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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 05 Sep 2010, 08:26
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refurb, do you know of any plans to increase current class size to 350 or more, from 250? What if the number of applicants this year jumps from 2xxx to 3000? Would Tuck be able to make the necessary adjustment?


There is no way Tuck will increase class size. If anything, the target class size for next year will be LESS than this years class size (280).

There are a number of reasons for this:

1. Facilities. Most of Tuck's classrooms can only fit 70 people or so. In the past there have been 4 sections each year (each section would be approximately 65 students). It's going to be a tight fit this year with 70 students per section. If they wanted to increase class size more, they'd have to create another section and completely redo the scheduling of classes.

2. If you increase class size without a very large increase in applicants, your percent admitted goes up and your ranking goes down. That's what happened to Duke a few years back when they increased their class size. Schools tend to increase class size very slowly.

Like I said, I have no actual proof of this, but every indication points to next year being a much more difficult year to get accepted at Tuck.

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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 06 Sep 2010, 19:36
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Decided to move to November round :P

Going to an event in LA tomorrow, and I'm gonna ask how BIG visiting the campus is for the admission. Ticket + lodging + misc = at least $800 from CA, and my fund is bottoming.


Make sure to ask out loud because I want to hear the answer. Same boat as you, that's why I didn't schedule an interview...


Will be going to Hanover later this month for a campus visit and interview. Looking forward to driving up from BOS and seeing the country.
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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 07 Sep 2010, 02:25
RF -

I visited campus late last month, and really liked it.

I got in touch with a few current students / alums via email, however they are not the students who were speaking at the student panel during my visit. I have read interview reports on ClearAdmit of being asked specific names of students you come across during campus visits - I dont have any names from my visit....

is that a problem?

thanks!

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Question for you Refurb, having read your comments on that, can the self-initiated interview be counted as a "class visit" as well, granted that the interview will be just a small portion of the day that I'll spend on Tuck campus? Will this "class visit" and luncheon with students be sufficient enough to show that I am interested in Tuck without going to any reception or forum in the other part of the country?


The answer is yes. If the only trip you make to Hanover is for your interview, you're good. You'll get a chance to sit in on a class, get a tour and have lunch with students.

The concern for the admissions people is that if you never come up to Tuck and get in, you might hate it.

For those of you who can't make a formal visit to Hanover for whatever reason, there are many things you can do to alleviate the concerns of admissions:

1. Talk to lots of alums/current students. Ask them about what they liked/didn't like about going to Tuck (outside of classes). Ask them what type of person would "fit" in a place like Tuck. If something resonates with you, put it in your essays!

2. Just come up to Hanover! If you're in Boston, take a drive up to Hanover, walk around campus and down main street. See what it's like. Even if you never talk to anyone while you're here, you'll get a sense of the place. This would work well if you can only make it during the weekend.

The lack of a campus visit all depends on how far away you are. Obviously, if you're in Boston and you don't visit, it will look very bad. If you're in San Diego, allowances are made, but you better show you did your homework. For the international students, I don't think there is any expectation you visit campus (except maybe those applicants in eastern Canada). It will certainly help if you can visit, but admissions understands that someone in India or Europe can't spend $2000 just to visit a school for an afternoon.

Good luck guys!!

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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 07 Sep 2010, 20:04
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refurb, do you know of any plans to increase current class size to 350 or more, from 250? What if the number of applicants this year jumps from 2xxx to 3000? Would Tuck be able to make the necessary adjustment?


There is no way Tuck will increase class size. If anything, the target class size for next year will be LESS than this years class size (280).

There are a number of reasons for this:

1. Facilities. Most of Tuck's classrooms can only fit 70 people or so. In the past there have been 4 sections each year (each section would be approximately 65 students). It's going to be a tight fit this year with 70 students per section. If they wanted to increase class size more, they'd have to create another section and completely redo the scheduling of classes.

