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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 19 Apr 2010, 14:15
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Penn State B School, among others, buy plagiarism checker for app. essays.
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April 8, 2010
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Exactly How Personal Is That Personal Statement?
Talk about chutzpah. The admissions director for Penn State’s M.B.A. program, Carrie Marcinkevage, recalls that the school once received a student essay with three of four paragraphs taken directly from an article online. “It was, ironically, in our ‘Principled Leadership’ admissions essay,” she says.

Turnitin, a company that exposes cut-and-paste malfeasance in term papers, is introducing a system to detect plagiarism on applications, and Penn State’s M.B.A. program is the first to sign up.

To demonstrate the program’s effectiveness, Turnitin conducted a test involving 450,000 applicants’ personal statements in an unnamed English-speaking country (not ours) and in January announced that it had found 70,000 “significant matches” with other material. Familiar phrases like, “I’m an ideal candidate for your college because …” won’t activate the alert, but if the rest of that sentence closely tracks someone else’s words, you’d be busted.

“We would call 15 percent of a personal statement matching other documents suspicious,” says Jeff Lorton, the company’s product and business development manager. According to a Turnitin data crunch, the odds of writing the same 16 words in the same order (not including and, of, a, the) by chance are one in a trillion.

The system looks for patterns in language more than identical words. So if you write “the system seeks patterns in language more than the exact same words,” you’d also be busted. Admissions offices will get a side-by-side comparison from which to make a final call: is it or isn’t it?

“Students applying to competitive colleges often have up to 15 different admission essays,” says Daniel Stern, founder of the Web-based College Essay Organizer. “When they confront the reality close to deadlines and feel so overwhelmed they don’t know where to start, they panic.”


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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 21 Apr 2010, 08:43
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So basically those 40 spots are reserved for friends and family of high-rollers or Hail Mary applications... perhaps "Hail Dee" applications is more accurate...


[color=#4000FF]My point was, there are NO 40 slots of college seniors, HBS expects most college seniors to take two years off. those so-called 40 slots were distributed over the whole app pool, that mostly clear blue + shimmering +heart shaped oasis (with some scum and dead leaves and suntan lotion and grand-child PP) in Dee's backyard.
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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 23 Apr 2010, 16:47
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A week or so ago you posted an article about Duke's undergraduate waitlist and how dismal the prospects are there. What is the story with the MBA waitlist at Duke?

not totally sure, but that story was posted as a marker--the policy of ALL schools is have large WLs, altho not as huge as Duke College-- a lovely school with a toxic set of admission policies including embedded corruption, nepotism (even by ritzy, private college norms), gold-digging and world-class hypocrisy, but I digress-- and use WL as favor bank, insurance, and, in 2 or 3 cases in ALL OF RECORDED HISTORY, INCLUDING HISTORY PRIOR TO THE FOUNDING OF USA, to, ahem, round out the class. Duke College, you may have noticed fr. story, is searching high and low for Violinists, etc. Who knows perchance Duke B School has lost its only female, left-handed, 3rd world debt analyst who can fill in on co-ed rugby team? Snatched, ahem, away, by Stanford R3 after rugby club coach sent out S-O-S. Sound like you???? You got a chance.
actually, as noted, most schools have WL that are 10X the size of admits, and at this date, maybe more, altho some schools have already begun to cull WL. But 10 pct is good rule of thumb on WL, taking into account, that ALL kids on WL are pretty darn qualified to begin with, so that is when 10 pct starts looking like long odds, e.g. I'm thinking of a number from 1 to 10 type odds.

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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 03 May 2010, 08:42
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HBS TO TAKE 50 KIDS OFF WL IN NEXT TWO WEEKS.

SK IS DUBIOUS, AND BELIEVES THIS NUMBER ALSO INCLUDES THE 10 OR SO KIDS (OR MORE) THEY TOOK LAST WEEK.

ANYONE WHO GOT IN OFF HBS WL LAST WEEK, PLEASE CHECK IN.


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Hello Everyone:

It’s Eileen Chang from the MBA Admissions Board at HBS with the May

update on our Admissions process.

At this point, we have received all applications that will be considered

for the Class of 2012. We have already begun actively reviewing our

waitlist candidates and have started making decisions on many of these

applications. We also began interviewing round 3 candidates this week,

so we are in the final stretch of finalizing the class.


