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# Calling All Fall 2010 Washington U. (Olin) Applicants!

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08 Feb 2010, 22:39
Interesting discussion brewing here.

I think the PT program's admission policies are an interesting discussion for all b-schools with such programs. Kelley even offers an online MBA. The caliber of students admitted to these programs and the quality of their education won't impact ours as FT students. Still, when they hold the same degree as ours, their workplace performance will impact the programs' reputations, for better or worse. That's not to say they won't be top-performers, but their GMAT/GPA averages do indeed tend to be lower.
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Schools: Indiana Kelley/Class of 2012/Full tuition $$WE 1: Healthcare/Biomedical Research Followers: 2 Kudos [?]: 18 [0], given: 3 Re: Calling All Fall 2010 Washington U. (Olin) Applicants! [#permalink] ### Show Tags 09 Feb 2010, 14:55 Evergreen10 wrote: Great discussion. Case and Hyper, I agree wholly with your analysis and believe this decision should be analyzed from all angles. I realize that no one is trying to "trash" Olin. I,too, am trying to discern which school is the best fit for me. I am not trying to sell Olin based on a few magazine rankings. My argument is in response to the legitimate question posed by our colleague, stler, as to whether Olin's PT program is damaging the school's reputation. I contend that it has not and the rankings show that the school is still highly regarded. That is my only point. As an aside, I think that the Kelley vs Olin is a great debate. Both are elite schools, but lack the WOW factor of Tuck, Kellog, HBS, etc. Would everyone agree that there are two tiers of elite schools? Posted from my mobile device Evergreen, Oh yeah, I agree that there are two tiers of elite schools. Yes, some of the top 10 programs have that WOW factor that others dont quite have. Altho (I console myself with this) I think that the quality of the programs are somewhat comparable amongst the top 20-ish. However the top 10 derive their WOWness from their brand. HBS for example earns it wow from the Harvard brand etc. Yale MBA for example, altho not that strong (in my opinion) earns its wow from the Yale brand etc. So I hope that we(those of us that'll end up in lower tier elite schools -altho I am waiting for a Kellogg decision post R2 interview, most likely a ding and a Booth interview invite, most likely a ding too ), can compensate for the missing wow's from our schools thru hard work and excellence. Thatz my game plan... Anyone here optimistic like me? _________________ Leadership is not really about telling people what to do — a strategy that doesn't always work. It's about creating an environment where people can speak up, where we can get into debates without becoming confrontational or negative. [It's] about getting people to bring all of themselves to the table." - DuPont CEO Ellen Kullman; Kellogg '83 Manager Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 190 Location: Ohio Schools: Indiana Kelley/Class of 2012/Full tuition$$
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09 Feb 2010, 15:23
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Interesting discussion brewing here.

I think the PT program's admission policies are an interesting discussion for all b-schools with such programs. Kelley even offers an online MBA. The caliber of students admitted to these programs and the quality of their education won't impact ours as FT students. Still, when they hold the same degree as ours, their workplace performance will impact the programs' reputations, for better or worse. That's not to say they won't be top-performers, but their GMAT/GPA averages do indeed tend to be lower.

Ok, ksjhawk, you almost made my heart miss a beat when I read your comment about the Kelley online program. I was like, ok, not only can the PT "dilute stuff" but now, online too!?!?! So I looked up the Kelley online MBA requirements and there werent bad: Ave GMAT: 632, breakdown: 700+ :16%, 600-699: 56%, 500-599: 28% (am assuming these fellows compensate with a higher work experience, ave WE: 9.2yrs). Interestingly, the ave GPA for the online (3.35) was higher than that of the FT (3.34). In fact, a detailed look suggests that the requirements of the online program aint low. For example: % with UG GPA >3.5: online/FT is 44%/32%!!! Full stats at http://kd.iu.edu/ourstudents/classprofile.htm So ksjhawk, thanxs for the minor conniption , but I am now relieved

I couldnt find the Oline PT class profile. Can someone pls point me to the webpage? I'd like to know.