2. If you increase class size without a very large increase in applicants, your percent admitted goes up and your ranking goes down. That's what happened to Duke a few years back when they increased their class size. Schools tend to increase class size very slowly.

Like I said, I have no actual proof of this, but every indication points to next year being a much more difficult year to get accepted at Tuck.

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that's what I imagined. I appreciate your time in responding to this question.
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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2010, 05:18
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bakfed:

I actually asked that question yesterday directly to the admission lady.

She admitted overflow for class of 2012, and she expects the same high yield rate this year too. But she officially said not to worry about it too much and not to believe too much what you read in internet. But IMO, her nervous chuckle discounted what she said :x


OK, I love Tuck and don't want to disparage what admissions says, but the numbers speak for themselves.

The normal target for class size is 250.
The number of students who accepted the offer of admission for Class of 2012 was ~310.
The class size for 2012 is ~280.
That means 30 students deferred until next year. These are students who said "YES!" I want to come to Tuck! I would guess that at least 2/3 will end up coming to Tuck next year.

So that means with a class size of 250, 8-12% of the spots are already gone for next year. Obviously it will be more difficult to get into Tuck next year. How much harder? Who knows? But it will be harder.

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I am a little confused here. I know that the number of admitted applicants is higher than the class size to compensate the yield, i.e., some admitted people who will end up in another school. But in this specific case, don't you think that Tuck can end up getting into an even bigger trouble ? I mean, the deferred candidates would have plenty of time to apply or reapply to another high ranked schools and could get admitted, lowering Tuck's yield even more (54%, one of the lowest of the Top Ten).

How Tuck is going to "secure" most of these deferred people ? Scholarships ?

Don't take me wrong, Tuck is a wonderful program, but unfortunately most of the people still consider BW & US NEWS ranks as the final decision factor.

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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2010, 05:24
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RF -

I visited campus late last month, and really liked it.

I got in touch with a few current students / alums via email, however they are not the students who were speaking at the student panel during my visit. I have read interview reports on ClearAdmit of being asked specific names of students you come across during campus visits - I dont have any names from my visit....

is that a problem?

thanks!


Nope. I was never asked the names of students I met during the visit. If you are asked, mentioning the names of current students you talked to by email is more than good enough.

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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2010, 05:27
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I am a little confused here. I know that the number of admitted applicants is higher than the class size to compensate the yield, i.e., some admitted people who will end up in another school. But in this specific case, don't you think that Tuck can end up getting into an even bigger trouble ? I mean, the deferred candidates would have plenty of time to apply or reapply to another high ranked schools and could get admitted, lowering Tuck's yield (if it is really an important concern for Tuck).

How Tuck is going to "secure" most of these deferred people ? Scholarships ?

Don't take me wrong, Tuck is a wonderful program, but unfortunately most of the people still consider BW & US NEWS ranks as the final decision factor.


You are right, not every single one of those students who deferred will choose to attend Tuck next year. However, from what I heard, students who did defer were given a SUBSTANTIAL discount on their first year tuition (think 50%).

I'm sure that will help make people's decision easier!

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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2010, 19:58
I need some perspective on Essay 3 (What is the greatest challenge or hurdle you have overcome, either personally or professionally, and how did you manage to do so?). Do you take this to mean

a. Make a list of all your challenges/obstacles, both personal and professional, tell us about the greatest on the list;
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b. Make one list of all your professional obstacles, and another with your personal challenges, and choose the greatest challenge from either of those two lists and tell us about it.

Did anyone have a different interpretation on this?
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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2010, 20:22
estreet, what I did with the third essay is that I listed the one biggest challenge that I had to overcome professionally. I do not think the essay is asking for a list of challenges, as it specifically mentioned "greatest challenge" (i.e. greatest = one example). I think it's the elaboration and explanation of this challenge, and what you have learned after the fact that will make the different in this essay. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2010, 02:33
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estreet, what I did with the third essay is that I listed the one biggest challenge that I had to overcome professionally. I do not think the essay is asking for a list of challenges, as it specifically mentioned "greatest challenge" (i.e. greatest = one example). I think it's the elaboration and explanation of this challenge, and what you have learned after the fact that will make the different in this essay. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.


