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Re: Calling all Fall 2011 Consortium Applicants! [#permalink] New post 11 Nov 2010, 16:10
Does it make sense to have a consortium interview through a specific school if that school is not your first choice?
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Re: Calling all Fall 2011 Consortium Applicants! [#permalink] New post 11 Nov 2010, 18:03
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Well, if you don't have any experiences/work dedicated to the mission of the Consortium or it's not something you care about, then you would want to apply via the traditional route. But if you've got a solid story for your Consortium mission essay, can get a mission recommender, and can articulate that in an interview, I would do the Consortium all the way.

If you're on the fence or are not sure you have the right experience, call the Consortium or email them your story. They'll give you some guidance or can say if it's the right type of experience. I know a lot of people who did that.

The company access and network is also a huge reason to apply to the Consortium (beyond the consolidated application and fellowship possibilities). I'm in my second day of classes and already have 2 internship options for next summer that I've had for a month.



can you share what you did that was applicable for the mission statement?


I volunteered in classrooms for a non-profit and at work, I worked on a diversity initiative. My recommender was the leader of the diversity initiative at work and my mentor. There were people I know who had less direct connections but it doesn't need to be huge. It just needs to demonstrate you've made efforts in the past which would be an indicator of future behavior on a bigger scale during and after B-School.


Could you elaborate a little more on this? I'm still having trouble with the mission essay.

The mission of the Consortium for Graduate Study in Management, an alliance of leading American business schools and some of our country’s top corporations, is to enhance diversity in business education and leadership by helping to reduce the serious underrepresentation of African Americans, Hispanic Americans and Native Americans in both our member schools’ enrollments and the ranks of management.

What exactly are they looking for? I do lots of work with minorities and the underprivileged but they aren't exactly going to join the ranks of management. Many don't even have a high school diploma.
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Re: Calling all Fall 2011 Consortium Applicants! [#permalink] New post 13 Nov 2010, 13:20
The following is a list of events / initiatives that Consortium applicants may be interested in. This is by no means an all inclusive list, so always keep your eyes open for similar opportunities that may arise:

General

Forte foundation - for women leaders in business; provide mentoring and fellowship opportunities
http://www.fortefoundation.org/site/PageServer

Robert Toigo foundation - for URM applicants; provide mentoring and fellowship opportunities
http://connected.toigofoundation.org/site/PageServer

Management Leadership for Tomorrow - for URM applicants; ongoing program that helps refine the core skills needed for a successful career in business. should apply ASAP if interested
http://www.ml4t.org/

MBA Jumpstart - summer conference for people interested in switching careers into Consulting or Investment banking; offers networking opportunities and career panels; similar to the Consortium OP in that people walked away with the conference in excellent positions to get internship offers before school even started. Apply in the spring
http://mbajumpstart.org/forums.php

Consulting

Deloitte Consulting Immersion Program - new pre-mba program that started last year; offers students a highly competitive pre-MBA internship at Deloitte; Deloitte also hosts a networking conference the summer before school. Apply in the spring
http://careers.deloitte.com/united-stat ... ntID=16293


Investment Banking

Pretty much all the large banks have diversity initiatives that include pre-MBA camps and events the summer before school starts. These are essentially a must if you intend to work in the field, especially if you have no prior finance experience. The applications for these don't usually start until the spring, but make sure to keep them on your radar. They are generally competitive, so make sure you get your app in early (apply in the spring)

JP Morgan Early Advantage - http://careers.jpmorgan.com/student/jpm ... ge/program
Morgan Stanley Early Insight -
Goldman Sachs Pre MBA Camp - http://www2.goldmansachs.com/careers/ou ... index.html
UBS

Applicants should familiarize themselves with these and apply if possible. I can speak further to the investment banking programs, so if you have any questions feel free to post back or send me a PM.
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Does it make sense to have a consortium interview through a specific school if that school is not your first choice?