But for real tho, I agree with ksjhawk that "The caliber of students admitted to these programs and the quality of their education won't impact ours as FT students". What are we here? "Egg-headed elitists"?

stler645, thanks for pointing out supposed Kelley's strengths. I am sure learning more every day from you guys. I'd look into it some more cuz I am thinking about GM or consulting...
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[#permalink] ### Show Tags 09 Feb 2010, 17:30 Case2010 wrote: One last post from me today: hypermeganet and stler645, where else are you guys in at? Do you mind sharing? I don't mind sharing, though it's not too exciting. I'm not in anywhere. Dinged at Sloan and Haas R1. Applied to Booth, Anderson, and Wharton R2. And in regard to your previous post, clearly the competence (or lack there of) of PT MBA students has no impact on your FT education. But that is just two years. Be careful not to excessively discount the future when making the b-school decision. I think I could enjoy the hell out of two years at many b-schools, and I'd probably learn a great deal even at non-elites. It's the comprehensive impact that a school has on my next 40 years (particularly the next 10-15) that are of greatest significance to me. It's why I am paying a six figure cost. Under-qualified, lower aptitude PT's damaging the general perception of the degree or (worse) penetrating my desired employers and damaging the brand first hand concerns me. For better or worse, people tend to be very anecdotal and if they have one or two bad experiences with a given school they are often highly reluctant to make that mistake again. Did you get a sense of on-campus recruitment at Kelley and/or Olin? I'd be interested to hear. I couldn't get a straight answer at my Olin meeting, but that has happened to me at other programs when I phrase it "who interviewed on-campus this year?" Intern Joined: 10 Feb 2010 Posts: 3 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0 Re: Calling All Fall 2010 Washington U. (Olin) Applicants! [#permalink] ### Show Tags 10 Feb 2010, 17:26 has anybody received interview invitation of R2? I am from China. submitted on Jan 3. under review on Jan 22. still haven't received any info. 55.... Intern Joined: 17 Mar 2009 Posts: 6 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0 Re: Calling All Fall 2010 Washington U. (Olin) Applicants! [#permalink] ### Show Tags 11 Feb 2010, 12:35 I applied R2 and had my interview by phone this morning. It was with the Assistant Admissions Director and she basically asked me to review my resume and experience before asking me more questions. It took about 15 minutes for me to review my resume and experience with her, after which she asked questions like what I think an MBA will prepare me for and what I would like to get out of the program. She also asked me about challenges I've had during my time in management. I was a little nervous, but I feel it went well. I was surprised to learn that she hadn't seen any part of my application except the resume. The resume was the only document of mine that she had. I had to elaborate on things that I had spoken about in my essays because of this, so I would recommend elaborating on key points from your essay during the interview. All together it was about twenty minutes. She did ask me if I had any questions so I asked about the town of St. Louis and the neighborhood of the school. I probably should have asked more questions, but I couldn't think of anything more to ask at the time. Intern Joined: 10 Feb 2010 Posts: 3 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0 Re: Calling All Fall 2010 Washington U. (Olin) Applicants! [#permalink] ### Show Tags 11 Feb 2010, 16:42 hi, ri0tp00f, which country do you come from ri0tp00f wrote: I applied R2 and had my interview by phone this morning. It was with the Assistant Admissions Director and she basically asked me to review my resume and experience before asking me more questions. It took about 15 minutes for me to review my resume and experience with her, after which she asked questions like what I think an MBA will prepare me for and what I would like to get out of the program. She also asked me about challenges I've had during my time in management. I was a little nervous, but I feel it went well. I was surprised to learn that she hadn't seen any part of my application except the resume. The resume was the only document of mine that she had. I had to elaborate on things that I had spoken about in my essays because of this, so I would recommend elaborating on key points from your essay during the interview. All together it was about twenty minutes. She did ask me if I had any questions so I asked about the town of St. Louis and the neighborhood of the school. I probably should have asked more questions, but I couldn't think of anything more to ask at the time. Intern Joined: 17 Mar 2009 Posts: 6 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0 Re: Calling All Fall 2010 Washington U. (Olin) Applicants! [#permalink] ### Show Tags 11 Feb 2010, 17:18 I'm from the USA... live in Las Vegas, Nevada. Intern Joined: 10 Feb 2010 Posts: 3 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0 Re: Calling All Fall 2010 Washington U. (Olin) Applicants! [#permalink] ### Show Tags 11 Feb 2010, 18:35 ao...thank you:) ri0tp00f wrote: I'm from the USA... live in Las Vegas, Nevada. Intern Joined: 05 Nov 2009 Posts: 31 WE 1: 5 years Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 1 [0], given: 1 Re: Calling All Fall 2010 Washington U. (Olin) Applicants! [#permalink] ### Show Tags 12 Feb 2010, 07:13 Hi All, I have created following group for all admitted colleagues to have discussions regarding next steps required for joining class of 2012..Please join and contribute Homepage: http://groups.google.com/group/olin-bus ... ss-of-2012 Group email: olin-business-school-class-of-2012@googlegroups.com Manager Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 190 Location: Ohio Schools: Indiana Kelley/Class of 2012/Full tuition$$
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12 Feb 2010, 17:33
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Hi All,

