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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  29 Mar 2012, 10:09
HBS WAITLIST HAS 178 PEOPLE ON IT, THEY TELL ROUND ONE WLERS

March 29, 2012
Dear ______:

. . . .I can say with certainty that we will be making more offers to Round 1 waitlist candidates, but not until after our Round 2 response date of May 3.
You are a "qualified" candidate for HBS...no doubts. This is about the challenge of shaping a class, which is more complicated than evaluating the capabilities of individuals.
I can't assess your individual chances of being offered a place. If it helps, you are among 178 candidates on the waitlist; this includes both Rounds 1 and 2 applicants. I predict that we will be able to offer admission to between 25 and 50 waitlisters - but this is just my prediction.Dana Scalisi will continue to be your contact person. Please let her know via email if you'd like to remain on the waitlist or remove yourself from consideration.
We sincerely appreciate your patience and will do our best to keep you informed.
Sincerely,
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Dillon House
Boston, MA 02163
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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  29 Mar 2012, 10:11
Congratulations to all who were admitted! Looking forward to having you on campus
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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  29 Mar 2012, 10:29
BTW SOMEONE TELL ME WHEN WHARTON OR STANFORD ACTUALLY REVEALS ITS WL NUMBERS OR IS ONE-TENTH AS TRANSPARENT AND EMPATHETIC AS THIS.
HEY DERICK, FOR ALL YOUR PC NICE-GUY BLUSTER, HOW ABOUT SOME ACTUAL FACTS AND ACTS WHICH HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND YOUR PROCESS. WHARTON, OF COURSE, IN THEIR ADCOM COMMUNICATION SKILLS, IS IN THE STONE AGE. ANYONE DISAGREE???

hbsguru wrote:
HBS WAITLIST HAS 178 PEOPLE ON IT, THEY TELL ROUND ONE WLERS

March 29, 2012
Dear ______:

. . . .I can say with certainty that we will be making more offers to Round 1 waitlist candidates, but not until after our Round 2 response date of May 3.
You are a "qualified" candidate for HBS...no doubts. This is about the challenge of shaping a class, which is more complicated than evaluating the capabilities of individuals.
I can't assess your individual chances of being offered a place. If it helps, you are among 178 candidates on the waitlist; this includes both Rounds 1 and 2 applicants. I predict that we will be able to offer admission to between 25 and 50 waitlisters - but this is just my prediction.Dana Scalisi will continue to be your contact person. Please let her know via email if you'd like to remain on the waitlist or remove yourself from consideration.
We sincerely appreciate your patience and will do our best to keep you informed.
Sincerely,
Dee Leopold
Dillon House
Boston, MA 02163

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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  29 Mar 2012, 10:52
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BTW SOMEONE TELL ME WHEN WHARTON OR STANFORD ACTUALLY REVEALS ITS WL NUMBERS OR IS ONE-TENTH AS TRANSPARENT AND EMPATHETIC AS THIS.
HEY DERICK, FOR ALL YOUR PC NICE-GUY BLUSTER, HOW ABOUT SOME ACTUAL FACTS AND ACTS WHICH HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND YOUR PROCESS. WHARTON, OF COURSE, IN THEIR ADCOM COMMUNICATION SKILLS, IS IN THE STONE AGE. ANYONE DISAGREE???

Amen, my friend.
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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  29 Mar 2012, 10:54
I'm applying in round 3 and I am SO excited/nervous! I am working on my essays at the moment! Anyone else in the same boat?

I am employed as a research scientist and am looking for a career change. I already have a PhD, so my background is a little different to the regular MBA-seeking crowd. Any thoughts on how this type of background is received at HBS??
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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  29 Mar 2012, 11:37
Hi all, Im in at HBS and soooo excited!!! Cant wait to meet U guys... Does HBS have a facebook page for admitted students? I dont know if that info is in the pre-matriculation website somewhere... hmm
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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  29 Mar 2012, 12:07
In too! Congrats all!

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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  29 Mar 2012, 12:27
jjoeteller wrote:
hbsguru wrote:
BTW SOMEONE TELL ME WHEN WHARTON OR STANFORD ACTUALLY REVEALS ITS WL NUMBERS OR IS ONE-TENTH AS TRANSPARENT AND EMPATHETIC AS THIS.
HEY DERICK, FOR ALL YOUR PC NICE-GUY BLUSTER, HOW ABOUT SOME ACTUAL FACTS AND ACTS WHICH HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND YOUR PROCESS. WHARTON, OF COURSE, IN THEIR ADCOM COMMUNICATION SKILLS, IS IN THE STONE AGE. ANYONE DISAGREE???

Amen, my friend.

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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  29 Mar 2012, 13:23
From the blog post:

Feedback for denied candidates post-interview. I carve out time to respond to calls from candidates who have been through the interview process. These calls are rarely dramatic - and I am resolved to not be prescriptive about the future. The vast majority are reassurance that it wasn't anything that is or went wrong...but simply the challenge of comprising a class rich in diversity of backgrounds and perspectives. Details about phone hours will be in the decision letter.

What is the purpose of the calls? a crying shoulder? Do they actually give constructive feedback?
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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  29 Mar 2012, 14:26
Any R2 waitlisters receive any e-mails from Dana yet?
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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  29 Mar 2012, 15:37
tsiria wrote:
jjoeteller wrote:
hbsguru wrote:
BTW SOMEONE TELL ME WHEN WHARTON OR STANFORD ACTUALLY REVEALS ITS WL NUMBERS OR IS ONE-TENTH AS TRANSPARENT AND EMPATHETIC AS THIS.
HEY DERICK, FOR ALL YOUR PC NICE-GUY BLUSTER, HOW ABOUT SOME ACTUAL FACTS AND ACTS WHICH HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND YOUR PROCESS. WHARTON, OF COURSE, IN THEIR ADCOM COMMUNICATION SKILLS, IS IN THE STONE AGE. ANYONE DISAGREE???