We expect there to be a lot of movement on our waitlist these next two

weeks and anticipate making approximately 50 offers of admission between

now and the round 3 notification date of May 13. We know that many of

you are anxious for resolution on your application, and the majority of

you should expect to hear a decision on your application by May 13.


Heading into June, the waitlist will be significantly smaller. The

waitlist at that time will serve to hold a group of candidates who could

be available to matriculate in case last minute (early July)

cancellations occur.


It is critical to keep your contact information updated, especially

since many of you are traveling now and over the next few weeks. If

there is a change to your phone number, email address, or mailing

address, please email my colleague, Dana Scalisi….blah, blah blah

Sincerely,


Eileen Chang

MBA Admissions

Harvard Business School

Soldiers Field Road

Dillon House

Boston, MA 02163

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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 04 May 2010, 07:58
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what the heck does this have to do with HBS?

Interesting article, but if I was interested in studies regarding the correlation between power and lying, I'd seek it out elsewhere.

The HBS applicant thread has turned from something useful to applicants, to something useless.


hmmmm, it was published in Harvard Business Review, and gave a list of tips about good/bad body language, speech habits, during interviews. I posted it at the beginning of HBS Round 3 interview week, both as general interest, some tips about what to be concerned about while interviewing at HBS or anyplace else, dunno????
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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 04 May 2010, 11:55
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New HBS Dean,
not a woman, not a Mormon, and does not have a Harvard Degree (IIT and MIT).
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2010/05/nitin-nohria-named-next-dean-of-harvard-business-school/
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Demonic11 wrote:
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He also sounds really humble, polished, and down to earth.


You too. "I signed my high school yearbook in 2002 (xxxx yyyy, Harvard MBA)."


full quote, since you're clearly trying to take me out of context.

"I am speechless. Accepted to HBS. My dream school. I signed my high school yearbook in 2002 (xxxx yyyy, Harvard MBA). And now that dream is going to come true. I really have no words to describe my elation! :-D Thanks to everyone here for their insight and helpful advice throughout this process. ..."


the context is irrelevant... there's no need to go off making snide remarks about Sandy because of how you interpret him. If you want to take issue with Sandy's posts, then great... do so in a constructive manner.
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Will you all just shut up. Go to the BW forums if you want to keep flaming.
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I'm a third round candidate who had my interview last Thursday. I guess now I'm just waiting. I was wondering if anyone knew how notifications were released. Should I expect to hear May 13th?

From what I've read here it appears waitlisters were now on a sort of rolling admission and could be getting notified daily. Does the same hold true for 3rd round candidates? Or am I expected to wait until the 11th hour?
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Yup. I was waitlisted. If you log on you should be able to see their response.

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I was waitlisted also - at exactly noon. JnJ - what are your feelings on the waitlist in Round 3?
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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 20 May 2010, 00:57
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Were there any admits on the thread that reapplied this year after being turned down in 2009? I'd love to hear about any of your experiences and what you did differently this time around. Please send me a PM if you don't mind sharing.


Yes, WL last year and got admitted this year.

I improved my application and had a much better interview. :) I don't think there is a trick for reapplicant but you should try to be clear whether
1) You were competitive and somehow your application or interview was not as good as you could have done
2) Your were not competitive (no interview) and basically, re-applying is useless
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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 22 May 2010, 10:57
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Hi Everyone,

I would really appreciate it if Sandy the HBS guru or any HBS veteran applicants could give me some advice with regards to structure of the 3 accomplishment essay.

Should I number the accomplishments?

1) accomplishment 1
sub-essay
2) accomplishment 2
sub-essay
3) accomplishment 3
sub-essay

Or should they be embedded? So I will start the first sentence of each sub-essay with: "My proudest accomplishment is XXXX"

Would it be okay to do neither of above and just separate the sub essays into 3 paragraphs? The adcom could easily assume that they are 3 different accomplishments? Reason I ask is because the word limit is extremely restricting. Right now, I'm at 650 words after cutting it down from 1200. And every word counts..

Thanks for your help!


Not sure what best practice is, but I actually used subtitles. I was struggling with the word limit as well otherwise if I had to make 1 coherent essay out of 3 completely different accomplishments.

