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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  12 Apr 2010, 17:24
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Have you ever heard of a student that was dinged by HBS appeal the decision with success? Friends of mine did this for undergrad and got in (after they were dinged). I'm at HLS now and didnt get into HBS, w/o interview (for the second time). Needless to say I am determined to get in and overcome the low-tier undergrad, non-traditional-HBS resume stigma that HBS seems to have placed on my applications. Thoughts?

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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  14 Apr 2010, 08:10
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Anyone managed to start the Kroll process? System does not recognise my ID/Pass yet..

I'd give them an email. I was able to login with any issue and start the Kroll process. It's so annoying when you have to fax something though.

I managed to start the process as well. Need to do the faxing...

Already faxed my stuff. Was anybody asked to fax their W2? I don't remember if we had to do that .....
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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  14 Apr 2010, 09:20
Can we already start the Kroll process before submitting the deposit? Thanks!
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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  15 Apr 2010, 11:01
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Duke (undergrd) WL is 3383--Duke expects to take 60.

Similar stats at Ivies.

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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  15 Apr 2010, 11:07
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Duke (undergrd) WL is 3383--Duke expects to take 60.

Similar stats at Ivies.

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THIS IS 2003 WALL ST JOURNAL ARTICLE HIGHLIGHTING THE CORRUPTION OF DUKE UNDERGRADUATE ADMISSIONS. DONT THINK THESE PRACTICES ARE LIMITED TO DUKE. AS TO ADCOMS REMARK IN STORY ABOVE THAT WL CANDIDATES WILL BE CHOSEN ON HOW MANY VIOLINISTS ETC. IT TURNS OUT DUKE NEEDS, WELL, VIOLINISTS, INDEED. THE ONLY VIOLINISTS DUKE CARES ABOUT IS THE OWNER OF ABOUT 6 STRADS WHO IS WILLING TO DONATE THEM TO DUKE MUSIC DEPARTMENT

as noted so many times, the real reason to go to schools like Ivies and Duke is that you have fine-spoken people like their adcom directors willing to lie for you--that is a large part of what you are buying.

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Seeking Big Donors, Duke Woos
By DANIEL GOLDEN
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
DURHAM, N.C. -- Despite her boarding-school education and a personal tutor, Maude Bunn's SAT scores weren't high enough for a typical student to earn admission to Duke University.
But Ms. Bunn had something else going for her -- coffeemakers. Her Bunn forebears built a fortune on them and, with Duke hoping to woo her wealthy parents as donors, she was admitted.
Afterward, her parents promptly became co-chairmen of a Duke fund-raising effort aimed at other Duke parents. "My child was given a gift, she got in, and now I'm giving back," says Maude's mother, Cissy Bunn, who declines to say how much the family has contributed to the university.
Most universities acknowledge favoring children of alumni who support their alma mater. But to attract prospective donors, colleges are also bending admissions standards to make space for children from rich or influential families that lack longstanding ties to the institutions. Through referrals and word-of-mouth, schools identify applicants from well-to-do families. Then, as soon as these students enroll, universities start soliciting gifts from their parents.
Duke says it has never traded an admission for a donation. "There's no quid pro quo, no bargains have been struck," says Peter Vaughn, director of development communications.

[now that is what I call a job title--he is mouthpiece for the develpment (aka bribe) office. And I thought calling yourself an admissions consultant was humiliating????]

While it won't comment on individual cases, the university notes that financial gifts from parents are used to update facilities and provide financial aid, among other things.

. . . .Top schools ranging from Stanford University to Emory University say they occasionally consider parental wealth in admission decisions. Other elite schools, such as Massachusetts Institute of Technology, say parental means don't influence them. "I understand why universities leverage parent contacts to enrich themselves," says Marilee Jones, dean of admissions at MIT. "If somebody's offering them a check, why not take it? But I honestly think it's out of control."