I interviewed with an alum from a school I didn't wind up applying to. I don't think it matters as long as you can speak intelligently about your own career trajectory and resume. For example if you're interviewing with a Tuck alum that lives in your area but you're not applying there, don't bring it up, and make sure you know at least a few key facts about the program in case it comes up in the interview. Don't lie and say it's your #1 choice, and at the same time don't bring up that you have 0 intention of applying if asked.

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Could you elaborate a little more on this? I'm still having trouble with the mission essay.

The mission of the Consortium for Graduate Study in Management, an alliance of leading American business schools and some of our country’s top corporations, is to enhance diversity in business education and leadership by helping to reduce the serious underrepresentation of African Americans, Hispanic Americans and Native Americans in both our member schools’ enrollments and the ranks of management.

What exactly are they looking for? I do lots of work with minorities and the underprivileged but they aren't exactly going to join the ranks of management. Many don't even have a high school diploma.


It's all about how you frame it. Maybe the people you directly help will not rise to the ranks of management, but what's to say that their kids don't? Or their relatives? Or their friends?
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Re: Calling all Fall 2011 Consortium Applicants! [#permalink] New post 13 Nov 2010, 13:32
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Does it make sense to have a consortium interview through a specific school if that school is not your first choice?

I interviewed with an alum from a school I didn't wind up applying to. I don't think it matters as long as you can speak intelligently about your own career trajectory and resume. For example if you're interviewing with a Tuck alum that lives in your area but you're not applying there, don't bring it up, and make sure you know at least a few key facts about the program in case it comes up in the interview. Don't lie and say it's your #1 choice, and at the same time don't bring up that you have 0 intention of applying if asked.

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Could you elaborate a little more on this? I'm still having trouble with the mission essay.

The mission of the Consortium for Graduate Study in Management, an alliance of leading American business schools and some of our country’s top corporations, is to enhance diversity in business education and leadership by helping to reduce the serious underrepresentation of African Americans, Hispanic Americans and Native Americans in both our member schools’ enrollments and the ranks of management.

What exactly are they looking for? I do lots of work with minorities and the underprivileged but they aren't exactly going to join the ranks of management. Many don't even have a high school diploma.


It's all about how you frame it. Maybe the people you directly help will not rise to the ranks of management, but what's to say that their kids don't? Or their relatives? Or their friends?



regarding my mission question: yes, that make sense. great advice.

regarding the interview: I think we have the option of interviewing with a member school. Should that only be done if we want to attend that school? Does that serve as the consortium interview as well? I believe school-specific interviews can be done with an admissions committee member.
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Re: Calling all Fall 2011 Consortium Applicants! [#permalink] New post 13 Nov 2010, 13:46
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Does it make sense to have a consortium interview through a specific school if that school is not your first choice?

I interviewed with an alum from a school I didn't wind up applying to. I don't think it matters as long as you can speak intelligently about your own career trajectory and resume. For example if you're interviewing with a Tuck alum that lives in your area but you're not applying there, don't bring it up, and make sure you know at least a few key facts about the program in case it comes up in the interview. Don't lie and say it's your #1 choice, and at the same time don't bring up that you have 0 intention of applying if asked.

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Could you elaborate a little more on this? I'm still having trouble with the mission essay.

The mission of the Consortium for Graduate Study in Management, an alliance of leading American business schools and some of our country’s top corporations, is to enhance diversity in business education and leadership by helping to reduce the serious underrepresentation of African Americans, Hispanic Americans and Native Americans in both our member schools’ enrollments and the ranks of management.

What exactly are they looking for? I do lots of work with minorities and the underprivileged but they aren't exactly going to join the ranks of management. Many don't even have a high school diploma.