Achievement 1 title
1/3 word limit for achievement 1

Achievement 2 title
1/3 word limit for achievement 2

Achievement 3 title
1/3 word limit for achievement 3

I got accepted at HBS, so at least they didn't hate the approach. :-)
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Hi Everyone,
I would really appreciate it if Sandy the HBS guru or any HBS veteran applicants could give me some advice with regards to structure of the 3 accomplishment essay.
Should I number the accomplishments?
1) accomplishment 1
sub-essay
2) accomplishment 2
sub-essay
3) accomplishment 3
sub-essay
Or should they be embedded? So I will start the first sentence of each sub-essay with: "My proudest accomplishment is XXXX"
Would it be okay to do neither of above and just separate the sub essays into 3 paragraphs? The adcom could easily assume that they are 3 different accomplishments? Reason I ask is because the word limit is extremely restricting. Right now, I'm at 650 words after cutting it down from 1200. And every word counts..

Thanks for your help!


I did the same as suker but without the subtitles. Essays should be sufficently clear so that they figure out you list your 3 accomplishments :) I know people who have done like me and people who have done like Suker. The "one embedded" essay will be very difficult to achieve. You loose some words with transitions which is not a good thing when struggling with word limit
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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 24 May 2010, 11:28
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I didn't number the accomplishments to save on words... I think you can make either way work. Also, mine were pretty choppy and that's fine... it is not meant to be a cohesive essay. A great source for the many ways this essay is done is "65 successful harvard business school essays". This book was extremely helpful in thinking through how to successfully structure my HBS essays.

The general rule is you can go 5% over the word limit. However, I did go ~40 words over on some of those 400 word essays... and still got in.

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Hi Everyone,
I would really appreciate it if Sandy the HBS guru or any HBS veteran applicants could give me some advice with regards to structure of the 3 accomplishment essay.
Should I number the accomplishments?
1) accomplishment 1
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2) accomplishment 2
sub-essay
3) accomplishment 3
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Or should they be embedded? So I will start the first sentence of each sub-essay with: "My proudest accomplishment is XXXX"
Would it be okay to do neither of above and just separate the sub essays into 3 paragraphs? The adcom could easily assume that they are 3 different accomplishments? Reason I ask is because the word limit is extremely restricting. Right now, I'm at 650 words after cutting it down from 1200. And every word counts..

Thanks for your help!


I did the same as suker but without the subtitles. Essays should be sufficently clear so that they figure out you list your 3 accomplishments :) I know people who have done like me and people who have done like Suker. The "one embedded" essay will be very difficult to achieve. You loose some words with transitions which is not a good thing when struggling with word limit


Thank you Magellan! But without transitions, wouldn't the essay be a little choppy? Is that okay?
Also, I was wondering if generally it's okay to go over the word limit? 625 - 650 words on the 600 word essay?

Thanks for your help!
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Re: Calling all HBS for 2010 [#permalink] New post 20 May 2009, 16:53
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After posting and deleting (by accident) the thread, here we go again ;-)


Oh thank god. That explains it!
I know I moved your post out of Calling All 2010 Applicants thread into Calling All HBS 2010 thread and then all of a sudden, it went missing...

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Re: Calling all HBS for 2010 [#permalink] New post 20 May 2009, 16:54
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After posting and deleting (by accident) the thread, here we go again ;-)


Oh thank god. That explains it!
I know I moved your post out of Calling All 2010 Applicants thread into Calling All HBS 2010 thread and then all of a sudden, it went missing...

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Sorry - I thought I put the post in a wrong thread and deleted it... well getting older and confused ;-)
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Re: Calling all HBS candidates for 2010 [#permalink] New post 20 May 2009, 17:01
In for R1. I look most forward to the HBS and Stanford essays... What do you think about the decision regarding HBS allowing the GRE instead of the GMAT...?
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Re: Calling all HBS candidates for 2010 [#permalink] New post 20 May 2009, 17:37
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In for R1. I look most forward to the HBS and Stanford essays... What do you think about the decision regarding HBS allowing the GRE instead of the GMAT...?


Not really sure what this means... maybe they don't wanna be "worse" than Stanford... maybe indeed they plan on fighting GMAC's monopoly... maybe this means further "Age Jihad"... or maybe...?

BTW, I love the idea of R1 notifications before Christmas. If you're in you have best Christmas present ever and also you can tell (show off ;) your family and make them happy (jealous). If you're dinged then at least you don't worry over the Christmas about decision. And if you're waitlisted it doesn't make any difference to you.

So now we have already HBS, Stanford, Booth, Wharton releasing R1 decision before Christmas... Nice!
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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 20 May 2009, 18:02
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