[YOU MAY RECALL THAT OH-SO-HONEST MS. JONES WAS LATER FIRED BY MIT FOR LYING ABOUT HER RESUME]
While children of the wealthy have long had advantages getting into colleges, a look at how "development" admissions works at Duke shows how institutionalized the process has become at some major universities.
Under-endowed compared with rivals such as Harvard, Princeton and Stanford, Duke has been particularly aggressive in snaring donors through admissions breaks. Widely considered one of the nation's top ten universities, Duke accepts 23% of its applicants and turns down more than 600 high-school valedictorians a year. Three-fourths of its students score above 1320 out of a perfect 1600 on the SATs.
Yet in recent years, Duke says it has relaxed these standards to admit 100 to 125 students annually as a result of family wealth or connections, up from about 20 a decade ago. These students aren't alumni children and were tentatively rejected, or wait-listed, in the regular admissions review. More than half of them enroll, constituting an estimated 3% to 5% of Duke's student body of 6,200.
The strategy appears to be paying off. For the last six years, Duke says it has led all universities nationwide in unrestricted gifts to its annual fund from nonalumni parents: about $3.1 million in 2001-2002. A university fund-raising campaign recently met its$2 billion goal. While 35% of alumni donate to Duke, 52% of parents of last year's freshman class contributed to the university -- besides paying $35,000 in tuition and room and board. Students admitted for development reasons graduate at a higher rate than the overall student body, Duke says, although their grades are slightly lower. These applicants are held to the same lesser standard as some top athletes; not whether they can excel, but whether they can graduate. "There's never been a case where I think the student can't be successful at Duke, and the student is admitted," says admissions director Christoph Guttentag. Caroline Diemar, a Duke senior, says she favors maintaining minority preference for college admissions because she knows from experience that well-connected white students get a boost too. The daughter of an investment banker, she applied early to Duke despite an 1190 SAT score. Her candidacy was deferred to the spring. She then buttressed her application with recommendations from two family friends who were Duke donors, and she was accepted. "I needed something to make me stand out," says Ms. Diemar, a sociology major with a 3.2 grade point average, below the 3.4 average of the senior class. "Everybody at Duke has something that got them in." The lesson she learned: "Networking is how you go about everything." After she enrolled, Duke recruited Ms. Diemar's parents to serve as co-chairmen of a fund-raising effort. Her father, Robert Diemar, declined to say how much he has given to Duke. "We support all of our five children's schools," said Mr. Diemar, a Princeton alumnus. He said Duke accepted his daughter on merit. . . . . The late Terry Sanford, Duke president from 1969 to 1985, practiced donor preference on a large scale. Mr. Sanford, a gregarious former North Carolina governor, used his wide circle of contacts in business, politics and the media to elevate Duke from a regional to a national university. According to Keith Brodie, Duke's president emeritus, Mr. Sanford would personally meet each year with the admissions and development directors to ensure special attention for 200 of these friends' children applying to Duke. More than 100 would ultimately enroll. As president from 1985 to 1993, Dr. Brodie says, he removed himself from the admissions process, resisted lobbying by some trustees, and trimmed the number of underqualified students admitted due to donor preference to 20 a year. "A Duke education is too valuable an asset to squander," says Dr. Brodie, a professor of psychiatry, who was criticized as president for a lack of fund-raising zeal. "University presidents are under greater pressure than ever to raise money," he adds. "I suspect many of them have turned to admissions to help that process." Harold Wingood, who was senior associate director of admissions under Dr. Brodie, recalls that 30 to 40 students per year were upgraded from "rejected" to "wait-list," or from "wait-list" to "admit" due to their family ties. "We'd take students in some cases with SAT scores 100 points below the mean, or just outside the top 15% of their class," says Mr. Wingood, now dean of admissions at Clark University in Worcester, Mass. "They weren't slugs, but they weren't strong enough to get in on their own." The numbers have increased under Ms. Keohane, Duke's current president. Duke says it admitted about 125 nonalumni children in 1998, and again in 1999, who had been tentatively rejected or wait-listed prior to considering family connections. It accepted 99 such students in 2000. Similar data aren't available for 2001 or 2002, the school says. Ms. Keohane says she didn't intentionally increase the number of wealthy applicants given a leg up. She says "it is possible that the numbers drifted upward" during the recent$2 billion-fundraising campaign because "more people in development expressed interest in candidates. But this was certainly not a policy directive, or even a conscious choice."
The system at Duke works this way: Through its own network and names supplied by trustees, alumni, donors and others, the development office identifies about 500 likely applicants with rich or powerful parents who are not alumni. (Children of major alumni donors are given similar preference in a separate process.) It cultivates them with campus tours and basic admissions advice; for instance, applying early increases their chances. It also relays the names to the admissions office, which returns word if any of the students forget to apply -- so development can remind them.
