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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 06:38
Wow - the deadline is still 12 days away, folks. we have a most conscientious bunch of people applying to Cornell this year! now if only I could finish up my essay 3 in the next few days, I'd be in good shape to submit as well.

Cereal255 - done with your Park Fellowship essay yet?
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 06:51
Yeah, I finished it up a few days ago. Since it was just a fairly generic leadership essay I already had most of it thought out which was nice.

Of course, trimming it down to 400 words is always a challenge on these Cornell essays.

Now I'm trying to put the pressure on my recommenders so that I can go complete soon...
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 07:34
Oh wait so you actually submit without the recommendations being received?
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 07:51
Yes, you can submit the application without the recommendations being received. I was told that they would be in around the time I submitted but my recommenders are being slow.

I think they just add it to your profile as they come in.
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 10:51
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Quick question guys! How stringent is the Cornell word limit? I am at 423 words on essay 2. Should i edit my essay further?

Just a bit of a follow up from this question earlier in the week:

I just checked out the essay upload section of the actual online app for Cornell and noticed that the word limit is in bold, red, AND italicized (400 word limit). Take that for what it's worth...

I know that there is this "rule of thumb" (and quite honestly I have NO IDEA where this was originated - 10 kudos if you can show me an official document that shows meeting minutes from an M7 meeting discussing the 10% rule :-D )

I copied and pasted my take on this "10% rule" that I just posted earlier this morning in the Ross thread:

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Writing essays adhering to the word limit is tough.


Tough is an understatement. I started off with a 580 word career goal essay. Brought it down to 534 now. This essay is testing my editing skills to the hilt. I am thinking if I should leave it at that (hoping they wont mind +-10%). What are you guys doing?


Wow, my first draft of the goals essay was more near 750 words! I think I've managed to bring it down to about 570. My gf is a great writer, so she has no problem telling me what to cut. :-D I plan to be at or below the limit. I'm the conservative type and unless it specifically says recommended (i.e., Columbia) or has strange guidelines (i.e., Tuck), I'm sticking to the rules. The way I see it is that thousands of people have been able to stick to the rules over the years. My case is no more different or special than any of the other folks that have been admitted at Ross (or any other top school), so I will stick to the limits. 34 words is maybe 1-1.5 sentences. Have someone else take a pass at your essay. I guarantee you can get it to 500 or below.


I realize that there may be a flood of objections to what may be an unpopular opinion, but I'm simply making observations and providing an alternative point of view.

In any event, good luck finishing up the apps. My Rd1 Cornell app should be ready to rock by next weekend!!
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 12:43
There was an interview with the head of admissions at Cornell where he said something like 410 was fine but much more than that was definitely a problem.

I'll probably push it a little on the goals essay - maybe 410 or 415 - and stay under 400 for the other 2.
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 12:54
IHateTheGMAT wrote:
There was an interview with the head of admissions at Cornell where he said something like 410 was fine but much more than that was definitely a problem.

I'll probably push it a little on the goals essay - maybe 410 or 415 - and stay under 400 for the other 2.


I think I recall you telling me this. Nevertheless, the way I see it, is if you are at 410, you can sure as heck cut 10 more words. I KNOW IT IS PAINFUL! Example "The immersion program will provide really valuable hands-on learning experience..." You can cut out the word really. You need to aggresively attack (hey-you can cut out aggresively-just another example :)) your essay and determine what adds value. Is there a difference between really valuable and valuable ? - hopefully you can answer this, no. :)

Maybe the last chapter of our life story TOC can be "Trouble found trying to keep within word limits."
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 12:58
Dude, don't use my hands on learning experience line 8-) haha
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 13:34
IHateTheGMAT wrote:
Dude, don't use my hands on learning experience line 8-) haha


LOL - What a shocker - we have similar material in our essays!!! How bout you can keep the hands-on stuff and I'll discuss the immersion program? ;)
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 13:43
I thought I coined the phrase "hands-on" specifically for my Cornell essay.....jeez.....
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 14:13
raabenb wrote:
I thought I coined the phrase "hands-on" specifically for my Cornell essay.....jeez.....


Haha! We may have to pull straws then!
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 29 Sep 2008, 12:52
Application went under review!! I thought Cornell would only review AFTER the deadline - guess not. I am not complaining.

Fingers crossed.
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 29 Sep 2008, 13:46
Just so everyone knows, I was told by the admissions coordinator (Michael Corbett) that you should try and get your apps submitted in either R1 or R2.

I thought Cornell's R1 was more like the ED rounds at other schools, but apparently not. I was going to wait until R3 to submit, but it looks like I'll be hammering out the essay for R2.

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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 29 Sep 2008, 14:59
refurb wrote:
Just so everyone knows, I was told by the admissions coordinator (Michael Corbett) that you should try and get your apps submitted in either R1 or R2.

I thought Cornell's R1 was more like the ED rounds at other schools, but apparently not. I was going to wait until R3 to submit, but it looks like I'll be hammering out the essay for R2.

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Did he imply that submitting in R1 or R2 gave you a noticeably better chance of getting admitted than R3?
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 29 Sep 2008, 15:20
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refurb wrote:
Just so everyone knows, I was told by the admissions coordinator (Michael Corbett) that you should try and get your apps submitted in either R1 or R2.

I thought Cornell's R1 was more like the ED rounds at other schools, but apparently not. I was going to wait until R3 to submit, but it looks like I'll be hammering out the essay for R2.

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Did he imply that submitting in R1 or R2 gave you a noticeably better chance of getting admitted than R3?


He did. His exact words were "Try and get your app in either this round (meaning R1) or by the November deadline. We are going to have A LOT of people applying this year."

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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 29 Sep 2008, 15:23
That's how I read it IHateTheGMAT, R1 and R2 are relatively easier. Cornell's R3 (which is really R2 at other schools) a lot of applicants who've been rejected from their top choice schools start looking at schools a bit lower on the rankings totem pole. So it obviously become more competitive then.

Also, as sterny's experience indicates, his application went under review a full week before the deadline, it does seem there's some truth to what my student ambassador told me about the admissions process being more or less rolling in nature.
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 29 Sep 2008, 18:08
I visited school last week, and had great experience. Everyone was REALLY nice, and the professor whose class I sat in on even had me introduce myself to class.

I agree with earlier statements, there will be large increase in applications, and of course get it in only when you feel it is ready, but i suspect round 3 is going to have very very few open spots.
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 30 Sep 2008, 04:06
I had a status change to incomplete so they're looking at apps for sure. I'm going to go strangle my recommenders now since they're being so slow.... argh
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 04 Oct 2008, 06:40
Yaay! I just submitted my application to Cornell, too. My recommenders are still AWOL, so I'm hoping they can finish by tomorrow so I'm officially "complete" by the time the Monday deadline rolls around. I think it's a bad idea to tell recommenders that an application deadline is on a weekend. My last application to another school, I told them the deadline was a Wednesday and both had finished and submitted their recommendations the Saturday before! I need to keep doing this, it seems.

Oh, and I must say now that I am done, I actually enjoyed writing that whole "table of contents" for the story of my life thing. I still have to think about that Park essay (assuming I'm invited to apply for it, of course) and then it's on to school # 3!

Good luck, everyone. Do keep posting any status updates on this thread.
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 04 Oct 2008, 07:44
my status officially changed to "Under Review" a couple of days ago. Looking forward to good news!
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