I have created following group for all admitted colleagues to have discussions regarding next steps required for joining class of 2012..Please join and contribute

This is a pain to join. Why the need to contact the owner etc...Am not sure the restrictions are warranted....
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20 Feb 2010, 23:21
One question, I cannot seem to find any course at Olin that is similar to a Global Consulting Practicum. Or basically where I would learn about another country, handle a small consulting project from that country and got at the end to visit that country.

Is there any course or opport. like this at Olin?

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22 Feb 2010, 07:35
Hi everyone-

I was accepted from round 1 and my decision and $2,000 deposit is due by March 1 (next Monday). I'm curious how others are doing with their decisions. I am leaning towards accepting and I'm really excited about it! The only outstanding concern I have is the career services reputation that has been discussed on this forum extensively - any last minute thoughts out there? Also, anyone headed to the weekend in April? I'm a bit disappointed that the decisions are due BEFORE that... Manager Joined: 30 Sep 2009 Posts: 146 Followers: 1 Kudos [?]: 27 [0], given: 0 Re: Calling All Fall 2010 Washington U. (Olin) Applicants! [#permalink] ### Show Tags 22 Feb 2010, 10:23 Twinks wrote: Hi everyone- I was accepted from round 1 and my decision and$2,000 deposit is due by March 1 (next Monday). I'm curious how others are doing with their decisions. I am leaning towards accepting and I'm really excited about it! The only outstanding concern I have is the career services reputation that has been discussed on this forum extensively - any last minute thoughts out there?

Also, anyone headed to the weekend in April? I'm a bit disappointed that the decisions are due BEFORE that...

That's a huge reason I'm during down 45k in scholarship. I can't even visit the school before forking over 2k? No thanks.
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22 Feb 2010, 10:59
Twinks wrote:
Hi everyone-

I was accepted from round 1 and my decision and \$2,000 deposit is due by March 1 (next Monday). I'm curious how others are doing with their decisions. I am leaning towards accepting and I'm really excited about it! The only outstanding concern I have is the career services reputation that has been discussed on this forum extensively - any last minute thoughts out there?

Also, anyone headed to the weekend in April? I'm a bit disappointed that the decisions are due BEFORE that...

Twinks, are you in anywhere else? I think any "last minute thots" will be useful only is they are comparative. If however, Olin is your only admit, you really wanna start B-school this fall and you are "really excited about it", then there's no need to welcome doubts with "last minute thots". Just go for it. Do your best at Olin, give it your all, bust your balls if you are a dude , your behind if you are a dudette and am sure you'd be fine per jobs when you are done. Hard work always pays...somehow.