It's all about how you frame it. Maybe the people you directly help will not rise to the ranks of management, but what's to say that their kids don't? Or their relatives? Or their friends?



regarding my mission question: yes, that make sense. great advice.

regarding the interview: I think we have the option of interviewing with a member school. Should that only be done if we want to attend that school? Does that serve as the consortium interview as well? I believe school-specific interviews can be done with an admissions committee member.


sorry, I misread your original question. I'm not sure if scheduling the school specific interview at the school will knock out both at the same time. I would just schedule the interview using whatever method is the most convenient for you (i.e. if the alum lives 5 mins from your house vs going an hour to the school).

The other upside of scheduling the alum interview instead of doing it at the school is that you essentially get a freebie. The alum isn't out to ding you or to give you any possible questions that might trip you up. They will essentially just stick to the script and ask you about your resume, etc. That way, if you don't have a strong grasp of your "story" yet, you can use it as a first pass and solicit feedback from your interviewer.
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The following is a list of events / initiatives that Consortium applicants may be interested in. This is by no means an all inclusive list, so always keep your eyes open for similar opportunities that may arise:

General

Forte foundation - for women leaders in business; provide mentoring and fellowship opportunities
http://www.fortefoundation.org/site/PageServer

Robert Toigo foundation - for URM applicants; provide mentoring and fellowship opportunities
http://connected.toigofoundation.org/site/PageServer

Management Leadership for Tomorrow - for URM applicants; ongoing program that helps refine the core skills needed for a successful career in business. should apply ASAP if interested
http://www.ml4t.org/

MBA Jumpstart - summer conference for people interested in switching careers into Consulting or Investment banking; offers networking opportunities and career panels; similar to the Consortium OP in that people walked away with the conference in excellent positions to get internship offers before school even started. Apply in the spring
http://mbajumpstart.org/forums.php

Consulting

Deloitte Consulting Immersion Program - new pre-mba program that started last year; offers students a highly competitive pre-MBA internship at Deloitte; Deloitte also hosts a networking conference the summer before school. Apply in the spring
http://careers.deloitte.com/united-stat ... ntID=16293


Investment Banking

Pretty much all the large banks have diversity initiatives that include pre-MBA camps and events the summer before school starts. These are essentially a must if you intend to work in the field, especially if you have no prior finance experience. The applications for these don't usually start until the spring, but make sure to keep them on your radar. They are generally competitive, so make sure you get your app in early (apply in the spring)

JP Morgan Early Advantage - http://careers.jpmorgan.com/student/jpm ... ge/program
Morgan Stanley Early Insight -
Goldman Sachs Pre MBA Camp - http://www2.goldmansachs.com/careers/ou ... index.html
UBS

Applicants should familiarize themselves with these and apply if possible. I can speak further to the investment banking programs, so if you have any questions feel free to post back or send me a PM.


Marketing/Brand Management

P&G Marketing Summer Camp - AMAZING opportunity for anyone interested in marketing and/or brand management. It's a one-week program over the summer where you get to know marketing through the lens of the best CPG company in the world. The week is capped with internship interviews for the following summer. It's not exclusively for diversity candidates but it is heavily tailored towards a diverse audience (beyond just URM). Feel free to PM me if you have specific questions.
http://www.jobs-pg.com/cincinnati/marke ... orary-jobs

Other camps - Other companies might have similar camps that I'm aware of that you can apply directly to (I think PepsiCo/Frito-Lay). Many have camps or sell/interview days out of Consortium or the Diversity conferences (Target, General Mills, Miller-Coors, Kraft, J&J, etc) usually after 1st round interviews or after an offer is extended. Consortium OP is incredible for marketing internship opportunities. You can set foot on campus with several offers in hand before your first class.

If you're interested in Marketing and/or Brand Management, it's good to start prospecting what types of companies you may be interested in. I'm not kidding, as soon as you accept your offer if you attend a Consortium school, you need to start resume and interview prep immediately. The time goes by REALLY fast.

I'm happy to answer questions in the Marketing realm for those beginning their research. Just PM me.
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Re: Calling all Fall 2011 Consortium Applicants! [#permalink] New post 15 Nov 2010, 02:34
Just submitted my app. Applied to three Consortium member schools.

