerated program that allows them to get their ticket stamped and not have to move from NYC. But, anyway, conservatively estimate 77% that means they need to accept around 247 applicants. If the yield were 90% for J Term, they only need to accept 211. So, for them to have a 10% acceptance rate for J Term they would need between 2,110 and 2,470 applicants. This is less than the number of applicants for tiny, remote location programs like Tuck, Yale and Cornell. For a school in NYC and a program popular with NYC bankers that don't want to leave, I think its pretty reasonable they would hit these application numbers. If so..... Sept 07 acceptance rates are actually above 16%

In response to this post, you're looking at it the wrong way. If CBS has a full-time acceptance rate of 15% of about 5000 applicants, of which 70% matriculate then thats 525 students in full-time. If 190 J-Termers matriculate, using 77%, and the acceptance rate is 29%, which I think is the real number, the number of of applicants is 850. Do the weighted average acceptance rate and you have 17% on the dot. That's where the J-Term acceptance rate brings the overall acceptance rate down. But, don't be fooled! J-Term, from what I hear, is tough tough tough to get in!
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09 May 2008, 14:44
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IHateTheGMAT wrote:
I just did some back of the envelope calculations I'd like to add to the discussion. J Term class size is roughly 190. Assuming the yield is 77% - and if that's overall yield then I think in reality J Term yield is closer to 100% because there really is no other competition in terms of top ranked programs starting in January, especially since J Term has a lot of new yorkers just looking for an accelerated program that allows them to get their ticket stamped and not have to move from NYC. But, anyway, conservatively estimate 77% that means they need to accept around 247 applicants. If the yield were 90% for J Term, they only need to accept 211. So, for them to have a 10% acceptance rate for J Term they would need between 2,110 and 2,470 applicants. This is less than the number of applicants for tiny, remote location programs like Tuck, Yale and Cornell. For a school in NYC and a program popular with NYC bankers that don't want to leave, I think its pretty reasonable they would hit these application numbers. If so..... Sept 07 acceptance rates are actually above 16%

In response to this post, you're looking at it the wrong way. If CBS has a full-time acceptance rate of 15% of about 5000 applicants, of which 70% matriculate then thats 525 students in full-time. If 190 J-Termers matriculate, using 77%, and the acceptance rate is 29%, which I think is the real number, the number of of applicants is 850. Do the weighted average acceptance rate and you have 17% on the dot. That's where the J-Term acceptance rate brings the overall acceptance rate down. But, don't be fooled! J-Term, from what I hear, is tough tough tough to get in!

Have you been told that the J Term acceptance rate is 29%?

And as far as ED not helping Columbia manage its yield much, I think it actually makes a big impact on yield. Like you said, it gets a really bad rap for ED so if it didn't help them why wouldn't they just get rid of it? Also, Clear Admit claims that Columbia takes 40% of it's class ED. That's a pretty big number and it's clearly done in an effort to manage yield and acceptance rates.

Just FYI, I'm actually planning to apply to Columbia ED and it is my top choice. So I'm not trying to denigrate the school or it's selectivity. Also, congrats on your admit and thanks for all the useful insights you give to us CBS 09 hopefuls!
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09 May 2008, 18:13
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IHateTheGMAT wrote:
I just did some back of the envelope calculations I'd like to add to the discussion. J Term class size is roughly 190. Assuming the yield is 77% - and if that's overall yield then I think in reality J Term yield is closer to 100% because there really is no other competition in terms of top ranked programs starting in January, especially since J Term has a lot of new yorkers just looking for an accelerated program that allows them to get their ticket stamped and not have to move from NYC. But, anyway, conservatively estimate 77% that means they need to accept around 247 applicants. If the yield were 90% for J Term, they only need to accept 211. So, for them to have a 10% acceptance rate for J Term they would need between 2,110 and 2,470 applicants. This is less than the number of applicants for tiny, remote location programs like Tuck, Yale and Cornell. For a school in NYC and a program popular with NYC bankers that don't want to leave, I think its pretty reasonable they would hit these application numbers. If so..... Sept 07 acceptance rates are actually above 16%

In response to this post, you're looking at it the wrong way. If CBS has a full-time acceptance rate of 15% of about 5000 applicants, of which 70% matriculate then thats 525 students in full-time. If 190 J-Termers matriculate, using 77%, and the acceptance rate is 29%, which I think is the real number, the number of of applicants is 850. Do the weighted average acceptance rate and you have 17% on the dot. That's where the J-Term acceptance rate brings the overall acceptance rate down. But, don't be fooled! J-Term, from what I hear, is tough tough tough to get in!