Good luck with your decision and keep us updated....
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22 Feb 2010, 11:10
Thanks for the thoughts guys.

No, I'm not in anywhere else - I got dinged from Kellogg and Booth. However, I'm in the Chicago area and so could always apply for part-time programs at either of those schools. That's my alternative to Wash U. I don't really like that idea, though, because I'm wanting to career shift, and I'm also anxious to leave my current job.

I think my decision is pretty much set to go to Wash U. I also was lucky enough to get a half-tuition scholarship, and that is a factor for me in the decision. I guess I am just having a tough time with the final commitment!

Oh, and I'm a "dudette" so I'll be working off my behind. =)
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22 Feb 2010, 20:12
I say pull the trigger, Twinks.

I've read disparaging remarks about careers services at Olin too, but their alums seem to be doing just fine. You've probably seen the BW article referenced in this thread noting Olin's top placement #'s, even if their grads are stuck earning a mere 90k Now if you're patient, work hard, and keep reapplying to top 10 programs like Booth or Kellogg you may very well end up with greater opportunities. However, you sound ready to get back to school now, and you never know what circumstances may come up (whether career, family, financial, or otherwise) that could keep you from getting your MBA anywhere in the future. Olin is a great school that should enable you to break into a terrific career, and your circumstances make it sound as though this is the time to earn your MBA.

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23 Feb 2010, 08:06
Hey All,

I'm a current first year student at Olin, so take what I have to say with a grain of salt. I'm going to try and address a lot of what everyone has been questioning/wondering/pondering.

1. Kelley does have a great program and their career services is a big reason for their success. Last year, in January I think, Olin hired their assistant director of career services to run the career services at Olin. So, a lot of the same methods that have brought success for Kelley in career services are being applied at Olin. I'm not saying that Olin is at the same level as Kelley in these regards but career services is working their tail off to utilize the extensive Olin and Washington University networks to find/create internship opportunities and jobs for Olin MBA students in this down economy. Which brings me to my second point.

2. Olin's network, though small and not as prestigious as many of the top schools that Olin likes to think it competes with, has been invaluable in my internship search. Beyond that, however, is the Washington University network, which is vast and full of success stories. Olin is Washington University's worst ranked graduate school. Every other graduate school is ranked higher from the Med School (#3) to School of Social Work (#1) (Is that a good thing or a bad thing :/). In addition Washington University's undergrad jBSBA program is ranked 15th in the nation. Therefore there is an extensive group of excellent graduates in the market with which you can build your network

3. St. Louis is what it is. It's a medium sized city with it's ups and downs. I have classmates from New York, LA, Miami, San Fran, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Hawaii, India, China, Israel, Nigeria, Honduras, etc. Surprisingly, they don't find St. Louis to be that bad, though admittedly, most miss their homes to some degree. On the surface, St. Louis looks like it doesn't have much to offer, but once you get to know the city, there is a lot more to do than you'd think.

4. As far as part-time programs go, I don't think it should reflect on the full-time. They are two different animals entirely. However, I understand the concerns with the market being flooded with people that may not reflect as well on the full-time program. It is important to understand that all of the part-time students are St. Louis residents and likely plan to stay that way. Full-time students, however, end up outside of st. louis much more often than they end up in St. Louis. Regardless, if you wanted to stay in St. Louis, Olin's program is highly regarded, both part-time and full-time.

5. Olin is working on expansion plans for the building, namely into the parking lot right next to it. We'll see where that goes.

6. There are lots of opportunities at Olin and to Washington University as a whole to be involved in practicums inside and outside of the US. One of my classmates is going to Madagascar for a couple weeks over spring break as a part of his practicum. Others are going on GMS (Global Management Summit) trips to Japan and Beijing, I think, to visit executives from global companies (much like other business schools).