Time to wait and see where the dice fall...

Edit:

For the current consortium folks here: Are you on a fellowship? I see nefertiti is, what about the others?

My consortium interviewer was a fellow from Darden (class of '07).
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Re: Calling all Fall 2011 Consortium Applicants! [#permalink] New post 15 Nov 2010, 10:36
With regards to whether schools see the rankings -

I was an attendee at Tuck's Diversity Conference this past weekend as well, and I spoke with Dawna Clarke, the Director of Admissions, specifically on this issue. She stated that the schools do receive the rankings, but that there is a strong directive from CGSM not to look at them as part of the admissions process - only as part of the financial aid process.

That being said, she did not state that Tuck does not look at them. She did state that Tuck does not take them into consideration as part of admissions (which seems to me an admissions that they look at them, and my thought it while they try to be objective, it will subconsciously affect their decision making process).
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Re: Calling all Fall 2011 Consortium Applicants! [#permalink] New post 15 Nov 2010, 17:45
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shadowsjc wrote:
The following is a list of events / initiatives that Consortium applicants may be interested in. This is by no means an all inclusive list, so always keep your eyes open for similar opportunities that may arise:

General

Forte foundation - for women leaders in business; provide mentoring and fellowship opportunities
http://www.fortefoundation.org/site/PageServer

Robert Toigo foundation - for URM applicants; provide mentoring and fellowship opportunities
http://connected.toigofoundation.org/site/PageServer

Management Leadership for Tomorrow - for URM applicants; ongoing program that helps refine the core skills needed for a successful career in business. should apply ASAP if interested
http://www.ml4t.org/

MBA Jumpstart - summer conference for people interested in switching careers into Consulting or Investment banking; offers networking opportunities and career panels; similar to the Consortium OP in that people walked away with the conference in excellent positions to get internship offers before school even started. Apply in the spring
http://mbajumpstart.org/forums.php

Consulting

Deloitte Consulting Immersion Program - new pre-mba program that started last year; offers students a highly competitive pre-MBA internship at Deloitte; Deloitte also hosts a networking conference the summer before school. Apply in the spring
http://careers.deloitte.com/united-stat ... ntID=16293


Investment Banking

Pretty much all the large banks have diversity initiatives that include pre-MBA camps and events the summer before school starts. These are essentially a must if you intend to work in the field, especially if you have no prior finance experience. The applications for these don't usually start until the spring, but make sure to keep them on your radar. They are generally competitive, so make sure you get your app in early (apply in the spring)

JP Morgan Early Advantage - http://careers.jpmorgan.com/student/jpm ... ge/program
Morgan Stanley Early Insight -
Goldman Sachs Pre MBA Camp - http://www2.goldmansachs.com/careers/ou ... index.html
UBS

Applicants should familiarize themselves with these and apply if possible. I can speak further to the investment banking programs, so if you have any questions feel free to post back or send me a PM.


Marketing/Brand Management

P&G Marketing Summer Camp - AMAZING opportunity for anyone interested in marketing and/or brand management. It's a one-week program over the summer where you get to know marketing through the lens of the best CPG company in the world. The week is capped with internship interviews for the following summer. It's not exclusively for diversity candidates but it is heavily tailored towards a diverse audience (beyond just URM). Feel free to PM me if you have specific questions.
http://www.jobs-pg.com/cincinnati/marke ... orary-jobs

Other camps - Other companies might have similar camps that I'm aware of that you can apply directly to (I think PepsiCo/Frito-Lay). Many have camps or sell/interview days out of Consortium or the Diversity conferences (Target, General Mills, Miller-Coors, Kraft, J&J, etc) usually after 1st round interviews or after an offer is extended. Consortium OP is incredible for marketing internship opportunities. You can set foot on campus with several offers in hand before your first class.

If you're interested in Marketing and/or Brand Management, it's good to start prospecting what types of companies you may be interested in. I'm not kidding, as soon as you accept your offer if you attend a Consortium school, you need to start resume and interview prep immediately. The time goes by REALLY fast.