I agree with bakfed, that was how I interpreted it as well. Basically I wrote just one story, explained why it was my greatest challenge, what I did, and what I learnt from it. I used a professional challenge.
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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2010, 05:17
Sorry I wasn't clear. I'm not writing about a list of challenges, I was just curious whether people were reading the question as
-What is your overall #1 greatest challenge from any realm of your life,
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-What is your greatest challenge from your professional life or what is your greatest challenge from your personal life.

What I'm really getting at here is can I get away with my greatest professional challenge, but not my greatest ever?
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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2010, 08:43
how are peeps doing with the Tuck application? I'm pretty much done with it, but I ALWAYS feel that I can do better on the essays. Everytime I open up my essays I feel the need to correct something. It seems as if I'd never be satisfied with my essays. Am I the only one feeling this?
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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2010, 09:03
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how are peeps doing with the Tuck application? I'm pretty much done with it, but I ALWAYS feel that I can do better on the essays. Everytime I open up my essays I feel the need to correct something. It seems as if I'd never be satisfied with my essays. Am I the only one feeling this?


You are not alone my brother. They say submit your application when you feel it is the strongest it can be....at this rate I'll be applying for class of 2020
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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2010, 09:50
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how are peeps doing with the Tuck application? I'm pretty much done with it, but I ALWAYS feel that I can do better on the essays. Everytime I open up my essays I feel the need to correct something. It seems as if I'd never be satisfied with my essays. Am I the only one feeling this?


You are not alone my brother. They say submit your application when you feel it is the strongest it can be....at this rate I'll be applying for class of 2020


man, glad to know that. And it's not just for Tuck, but for every one of my applications. I just cannot be satisfied with the essays... :?
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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2010, 11:11
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bakfed wrote:
how are peeps doing with the Tuck application? I'm pretty much done with it, but I ALWAYS feel that I can do better on the essays. Everytime I open up my essays I feel the need to correct something. It seems as if I'd never be satisfied with my essays. Am I the only one feeling this?


You are not alone my brother. They say submit your application when you feel it is the strongest it can be....at this rate I'll be applying for class of 2020


man, glad to know that. And it's just for Tuck, but for every one of my applications. I just cannot be satisfied with the essays... :?


you guys are ahead of the game...still working on my first two apps here...neither really done... :-o
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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2010, 13:42
Hey, first time poster. I will be applying in Round 2

I know this is just wishful thinking but I figure I would throw it out there to see what people think. Today, I received an invite for Tuck Diversity Conference 2010. If one were to apply and get in. Does this have good implications for your application? (assuming they like you at this conference) I dont mean "Hey it is good that you came. Congrats. Good luck in the application".

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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 14 Sep 2010, 08:08
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Hey, first time poster. I will be applying in Round 2

I know this is just wishful thinking but I figure I would throw it out there to see what people think. Today, I received an invite for Tuck Diversity Conference 2010. If one were to apply and get in. Does this have good implications for your application? (assuming they like you at this conference) I dont mean "Hey it is good that you came. Congrats. Good luck in the application".

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No, it really doesn't matter.
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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 14 Sep 2010, 10:44
Given circumstances, I've decided not to apply to Tuck - I can't fly out to NH and that will always be on my mind.

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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 15 Sep 2010, 06:43
sorry to hear that, chostein. I wish you best of luck with your other applications.
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Re: Calling All Fall 2011 Dartmouth (Tuck) Applicants [#permalink] New post 15 Sep 2010, 15:09
Tuck is probably the only school in the top 10 that allows two GMAT scores (I haven't done research on other schools but that is neither here nor there). Does anyone know how Tuck uses the scores? Are they looking at the breakdowns or do they want an upward progression?
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