The development office then winnows the initial 500 into at least 160 high-priority applicants. Although these names are flagged in the admissions-office computer, admissions readers evaluate them on merit, without regard to family means. About 30 to 40 are accepted, the others tentatively rejected or wait-listed. During an all-day meeting in March, Mr. Guttentag and John Piva Jr., senior vice president for development, debate these 120 cases, weighing their family's likely contribution against their academic shortcomings.
In her 2001 book, "Admissions Confidential," former Duke admissions officer Rachel Toor recalled that most admissions officers "hated to see these kids get in" because they were "the weakest part of our applicant pool." Nevertheless, most of the 120 students are admitted.
Once these children of privilege enroll, the development office enlists their parents as donors and fund raisers. According to Dr. Brodie, Duke's parent program originated as a forum for parent concerns about safety issues, but it has evolved into a fund-raising vehicle.
A committee of more than 200 nonalumni parents provides its volunteer army for the four classes currently at Duke. Committee members usually give at least $1,000 to Duke, and the eight co-chairmen and the national chairman much more -- including at least two seven-figure gifts endowing faculty chairs. Membership in the parents' committee is by invitation only and is overwhelmingly white. Lately, one affluent Chicago suburb -- Lake Forest -- has dominated its higher echelons. Lake Forest luminaries on the committee have included department-store heir Marshall Field V, who has given at least$100,000 to Duke; Paul Clark, chief executive of Icos Corp., a biotech firm; Robert DePree, chairman of corn-meal maker House-Autry Mills Inc.; and investment banker Willard Bunn III, Maude's father.
The Lake Forest couples are social friends, serve on many of the same Chicago-area boards and several sent their children to the same private elementary school, Lake Forest Country Day. They write recommendations to Duke for each other's children.
'Pretty Intimate Group'
Susan DePree, Robert's wife, describes the Duke parents committee as a "pretty intimate group" but not "clubby." She declined to say how much she and her husband have contributed to Duke, but says they solicited at least one six-figure gift from a parent-committee member.
Maude Bunn, whose family lives in Lake Forest, attended an elite boarding school in Lawrenceville, N.J., where the Bunn Library opened in 1996. She says other Lake Forest parents recommended her to Duke.
Cissy Bunn acknowledges her daughter didn't fit the academic profile of a Duke student. "She's bright, she had good grades, but she doesn't meet the superstar status," Mrs. Bunn says. "Did my normal child take the place of somebody who could really make a difference in the world? Sure, yes, to an extent. But there are so many things you can lose sleep over. I'm happy for me and my child."
Maude Bunn says she initially felt very awkward at Duke because her admission "wasn't necessarily on my own merits." But these days, the sophomore says she is thriving. "The more time I've spent here, I feel more and more confident -- they didn't have to take me if they didn't think I was equal to all the other students they are admitting," she says. "I'm doing just as well as everybody I know if not better." She is studying art history and wants a career in fashion.
Now her younger sister Meg, a high-school senior, is applying to Duke. Maude says the family likes Meg's chances. "The people my mother works with for fund raising told her, 'It's really hard to get the first child in,' " she says. "After that, sisters and brothers are easier." Duke says it, like many universities, gives some preference to siblings.
Mrs. Bunn says she's not twisting anyone's arm. "I told them, 'If she's qualified at all, that would be lovely,' " she says. "If she gets in, I'd be happy to stay on the parents' committee."
As college admission becomes increasingly competitive, parents try to help their children's chances in any way they can. Duke accepted Jane Hetherington in 2000, despite SAT scores in the mid-1200s and what she calls "average" grades in high school. She attributes her acceptance to a "wonderful recommendation" by Norman Christensen Jr., then dean of Duke's Nicholas School of the Environment and Earth Sciences, a graduate program. She got the recommendation after one meeting with him.
At the time, her father, John Hetherington, was vice president of Westvaco Corp., a paper-products firm that had donated to the school, sponsored research there and hired some of its graduates. Mr. Hetherington asked a family friend on the school's advisory board to have the dean interview Ms. Hetherington.
Mr. Christensen, a Duke professor, says he was impressed by Ms. Hetherington's devotion to environmental studies. The student's father later reciprocated by arranging a meeting between the school's new dean and Westvaco's chief executive officer, hoping the company would increase support for the school. Nothing came of it, says Mr. Hetherington. (Westvaco merged with Mead Corp. last year.)
"I don't feel we benefited from anything you would describe as the traditional white power structure network," says Mr. Hetherington, who is now a Republican state representative in Connecticut and favors a "sunset law" for affirmative action. He doesn't think his position affected his daughter's acceptance into college. "It worked out for some reason," he says. "In all candor, we got lucky."
Write to Daniel Golden at dan.golden@wsj.com
Updated February 20, 2003