All that being said, my decision wasn't easy. I had other admits at lower and higher ranked schools, however, the decision to go to Olin was framed by my campus visit and the scholarship offer. I have a relatively high GMAT score, solid GPA, and 4 years of work experience. I had opportunities outside of Olin but when I visited the school and sat in on class, it just felt right. Then, during admit weekend, I met my potential fellow classmates and realized what Olin had in mind when they recruited. My Business School experience to date, has been every bit as challenging and enjoyable as I could have ever expected and I don't regret my decision. You work hard, you make the most of the experience (clubs, internships, practicums, etc.), and the opportunities after graduation are there if you put forth the effort. If you all have any questions, let me know.

Best of luck in your MBA search. It's a stressful but exciting time!
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Hey All,

I'm a current first year student at Olin, so take what I have to say with a grain of salt. I'm going to try and address a lot of what everyone has been questioning/wondering/pondering.

1. Kelley does have a great program and their career services is a big reason for their success. Last year, in January I think, Olin hired their assistant director of career services to run the career services at Olin. So, a lot of the same methods that have brought success for Kelley in career services are being applied at Olin. I'm not saying that Olin is at the same level as Kelley in these regards but career services is working their tail off to utilize the extensive Olin and Washington University networks to find/create internship opportunities and jobs for Olin MBA students in this down economy. Which brings me to my second point.

2. Olin's network, though small and not as prestigious as many of the top schools that Olin likes to think it competes with, has been invaluable in my internship search. Beyond that, however, is the Washington University network, which is vast and full of success stories. Olin is Washington University's worst ranked graduate school. Every other graduate school is ranked higher from the Med School (#3) to School of Social Work (#1) (Is that a good thing or a bad thing :/). In addition Washington University's undergrad jBSBA program is ranked 15th in the nation. Therefore there is an extensive group of excellent graduates in the market with which you can build your network

3. St. Louis is what it is. It's a medium sized city with it's ups and downs. I have classmates from New York, LA, Miami, San Fran, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Hawaii, India, China, Israel, Nigeria, Honduras, etc. Surprisingly, they don't find St. Louis to be that bad, though admittedly, most miss their homes to some degree. On the surface, St. Louis looks like it doesn't have much to offer, but once you get to know the city, there is a lot more to do than you'd think.

4. As far as part-time programs go, I don't think it should reflect on the full-time. They are two different animals entirely. However, I understand the concerns with the market being flooded with people that may not reflect as well on the full-time program. It is important to understand that all of the part-time students are St. Louis residents and likely plan to stay that way. Full-time students, however, end up outside of st. louis much more often than they end up in St. Louis. Regardless, if you wanted to stay in St. Louis, Olin's program is highly regarded, both part-time and full-time.

5. Olin is working on expansion plans for the building, namely into the parking lot right next to it. We'll see where that goes.

6. There are lots of opportunities at Olin and to Washington University as a whole to be involved in practicums inside and outside of the US. One of my classmates is going to Madagascar for a couple weeks over spring break as a part of his practicum. Others are going on GMS (Global Management Summit) trips to Japan and Beijing, I think, to visit executives from global companies (much like other business schools).

All that being said, my decision wasn't easy. I had other admits at lower and higher ranked schools, however, the decision to go to Olin was framed by my campus visit and the scholarship offer. I have a relatively high GMAT score, solid GPA, and 4 years of work experience. I had opportunities outside of Olin but when I visited the school and sat in on class, it just felt right. Then, during admit weekend, I met my potential fellow classmates and realized what Olin had in mind when they recruited. My Business School experience to date, has been every bit as challenging and enjoyable as I could have ever expected and I don't regret my decision. You work hard, you make the most of the experience (clubs, internships, practicums, etc.), and the opportunities after graduation are there if you put forth the effort. If you all have any questions, let me know.

Best of luck in your MBA search. It's a stressful but exciting time!

Thanks for all your time on that post. That is certainly helpful and interesting perspective. Curious -- why does your profile say kellogg? Was that one the schools you chose Olin over?
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