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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 21 Sep 2008, 14:43
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On one of the accepted.com chats, an admissions representative from Cornell was asked this exact question and she said she thought 440 words was a little too much. I would only follow the +10% rule on essays with "recommended" or "average" word limits.

In my opinion, unless you will compromise significant content, you should bring your word count down a bit.

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Quick question guys! How stringent is the Cornell word limit? I am at 423 words on essay 2. Should i edit my essay further?


I wouldn't worry about it. I've been following the +10% max rule. So for a 400 word essay you'll be OK going up to 440.

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Thats wht i thought as well! I just edited it further to bring it back to 395. Had to take away something abt "why Cornell" which I would have preferred to keep in!
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 21 Sep 2008, 15:01
Bear in mind that's 62% of a class of 800 students. :wink: And that doesn't count the 14% finding jobs through the career office's contacts, a category Johnson doesn't track separately.

Of course, I'm still completely enthusiastic about Cornell. :-D

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As high as 76% including offers made via career office contacts, but not those through alumni or school contacts.


Interesting!! If we assume that the 62% on-campus recruiting includes those going back to their internship employer, then it's not that much higher than Cornell's 54%.

One thing to note is that a lot more Wharton grads found jobs through school-facilitated programs (9% vs. 2%).

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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 21 Sep 2008, 15:04
solaris1 wrote:
On one of the accepted.com chats, an admissions representative from Cornell was asked this exact question and she said she thought 440 words was a little too much. I would only follow the +10% rule on essays with "recommended" or "average" word limits.

In my opinion, unless you will compromise significant content, you should bring your word count down a bit.


Hmmm... it's not like they count the words right? An extra two sentences can easily add up to 40 words.

I've noticed from the essays that have page limits that there is quite a variation on how many words you can fit in a page. One of my essays is ~460 words, while another one I got almost 500 in. It's pretty hard to determine a word count from overall length.

I'm thinking if you don't push it too much, they won't even notice, but everyone has to make their own decisions.

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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 23 Sep 2008, 20:17
Did my visit today. Overall I'm very impressed. The only other campus I've visited so far is Tuck, so a lot of my comparisons are between the two.

Notable observations:

- Ithaca is in the middle of nowhere. I thought Hanover was remote, but Boston is only 2 hours away. NYC is just over 4 hours from Ithaca. The closest "city" to Ithaca is Syracuse at one hour away.

- Ithaca is a metropolis compared to Hanover. It has a pretty big downtown and a huge university area. Hanover is comprised of two streets.

- Cornell has a massive campus. For having only ~20K students, it's really big and really nice looking.

- Sage Hall is really nice. I'm not sure when it was built but it can't be more than a few years old. It's actually not that big, so it has a cosy feeling. But I don't think there is a lack of space, although some of the students said it can sometimes be hard to find a quiet area to study.

- Just on a personal basis, I thought the students were just as engaging and bright as the ones I met at Tuck. Of course I don't have the opportunity to compare GMAT scores and where they went to undergrad, but if you took a bunch of MBA students from each school and put them in a room together, I couldn't pick them out.

- The trading room they have setup at Sage is pretty dam cool, even if that's not in my post-MBA goals.

Like I said, overall I'm quite impressed. Cornell is definitively one of the elite business schools in the US.

For those who are planning a visit, be aware of the following:

You have the option of going to as many classes as you want. I signed up for a class at 10am (account with Libby, great class), but had enough time to catch another at 11:45 (Marketing with Russo, they had a practice case competition which was neat to watch). The information session and lunch doesn't start until 1:25pm (so have a big breakfast!) and lasts until 2:40pm or so. Cornell has a great parking system, you just pull up to an info booth, buy a visitor pass and they'll tell you the closest lot to Sage hall. You might want to leave early because traffic is actually pretty bad in Ithaca (if you don't stay at The Stadler). I had a ~1 mile drive from the hotel and it took me 15 minutes to get to campus and park and another 5 or so to walk to Sage.

And another thing, if you have any questions, call! The admissions coordinator (for visits and info) hates computers and admits it takes him forever to reply to emails. He's a super friendly and helpful guy so don't hesitate to call.

If anyone wants more info, just ask.

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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 23 Sep 2008, 20:53
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Did my visit today. Overall I'm very impressed. The only other campus I've visited so far is Tuck, so a lot of my comparisons are between the two.


Thanks for the recap! Based on your visit, it sounds like you definitely feel more favorable about the school?
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 24 Sep 2008, 06:18
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Did my visit today. Overall I'm very impressed. The only other campus I've visited so far is Tuck, so a lot of my comparisons are between the two.


Thanks for the recap! Based on your visit, it sounds like you definitely feel more favorable about the school?


Yeah, in my mind I thought the quality of the schools dropped off more dramatically once you got out of the top 10, but I was wrong.

Cornell might not be a Wharton or MIT, but I think in the long run, the differences between them are really quite small.

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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 24 Sep 2008, 12:02
Hey guys,

Those who have done their undergraduate from India , how do you plan to send your transcripts?

The online application mentions that the Excel template can be used only for the US universities and for non US universities, the institutions need to directly send the transcript, which in my case is not possible.

I tried mailing the admissions office , but got no response.

Are you guys uploading the scanned copies of the transcripts instead?
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 24 Sep 2008, 12:16
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By the way, you guys want to see a 2008 ranking in which Cornell lands the #1 spot (not 100% serious however)! :-D
http://www.dis-equilibrium.com/2008/05/where-i-take-turn-at-ranking-business.html
Discuss.