Amen, my friend.

DITTO!!!

WHARTON TOUTS THE PARTY LINE. GIVING OUT WAITLIST NUMBERS WOULD MAKE THEIR FUTURE LEADERS TOO NERVOUS, CANNOT HAVE THEM DEAL WITH ACTUAL DATA AND MAKE DECISIONS, CAN WE --AMAZING, WHAT DOES SHE THINK THOSE KIDS WILL DO WHEN THEY ARE CEO'S AND GET SOME ACTUAL DATA TO WORK WITH, COULD BE THE MOST STUPID REMARK OF THE YEAR.

Quote:
Some MBA admission consultants cheered the openness of the communication. “HBS has certainly taken the lead in terms of disclosure and empathy with a great letter like this,” said Sandy Kreisberg, of HBSGuru.com, who closely follows admissions at Harvard. “They are miles ahead of Stanford (despite all of Stanford’s PC-BS about empathy, their adcom process is still a black box) and Wharton (where no one expects anything but communications vetted by PRAVDA anyway, both in tone and information). Dee deserves a medal, this is a great letter and a helpful one.”

Admission officials at Stanford, Chicago Booth, and Northwestern Kellogg have been asked by Poets&Quants for their equivalent wait list numbers, but they have not gotten back to us before publication of this story. Wharton believes the release of this information would only cause applicants to feel greater pressure than they already do. “We don’t disclose our waitlist numbers as it creates anxiety among applicants,” said Ankur Kumar, admissions director at Wharton, told Poets&Quants in an email.

http://poetsandquants.com/2012/03/29/hb ... -waitlist/
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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  29 Mar 2012, 16:20
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What is the purpose of the calls? a crying shoulder? Do they actually give constructive feedback?

as noted on my annotation of that blog post, sometimes. if you get Dee in a good mood, she will read stuff from your interview reports, and make other incisive remarks, amid the chatter, not always, but worth it.
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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  30 Mar 2012, 01:56
Is there a FB group for admitted students? Would love to connect with future classmates!
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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  30 Mar 2012, 02:54
fr Poets and Quants comments about dif between HBS and Wharton in terms of WL.
http://poetsandquants.com/2012/03/29/hb ... -waitlist/
Quote:
Wharton's claim to care about student anxiety is particularly idiotic given that:

1) they decided to use a two week, rolling process for releasing interview invites this year (the dumbest and most stress inducing process for applicants in my opinion)

and

2) Wharton is notorious for keeping students on their waitlist for months without a single update before finally rejecting them before
school starts.

In complete contrast, HBS has made a lot of changes to their procedures based on applicant feedback (ex: getting rid of rolling interview invites, disclosing the specific number of invites released on each day, etc). In that regard, I really respect Dee and the HBS adcom for adopting such transparent and applicant-friendly procedures.

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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  30 Mar 2012, 12:55
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Is there a FB group for admitted students? Would love to connect with future classmates!

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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  31 Mar 2012, 02:14
Thank you!
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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  31 Mar 2012, 08:38
Just checked my email (was travelling) and found out I was admitted! Now selling some GMAT books
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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  16 Apr 2012, 05:36
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Subject: Re: HBS Interview Debrief
haha, sounds real good, dude, you cert passed the interview and may have added some cred to your story.
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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  17 Apr 2012, 07:14
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Hey, I am so nervous! How many invites do you think they will send today and next tuesday for 2+2? I honestly can't focus on any school or work until I know something, what time of day do they usually send invites?

well, results like this often are sent at noon [EDT] and if past year is a guide,more invites wil go out today than next week, but ya never know.

As to number of invites they will send out in total, I think 150-300, closer to 150. See highly speculative and convoluted "analysis" below

you can begin with the fact that ALL interviews will be done over 4 days ONLY, at HBS (see Dee's blog note), which puts a logistical cap on that number. (Plus some Skype interviews),. I mean there are only 16-20 adcom members, they freq. have an observer at an interview, so 8-10 teams, doing 5 or 6 a day. That would be running at full capacity and at a volume that is deeply untypical. Altho sure, they dont need two people per team, and in a pinch could have one person per interview (as was prior practice until recently). That just helps put an upper on things.
Another way to dope it out is that a 2+2 class typically runs 105-110 kids, which is the residue of a ~60 percent yield fr. all 2+2 interviews. 110=.6x and x = 183, but sure, this year lots of 2+2 kids have already been admitted, soooooo, on the other hand, during those 4 days they will also be interviewing some number of regular Round 3 applicants, and also kids on WL who have not yet been interviewed ( a small group but . . . ).
If you are still with me, none of the above really gives you a number, but based on my historical experience with this, and my gut, I'd say they will interveiwing ~250-180 kids to get 150-100 more admits which includes 2+2 kids and R3 admits. That means 60-45 kids a day at Dillon House and its environs. At 5-6 interviews per team that means 10-7 teams, which seems high, which leads me to believe there will not be as many two person on one interviews as in the past.
This is all really back-of-the-envelope stuff. But I'd say with some confidence that total number of interviews over those 4 days will go fr. 150-300.
I also guess, based on nothing more than official numbers released for R1 and R2, that they will send out about 70-80 pct of those invites today, and the rest next week.
Folks, just thinking out loud here. ANd of course, the number you really want, how many applicants are there, both 2+2 and R3 is a real mystery.

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Re: HBS 2012 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink]  24 Apr 2012, 07:37
30 minutes until interview invites or dings for 2+2 applicants. Can't focus on anything!!
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