I'm happy to answer questions in the Marketing realm for those beginning their research. Just PM me.



nice post. I'm 100% sure I'm going to go into marketing, so I'm going to bug you in the coming months with marketing question.
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Re: Calling all Fall 2011 Consortium Applicants! [#permalink] New post 15 Nov 2010, 21:24
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With regards to whether schools see the rankings -

I was an attendee at Tuck's Diversity Conference this past weekend as well, and I spoke with Dawna Clarke, the Director of Admissions, specifically on this issue. She stated that the schools do receive the rankings, but that there is a strong directive from CGSM not to look at them as part of the admissions process - only as part of the financial aid process.

That being said, she did not state that Tuck does not look at them. She did state that Tuck does not take them into consideration as part of admissions (which seems to me an admissions that they look at them, and my thought it while they try to be objective, it will subconsciously affect their decision making process).



That's good to hear...considering I ranked Tuck as No. 1. Michigan said they black out the rankings, so I didn't mind ranking them a bit lower.
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Re: Calling all Fall 2011 Consortium Applicants! [#permalink] New post 17 Nov 2010, 09:13
Unless specifically stated otherwise (like Ross), I would assume that all CGSM schools look at rankings and at least partially use them in their admissions decisions. A few pages back in this thread, somebody mentioned that while they were having their additional NYU interview, the adcom specifically asked why he ranked them #2.

As far as CGSM interviews, I decided to make the effort to interview at my number 1 choice school even though the CGSM says it doesn't matter who you interview with and it will have no influence on admissions decisions. I figured showing that extra bit of effort could only be a good thing.
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Re: Calling all Fall 2011 Consortium Applicants! [#permalink] New post 17 Nov 2010, 10:26
Soo.....

Anybody submit or plan to submit a video for Tuck??
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Re: Calling all Fall 2011 Consortium Applicants! [#permalink] New post 17 Nov 2010, 10:32
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Soo.....

Anybody submit or plan to submit a video for Tuck??


Someone in the Tuck thread said he/she was.

I submitted an essay.

As for the rankings:

I think people who max out the six schools are really gambling if that is true. I only applied to 3 CGSM programs. My 1 and 2 are par (I can make the arguement when I selected the order I did), but my #3 is without a doubt the "lowest" on my list.
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Re: Calling all Fall 2011 Consortium Applicants! [#permalink] New post 18 Nov 2010, 04:28
Follow up:

For the folks who have gone through the process before, can you fill us in on the timeline?

Nov 15-March is kind of a long time...
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Re: Calling all Fall 2011 Consortium Applicants! [#permalink] New post 19 Nov 2010, 13:40
shadowsjc wrote:

sorry, I misread your original question. I'm not sure if scheduling the school specific interview at the school will knock out both at the same time. I would just schedule the interview using whatever method is the most convenient for you (i.e. if the alum lives 5 mins from your house vs going an hour to the school).

The other upside of scheduling the alum interview instead of doing it at the school is that you essentially get a freebie. The alum isn't out to ding you or to give you any possible questions that might trip you up. They will essentially just stick to the script and ask you about your resume, etc. That way, if you don't have a strong grasp of your "story" yet, you can use it as a first pass and solicit feedback from your interviewer.


I didn't interview with an alum when I did my Consortium interview, but I'd recommend very strongly against using it as a practice interview as indicated above. I have done interviews for Michigan and generally speaking I'd say alums are harder interviewers than adcoms. It's not that anyone is purposely out to get you, but they want you to be really sure you are a good fit. And quite frankly you have no business interviewing if you don't have a good grip on your story. Also, personally I would not ask for feedback unless your interviewer offers it. It's just kiind of inapproperiate and awkward like asking for feedback during a job interview. With that said, I don't think it matters who you interview with alum or at the school just do whatever is easiest. Some schools (like Ross) will require you to do a seperate interview anyways, others will just take the Consortium one.
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Re: Calling all Fall 2011 Consortium Applicants! [#permalink] New post 21 Nov 2010, 09:32
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Follow up:

For the folks who have gone through the process before, can you fill us in on the timeline?