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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  15 Apr 2010, 12:33
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Thoughts on the latest USN rankings?

Wharton at #5 - blip or sign of a real change atop the rankings?

SURPRISING ALTHO NOT UNPRECEDENTED (Wharton has dropped out of top 3 before).

The acid test for me is how many kids w. admits to W, MIT, Kellogg or Chi are NOT choosing Wharton.

I'd say not many but more than in previous years by some small but undefinable amnt.

The analyiss of this on the Wharton Fall From Grace thread and USNEWS rankings thread on this Forum cover a lot of clever angles, but consensus view is that what hit Wharton this year was %employed at grad and 3 month post grad (using last year's data!) and thus it was getting slammed b.c. finance (IB/PE etc) hiring was down. That makes some sense, and would also account for the fact that starting salaries were down (quite a bit compared to other schools).

Sooooooo, whether those key stats were recession related, and should uptick next year b.c. market is better, we shall see. Wharton historically had trouble w. the employed at grad and 3 months pst grad stats (even in good times) b.c. kids often held out for dream job in finance rather than take switch careers, and often won their bets. If there was category, employed 6 months post grad, I think W. might tick up in rankings. All that said, fr. numbers in USNEWS report and from just what I hear, last year was really tuff at Wharton, job wise. One issue is did adcom start changing focus just a bit away fr. finance to accept a more 'diverse' class in terms of careers? And hence lower salaries result? Dunno.

The Wharton results cannot be hand-waived away, if there is a total contraction in finance jobs over next x years as a result of some new order resulting fr. legislation/Obama/lack-of-liquidity blah blah, that would be serious for all schools, but esp. Wharton. If all this jive talk about financial reform etc. goes out the window, and DOW keeps going up, and somehow economy turns around, and everyone goes back to the punch bowl again and happy days are here again, well, that would be most happily for Wharton. Predicting that, as our president once said in similar situation, is above my pay grade.

Any current Wharton 2yrs care to check in w. some reliable gossip about how hard it was --or not--to get a finance job this year???

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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  16 Apr 2010, 08:36
Has anyone got Round 3 interview notification yet?
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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  16 Apr 2010, 08:43
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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  16 Apr 2010, 09:05

HBS ROUND 3 INTERVIEW TIMES AND DATES
fyi--this looks like 150 invites for the final 80 admits and mabye another 20-30 odballs off WL

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[April 16th, 2010]

Dear Round 3 Sucker

Warm greetings from Harvard Business School!

After careful consideration of your application materials, we are delighted to inform you that you have been selected for an interview with a member of our MBA Admissions Board. We look forward to the opportunity to get to know you better through our interview process.