Have you been told that the J Term acceptance rate is 29%?

And as far as ED not helping Columbia manage its yield much, I think it actually makes a big impact on yield. Like you said, it gets a really bad rap for ED so if it didn't help them why wouldn't they just get rid of it? Also, Clear Admit claims that Columbia takes 40% of it's class ED. That's a pretty big number and it's clearly done in an effort to manage yield and acceptance rates.

Just FYI, I'm actually planning to apply to Columbia ED and it is my top choice. So I'm not trying to denigrate the school or it's selectivity. Also, congrats on your admit and thanks for all the useful insights you give to us CBS 09 hopefuls!

Yes, I've been told that the J-Term acceptance rate is approximately 29%.

I agree that ED impacts yield to a certain extent because they are not going to employ a method that does not work, but I don't think that extent is the sandbag levels that people think. I have not looked at Clear Admit, but what are the other yields from other schools' first round acceptances?

IHTG, I never thought you were criticizing the school, I love discussing Columbia since it is the next major step in my life! If you have not done so, and you are able to, please try to visit the school. It will make a difference in the quality of your application. And, of course, when you plan on visiting, PM me and we will figure out a plan.

Keep the lively discussions a comin'!
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10 May 2008, 08:02
IHTG,
It just came to me that you already visited the school recently, so congrats on that! How'd it go?!?! I have to keep better track of who is applying to Columbia next year! Rhyme was masterful at that this year.
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10 May 2008, 14:01
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12 May 2008, 09:31
hmmm... I don't think the acceptance rate matters all that much. If Columbia is your first choice, the fact you are able to know the result much sooner is good.
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14 May 2008, 19:04
For those of you who are applying ED this Fall - when are you planning to visit campus?

I am not convinced that I want to apply ED yet, and I will definitely need to visit campus in order to make the judgement call. I am booked solid for May and June so far, which leaves me the months of July and August.

Does CBS allow visitors in July and August? Can you get a good feel for the school in July/August?

If I apply ED, I will most likely want to submit right around mid-August so I can possibly receive a decision before submitting a few R1 apps.
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15 May 2008, 05:38
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For those of you who are applying ED this Fall - when are you planning to visit campus?

Does CBS allow visitors in July and August? Can you get a good feel for the school in July/August?

CBS does not have anything going on July or August, so you will not get a good feel for the school. I think applying in August is for those who have already visited the school the prior year or plan to visit after they submit--but already know that they want to go to CBS. I suggest that you visit the school early September, and if you've already been working on the essays you can submit the app right after you visit. Submitting your app in September is still early enough in the game to get the advantage. And, if you do not like the school enough to apply ED, just postpone your app until RD.

For everyone who knows that they want to apply ED, you can submit your app in August and then visit the school in September. I submitted my app in mid-September, and I wrote in my Optional Essay that I would be visiting at the end of September. Seemed to work out well.
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16 May 2008, 09:12
Hello,

I am planning to apply for ED as well. A month ago I visited Columbia through their student host program. It was really good. I recommend it to everyone who's applying for Columbia.

djhouse, congratulations on your admit! Lucky you! The school has such a beautiful campus and friendly students.
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18 May 2008, 18:46
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Hello,

I am planning to apply for ED as well. A month ago I visited Columbia through their student host program. It was really good. I recommend it to everyone who's applying for Columbia.

djhouse, congratulations on your admit! Lucky you! The school has such a beautiful campus and friendly students.

Thank you! Let me know if I can be of help!
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21 May 2008, 08:21
Thanks djhouse for offering your help. Thanks to everyone who's sharing valuable knowledge from their 2008 application process.