Nov 15-March is kind of a long time...


It is a long time. I dropped on 11/15 last year as well. I heard from Ross about my interview invite a few weeks later (much faster than I anticipated and it depends on how fast they receive the app from The Consortium to begin processing). I heard from NYU just after New Years for my interview invite, and was accepted to Ross and Darden a few weeks later.

March seems a long ways away but you'll hear a little more info from some schools depending on when they receive the app from the Consortium. I didn't have all the info about admissions or fellowship offers until March but every little piece of news was like Christmas morning for me and it was better than no news at all.

Hang in there and congrats to all of you who made the Round 1 deadline!
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Re: Calling all Fall 2011 Consortium Applicants! [#permalink] New post 21 Nov 2010, 16:06
I was going to do a video for Tuck, but I think ultimately it could end up hurting more than helping. Not only do you have to have something good to say, but you need to come off as genuine, interesting, and not offensive etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm a completely normal likable individual, but people make subconscious judgements based on the smallest of details. For example, you might not look as authoritative, sociable, or whatever adjective just because the camera angle and lighting is slightly off. Or maybe I'm completely over thinking this... :lol:

How long did it take your interviewer to submit their report to the consortium? I had my interview on Nov. 12, and I haven't heard anything yet. Granted I'm not applying until Jan. 5, but when should I start to get worried?

Also, when do schools start to do interview invites/admission decisions for Jan. 5 applicants? Does it just go by the individual schools Rd.2 deadlines?
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Re: Calling all Fall 2011 Consortium Applicants! [#permalink] New post 22 Nov 2010, 05:55
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I was going to do a video for Tuck, but I think ultimately it could end up hurting more than helping. Not only do you have to have something good to say, but you need to come off as genuine, interesting, and not offensive etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm a completely normal likable individual, but people make subconscious judgements based on the smallest of details. For example, you might not look as authoritative, sociable, or whatever adjective just because the camera angle and lighting is slightly off. Or maybe I'm completely over thinking this... :lol:

How long did it take your interviewer to submit their report to the consortium? I had my interview on Nov. 12, and I haven't heard anything yet. Granted I'm not applying until Jan. 5, but when should I start to get worried?

Also, when do schools start to do interview invites/admission decisions for Jan. 5 applicants? Does it just go by the individual schools Rd.2 deadlines?


It took awhile for some reason to have the interview report register. I remember, I checked with the Consortium because I didn't see any confirmation, they said they didn't have it. I followed-up with my interviewer, he said he submitted it already. I checked with the Consortium a week later and they said they had it but still never received the confirmation. That whole system is a little screwy. I tried not to pester the interviewer unless it was the last resort but following up with the Consortium isn't going to hurt you.

Invites/decisions after Jan 5 differs from school to school. Some review all Consortium apps together, both Rounds 1 and 2 (i.e. Yale, etc). Some it just rolls with their other deadlines (if it fits with the Consortium). While others have separate Round 2 Consortium reviews because they need to decide before they make fellowship decisions in March putting it off their main review calendar. I would check with each school separately. They understand that it's confusing so a quick email to them can get your question answered with no harm done.
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Re: Calling all Fall 2011 Consortium Applicants! [#permalink] New post 22 Nov 2010, 12:46
Does anyone know what the questions are for the Mission Letter of Recommendation?

This was what they were in 2009:

1) How long have you known the applicant and in what capacity?

2) What has the candidate done in business, personal, or their academic life to demonstrate commitment to reducing the serious underrepresentation of African-Americans, Hispanic Americans or Native Americans through the applicant's academic, or professional pursuits? What potential does the candidate demonstrate for assisting The Consortium in pursuing its mission?

Is it the same this year?
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