We use an online scheduling system to manage our interview process. Since we know that many of our interviewees expect to travel to either our campus in Boston or one of our global hub cities for their interview, we are sending this message in advance so that you are aware of where our Admissions Board members will be traveling and when. We hope this advance notice is helpful to you as you plan for your interview.

We will have interview slots available in the following locations:

Boston (on the HBS campus): May 3-6
London: April 30
Menlo Park: May 3 and 4

You will receive another email from HBS MBA Admissions at noon on Monday, April 19 with a link to our online scheduling system. You will be able to select a specific interview slot at that time. Please note that all of our interview slots are available on a first-come, first-served basis. In the past, our interview slots have filled very quickly, so we encourage you to be prompt in selecting your slot.

Again, we hope this advance notice is helpful to you. Thank you for your interest in Harvard Business School, and we look forward to meeting you soon.

Sincerely yours,
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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  16 Apr 2010, 09:17
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Thanks Sandy.

What do you think is the acceptance rate (from interview -> offer) for seniors? Also, what type of offer could we get? I guess, I'm wondering whether adcom give us the opportunity to defer or basically limits the offer to the deferral?

hmmmmm, senior accpet rate is prob ~60 pct like everyone else. Dunno, last year, according to HBS data, ONE SENIOR enrolled directly and like 40 or so got two year deferral. I'm not sure about how that gets discussed in interviews, but it helps to assume you will deferring and present a plan for what you plan to do for the two years.

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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  18 Apr 2010, 12:50
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Have you ever heard of a student that was dinged by HBS appeal the decision with success? Friends of mine did this for undergrad and got in (after they were dinged). I'm at HLS now and didnt get into HBS, w/o interview (for the second time). Needless to say I am determined to get in and overcome the low-tier undergrad, non-traditional-HBS resume stigma that HBS seems to have placed on my applications. Thoughts?

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NO--what happens is if you actually have any bigfoot in your camp, e.g. big donor, or more likely, PISSED OFF guy at your firm (which hires lotsa HBS kids, viz. Bain Cap, McKinsey, TPG, etc.) who is able to call Dee or Dean Light, they arrange for you to get 'feedback' w. adcom, which does not say anything much (in most cases) but is a signal that if you reapply, you will prob. get in. I've seen that happen dozens of times. What I have never seen at HBS (have seen at Wharton) is a DING being reversed by a phone call. And I've been privy 2nd-hand to some POWERFUL PHONE CALLS, they never Un-Ding you, they just set you up for admission next year.
As to you, which no offense, well your status is just Schmuck -HLS -Burn-Out , a status that includes about 15 percent of the class over at HLS who have quickly discovered 1. Law sucks; 2. There are damn few jobs. HBS was innundated w. HLS apps this year, and not many made it through. Your status next year, as either 3L or dopey grad at the Federal Bean Counting Bureau, where you will be on some Kafka-like assembly-line double-checking mortgage tranches put together by Fab and NYU-HBS grad Mr. Paulson, well, it is even LESS inviting. Sorry, but my advice is just castrate yourself, get a funny hobby, and vow in the next life not to be a lawyer, this life is over, friend. The Boat has Sailed.

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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  19 Apr 2010, 14:15
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April 8, 2010
THE NEW YORK TIMES
Exactly How Personal Is That Personal Statement?
Talk about chutzpah. The admissions director for Penn State’s M.B.A. program, Carrie Marcinkevage, recalls that the school once received a student essay with three of four paragraphs taken directly from an article online. “It was, ironically, in our ‘Principled Leadership’ admissions essay,” she says.

Turnitin, a company that exposes cut-and-paste malfeasance in term papers, is introducing a system to detect plagiarism on applications, and Penn State’s M.B.A. program is the first to sign up.

To demonstrate the program’s effectiveness, Turnitin conducted a test involving 450,000 applicants’ personal statements in an unnamed English-speaking country (not ours) and in January announced that it had found 70,000 “significant matches” with other material. Familiar phrases like, “I’m an ideal candidate for your college because …” won’t activate the alert, but if the rest of that sentence closely tracks someone else’s words, you’d be busted.