*** I recently received a PM message about essay service from "Roy2008." Did anyone else get it?
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22 May 2008, 03:02
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Thanks djhouse for offering your help. Thanks to everyone who's sharing valuable knowledge from their 2008 application process.

*** I recently received a PM message about essay service from "Roy2008." Did anyone else get it?

I got an email from him too. As far as I'm concerned he's just an advertisement spammer. He has one post on these boards and it was moved and edited by a moderator.
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23 May 2008, 00:37
Hi DJHouse:
I'm a huge fan of CBS. The school had always been my first choice. Anyway, m planning to apply for Fall 2009 ED. Can you help evaluate my qualifications?
It would really help.
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23 May 2008, 05:01
Hi DJHouse:
I'm a huge fan of CBS. The school had always been my first choice. Anyway, m planning to apply for Fall 2009 ED. Can you help evaluate my qualifications?
It would really help.
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Sure, I will evaluate your profile, PM me. But, know that what I say means nothing if you do or do not have the quality application to go with it.
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23 May 2008, 05:06
accepted.com posted their analysis on the J-term essay topics analysis. In the practice and theory topic, it says 'Ideally, you would want to use an example where you used management principles to guide your team, office company, or club in solving a problem or completing a project.'

I found it to be an interesting idea. This essay can be used as leadership and teamwork essay as well. eh... except I have no idea what the management principles are. I think I'm going to stick with my original idea something I knew. But, this could be something you guys can use if you have experience with.
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27 May 2008, 08:08
I've been learning more about the HC and Pharma mgmt program Columbia has and am pretty impressed.

One thing I'm wondering: when you apply to a specific program such as HC/Pharma mgmt - is your app considered only in the context of that program or the entire business school? Do they look for fit at both?

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27 May 2008, 11:48
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I've been learning more about the HC and Pharma mgmt program Columbia has and am pretty impressed.

One thing I'm wondering: when you apply to a specific program such as HC/Pharma mgmt - is your app considered only in the context of that program or the entire business school? Do they look for fit at both?

cheers,
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Businessdoc is going that route, if I remember correctly, so he would be better suited to answer this quesiton. Nevertheless, I'll take a crack at it! Your fit will definitely be with the CBS program because you will be still be working with classmates from the entire business school. However, you will need to substantiate fit with the HC/Pharma program. The "fit" that I am refering to is your reasoning for why you want to be part of that program, such as past WE or EC's in HC or Pharma industries. While other students are not part of that program will express their fit with entire school as well as other areas of the school, such as Value Investing, you will need to express your fit with the entire school and the HC/Pharma program.
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27 May 2008, 13:33
ac8706,
I am a Class of 2010 admit and will be pursuing a healthcare track at Columbia. While I think its most important to show enthusiasm for Columbia in general, the ways in which your application expresses your individual fit will be most important. I'm sure most Columbia applicants cite the New York City location and Columbia's reputation, for example, as reasons they are interested in the school, but, by appealing to your specific track (healthcare), you can really convince the adcom that you will contribute to Columbia and that Columbia will help you reach your future goals in the healthcare/pharma industry.
Also, I don't know this for a fact, but I do think that the directors of each specific program have a close link to admissions. I met with the director of the healthcare program when I was on the waitlist to discuss my goals, and I'm convinced it made all the difference; I was admitted shortly thereafter. He was candid with me, and told me that the supply of healthcare administration jobs exceeds the number of students interested in the provider side (which I am). Similarly, he told me that they were seeking to admit students from healthcare orgs that were not currently recruiting at Columbia, and he mentioned a specific company based on the West Coast.
Obviously, some of these factors will be outside of your control, but I do think its in your best interest to do all the research you can on the healthcare track and be sure to be very specific about how that program will contribute to your future success.
I'm happy to help in any way I can. I plan on becoming very involved with the Healthcare Industry Association when school starts, so I can keep you abreast of events and opportunities for prospective students.
Good luck!
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27 May 2008, 17:01
Of the three active GMAT Clubbers who are going to CBS in the Fall, two are geared towards the Healthcare program. Pretty cool, considering the finance rep!
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