The rankings I like (both the methodology and that Cornell is 1) but that blog now has a post making fun of people on this board for writing essays longer than 400 words:
http://www.dis-equilibrium.com/2008/09/rules-are-for-sissies-not-mbas.html
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 24 Sep 2008, 12:43
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By the way, you guys want to see a 2008 ranking in which Cornell lands the #1 spot (not 100% serious however)! :-D
http://www.dis-equilibrium.com/2008/05/where-i-take-turn-at-ranking-business.html
Discuss.


The rankings I like (both the methodology and that Cornell is 1) but that blog now has a post making fun of people on this board for writing essays longer than 400 words:
http://www.dis-equilibrium.com/2008/09/rules-are-for-sissies-not-mbas.html


We shall have the last laugh by getting into Cornell, graduating into top positions, (ethically) making a ton of money and buying http://www.dis-equilibrium.com and dismantling it into pieces for making fun of us :)


hahaha. Well said!
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 24 Sep 2008, 18:13
Alright guys I just submitted my app!!!!!!!!! My reccomenders have guarenteed me they would be in by Friday. Im pretty stoked. Best of lucky to all!!!!
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 06:24
Referring to the earlier post about the other site...

Sometimes all of us deserve to be made fun of for how neurotic we all are about this whole process. My wife lovingly refers to this board as "that geek site you go to". But I'll take the title of geek as a badge of honor if I can get an admit or two from everyone's input.
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 06:38
Wow - the deadline is still 12 days away, folks. we have a most conscientious bunch of people applying to Cornell this year! now if only I could finish up my essay 3 in the next few days, I'd be in good shape to submit as well.

Cereal255 - done with your Park Fellowship essay yet?
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 06:51
Yeah, I finished it up a few days ago. Since it was just a fairly generic leadership essay I already had most of it thought out which was nice.

Of course, trimming it down to 400 words is always a challenge on these Cornell essays.

Now I'm trying to put the pressure on my recommenders so that I can go complete soon...
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 07:34
Oh wait so you actually submit without the recommendations being received?
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 07:51
Yes, you can submit the application without the recommendations being received. I was told that they would be in around the time I submitted but my recommenders are being slow.

I think they just add it to your profile as they come in.
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 10:51
nadtrans wrote:
Quick question guys! How stringent is the Cornell word limit? I am at 423 words on essay 2. Should i edit my essay further?

Just a bit of a follow up from this question earlier in the week:

I just checked out the essay upload section of the actual online app for Cornell and noticed that the word limit is in bold, red, AND italicized (400 word limit). Take that for what it's worth...

I know that there is this "rule of thumb" (and quite honestly I have NO IDEA where this was originated - 10 kudos if you can show me an official document that shows meeting minutes from an M7 meeting discussing the 10% rule :-D )

I copied and pasted my take on this "10% rule" that I just posted earlier this morning in the Ross thread:

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Writing essays adhering to the word limit is tough.


Tough is an understatement. I started off with a 580 word career goal essay. Brought it down to 534 now. This essay is testing my editing skills to the hilt. I am thinking if I should leave it at that (hoping they wont mind +-10%). What are you guys doing?


Wow, my first draft of the goals essay was more near 750 words! I think I've managed to bring it down to about 570. My gf is a great writer, so she has no problem telling me what to cut. :-D I plan to be at or below the limit. I'm the conservative type and unless it specifically says recommended (i.e., Columbia) or has strange guidelines (i.e., Tuck), I'm sticking to the rules. The way I see it is that thousands of people have been able to stick to the rules over the years. My case is no more different or special than any of the other folks that have been admitted at Ross (or any other top school), so I will stick to the limits. 34 words is maybe 1-1.5 sentences. Have someone else take a pass at your essay. I guarantee you can get it to 500 or below.


I realize that there may be a flood of objections to what may be an unpopular opinion, but I'm simply making observations and providing an alternative point of view.

In any event, good luck finishing up the apps. My Rd1 Cornell app should be ready to rock by next weekend!!
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 12:43
There was an interview with the head of admissions at Cornell where he said something like 410 was fine but much more than that was definitely a problem.

I'll probably push it a little on the goals essay - maybe 410 or 415 - and stay under 400 for the other 2.
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 12:54
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There was an interview with the head of admissions at Cornell where he said something like 410 was fine but much more than that was definitely a problem.

I'll probably push it a little on the goals essay - maybe 410 or 415 - and stay under 400 for the other 2.


I think I recall you telling me this. Nevertheless, the way I see it, is if you are at 410, you can sure as heck cut 10 more words. I KNOW IT IS PAINFUL! Example "The immersion program will provide really valuable hands-on learning experience..." You can cut out the word really. You need to aggresively attack (hey-you can cut out aggresively-just another example :)) your essay and determine what adds value. Is there a difference between really valuable and valuable ? - hopefully you can answer this, no. :)

Maybe the last chapter of our life story TOC can be "Trouble found trying to keep within word limits."
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 12:58
Dude, don't use my hands on learning experience line 8-) haha
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Re: Calling all Cornell (Johnson) Fall 2009 applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2008, 13:34
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Dude, don't use my hands on learning experience line 8-) haha


LOL - What a shocker - we have similar material in our essays!!! How bout you can keep the hands-on stuff and I'll discuss the immersion program? ;)
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