“We would call 15 percent of a personal statement matching other documents suspicious,” says Jeff Lorton, the company’s product and business development manager. According to a Turnitin data crunch, the odds of writing the same 16 words in the same order (not including and, of, a, the) by chance are one in a trillion.

The system looks for patterns in language more than identical words. So if you write “the system seeks patterns in language more than the exact same words,” you’d also be busted. Admissions offices will get a side-by-side comparison from which to make a final call: is it or isn’t it?

“Students applying to competitive colleges often have up to 15 different admission essays,” says Daniel Stern, founder of the Web-based College Essay Organizer. “When they confront the reality close to deadlines and feel so overwhelmed they don’t know where to start, they panic.”

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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  19 Apr 2010, 17:06
HBS ROUND 3 INTERVIEW SPECULATIONS.
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R3 Interviews: MP (10 slots, 8 filled), Boston (58 slots, 46 filled), London (6 slots, 3 filled). Looks like around 70 slots slots and only 60 kids.

Does this mean anything regarding our admit chances since it's far less than you expected with ~150 invites or an indication of high enrollment rate/few spots remain? Or...do you just expect more interviews to come out soon?

thanks, it's hard to predict numbers fr. even with the use of official sign up, b.c. they often take stuff down, or add stuf, or arragnge interviews at HBS sort of off the menu, but it looks like, in general, you are right, total number of R3 interviews seems less than 150 and more like 70-80, and a lot of those 58 campus slots could be College seniors. Anyway, it does not, I think, impact admit chances, same general 60 pct odds, no reason for them to change that.
I don't think there will be another wave of R3 interviews,*** what there might be is some interviews of kids on WL who have not been interviewed. Altho I'm just speculating and dont mean to dash any R3 hopes. In prior announcements of invite send dates, HRH NOTES quite specifically that "more invites will dribble out..." etc. while below, sounds definitive, and given the small numbers, etc. it makes sense.

***Thisis what her majesty said about R3 interviews on her blog on April 9th, you can quibble if this means WE WILL BE SENDING OUT ALL ROUND 3 INTERIVEWS on April 16th, or 'we will beginning to send out Round 3 invites, etc. etc.

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Date: April 09, 2010

We'll be sending these out on Friday, April 16th via email. The email will come from MBA Admissions, and you'll be able to register for an interview slot beginning Monday, April 19th. Most interviews will take place from May 3-6th. We will be conducting round 3 interviews here on campus and in London and Palo Alto.

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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  19 Apr 2010, 17:46
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Boston (58 slots, [strike]46[/strike]filled),

AHEM, A DIFFERENT BEAN COUNTER FRIEND MAKES THAT 47.

(GIVEN THE SMALL UNIVERSE OF ROUND 3 INTERVIEW INVITES, I SEEM TO KNOW A GOOD MANY OF THEM. )

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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  20 Apr 2010, 07:32
Long time lurker, first time poster...

I too was invited for a 3rd round HBS interview. I'm a Boston resident so it will be pretty easy attend. Do you think this may have effected the decision? I've heard that 3rd round acceptances tend to be local. (Hopefully)

I'm puzzled and curious about why the number of interviews is lower than prior years. I guess I should feel lucky to have gotten one.
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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  20 Apr 2010, 07:57
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I too was invited for a 3rd round HBS interview. I'm a Boston resident so it will be pretty easy attend. Do you think this may have effected the decision? I've heard that 3rd round acceptances tend to be local. (Hopefully)

I'm puzzled and curious about why the number of interviews is lower than prior years. I guess I should feel lucky to have gotten one.

I'm a lurker too. I am R3 Wharton, HBS and Stanford. I live in Philly and got a R3 invite from Wharton. Nothing from HBS. I don't think Stanford has started sending out invites. So I do think location matters. If you live in the same area that the school is in or have ties to the area i.e. a former resident, your parents or inlaws live there I can't imagine that not being an advantage everything else being equal.

I called Dillon House and they said "most" R3 invites have been sent out. So there is still hope. But I think for me to get an invite it'll have to be after May 6 when all the others are done and perhaps someone completely bombed like Steve Carrell in "Anchorman". Otherwise it is an extremely long shot for me now with HBS.

One question though for hbsguru: if 40 of the 60 R3 boston invites are Harvard seniors and most of them defer what then? Do they send out 40 more invites or some number less than that because WLers get a spot?
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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  20 Apr 2010, 08:38
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Long time lurker, first time poster...

I too was invited for a 3rd round HBS interview. I'm a Boston resident so it will be pretty easy attend. Do you think this may have effected the decision? I've heard that 3rd round acceptances tend to be local. (Hopefully)

I'm puzzled and curious about why the number of interviews is lower than prior years. I guess I should feel lucky to have gotten one.

Hmmmm, I dont think living in Boston affected invite, living in Boston can make a diff. in last 2 or 3 Wl calls, as living in Palo Alto can w. Stanford WL (Stanford has admitted this in last year's final WL letters). I recall one year when last kid taken off HBS WL was already here b.c. his wife was attending Harvard Med School, so like why not. I do think internationals may be under a subtle disadvantage in R3, and I would not be surprised if kids taking those London interviews are actually Americans working in Europe, but, duh, with 3, anything could be true. As to how come less R3 invites this year than last year (I think), dunno, trend has been to encourage apps in R1+2, and 2+2 program has cut in, to some degree, to number of seniors applying.
You may or may not recall,that last year at this time, Bolton at Stanford was advertsing and ecouraging R3 apps. As to chances, dunno, dude, both H and S have BIG and TALENTED WAIT LISTS, and both schools are getting hit w. phone calls fr. big shots to get kids off of those WL's, soooooooooooooooo, I'm going to leave chances of admit for r3 interview applicants at sorta ~59 pct where it trad. is (post interview, I dont have break out as to R3 interview results, altho that could be real, real interesting stat).

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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  20 Apr 2010, 09:02
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JnJThenMBA wrote:
I called Dillon House and they said "most" R3 invites have been sent out. So there is still hope.
. . .
One question though for hbsguru: if 40 of the 60 R3 boston invites are Harvard seniors and most of them defer what then? Do they send out 40 more invites or some number less than that because WLers get a spot?

Some kid on BW forum (you???) also said he called HBS about R3 invites, and was given same sort of answer, like 'most' invites have been sent out. Well, HBS rarely says officially that ALL of anything has happened, as far as they are concerned, admits to class of 1965 is still open, you can never tell......but what they mean is that someone in R3 could produce a bigfoot, or that they may find an app. in Dee's Hobo Bag, like at the bottom, under her walk-around Ferragamo flats, etc.
As to those 40 or however many college seniors they decide to take (and remember, some of those kids were already accepted in R2), my guess is, they have already baked in the fact that the vast majority of them will take 2-yr deferment, so having 40 openings will not come as surprise. What would come as surprise is if many of those of 3rd round college seniors, during interview, said, "Oh no man, I'm good to go, like in September, let's do this!!!!!"

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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  20 Apr 2010, 09:20
Women at HBS (and chart w. other B schools) MORE @HBS but not a straight line (class of 2010-38%, class of 2011-36%) http://bit.ly/cmKKlE
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Re: Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink]  21 Apr 2010, 05:30
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As to those 40 or however many college seniors they decide to take (and remember, some of those kids were already accepted in R2), my guess is, they have already baked in the fact that the vast majority of them will take 2-yr deferment, so having 40 openings will not come as surprise. What would come as surprise is if many of those of 3rd round college seniors, during interview, said, "Oh no man, I'm good to go, like in September, let's do this!!!!!"

So basically those 40 spots are reserved for friends and family of high-rollers or Hail Mary applications... perhaps "Hail Dee" applications is more accurate...

Oh well, I think my app is a niche app and so if they didn't see a place for me the first time they looked at it, it probably won't happen. But as Samwise told Frodo... there is always hope.
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