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Re: Calling all Kellogg Fall'08 applicants [#permalink] New post 27 Jul 2007, 16:48
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I stumbled upon this at the Kellogg website - I feel this is just a disclaimer or is it true @ Kellogg ?

"International students who wish to work in the United States should understand that few positions are available for people without a permanent work visa. Most U.S. firms are not in a position to hire a person who has only a training period remaining on a student visa. "

Its an Ultra Elite afterall -so does the above really matter ?

Anyway who all are in for rnd1 ? :)


That is 100% true. I am an international student (with US LPR) and if things work out right I will be at Kellogg this Fall. The right to work in the US is a nightmare! I dont even want to start the discussion here!

But, the above statement is absolutely true, and there are several companies that have said that they will NOT EVEN INTERVIEW candidates if the candidates do not have a valid work authorization in the US.

I admire the fact that Kellogg is upfront and open about it.
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Jul 2007, 17:21
Yeah, this is a common problem for internationals across all schools .. but I am impressed how Kellogg is so upfront about it.
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Jul 2007, 18:16
I wonder if all the rumors about companies not interviewing internationals is going to hurt applications from abroad this year. If so it could help peoples chances and its worth the risk because the way things have been working with the Visas lately the goverment is going to have to do something about it.
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Jul 2007, 18:47
This is exactly the sort of problem that is making me think twice about applying for Fall 08. If I wait one more year, I will most likely have my green card so won't have to go through the hassle of applying for work visa when I graduate...on the other hand, if I wait for one more year, I might be too old to get a job anyways and might have to take up a Subway franchise :-D
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Jul 2007, 19:01
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Do any of you guys think that some body with a market research background, with experience at one of the top firms, will have some preference at Kellogg?


Is your background market research (as in finance, securities, business analyst, etc.) or Marketing Research (MR)? If MR is your field and where you want to stay in, you might want to choose a school that isn't as fancy but are known more for their MR programs. There are some top schools w/ MR programs too. There is actually a M.M.R. degree.

Regardless, if you have a marketing research background you are an interesting candidate; i.e. you aren't some software/IT/coder/drone that adcoms have seen 1000 apps from this year. You probably have an interesting background to talk about with some psych and sociology along with strong statistics and quant skills and the bread and butter generic business stuff that everyone needs in Bschool. If you are a finance guy, I dunno enough about the field or Kellog, but working at a top firm certainly isn't going to hurt you. Best of luck!
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Jul 2007, 23:44
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aurobindo wrote:
Do any of you guys think that some body with a market research background, with experience at one of the top firms, will have some preference at Kellogg?


Is your background market research (as in finance, securities, business analyst, etc.) or Marketing Research (MR)? If MR is your field and where you want to stay in, you might want to choose a school that isn't as fancy but are known more for their MR programs. There are some top schools w/ MR programs too. There is actually a M.M.R. degree.

Regardless, if you have a marketing research background you are an interesting candidate; i.e. you aren't some software/IT/coder/drone that adcoms have seen 1000 apps from this year. You probably have an interesting background to talk about with some psych and sociology along with strong statistics and quant skills and the bread and butter generic business stuff that everyone needs in Bschool. If you are a finance guy, I dunno enough about the field or Kellog, but working at a top firm certainly isn't going to hurt you. Best of luck!


Thanks Anonymous. I am in Marketing research. We conduct studies aimed at understanding end user perceptions and purchasing behavior, market dynamics, market segmentation, competitor personality mapping, and channel behavior.

Hope the government does some thing regarding visa, by the time we (international applicants) graduate.

Also, wage levels in countries such as India are going up fast (according to SAP et al). Thats a not a bad news for us. :wink:
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 [#permalink] New post 28 Jul 2007, 02:45
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 [#permalink] New post 28 Jul 2007, 09:37
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aurobindo wrote:
Do any of you guys think that some body with a market research background, with experience at one of the top firms, will have some preference at Kellogg?


Is your background market research (as in finance, securities, business analyst, etc.) or Marketing Research (MR)? If MR is your field and where you want to stay in, you might want to choose a school that isn't as fancy but are known more for their MR programs. There are some top schools w/ MR programs too. There is actually a M.M.R. degree.

Regardless, if you have a marketing research background you are an interesting candidate; i.e. you aren't some software/IT/coder/drone that adcoms have seen 1000 apps from this year. You probably have an interesting background to talk about with some psych and sociology along with strong statistics and quant skills and the bread and butter generic business stuff that everyone needs in Bschool. If you are a finance guy, I dunno enough about the field or Kellog, but working at a top firm certainly isn't going to hurt you. Best of luck!


Thanks Anonymous. I am in Marketing research. We conduct studies aimed at understanding end user perceptions and purchasing behavior, market dynamics, market segmentation, competitor personality mapping, and channel behavior.

Hope the government does some thing regarding visa, by the time we (international applicants) graduate.

Also, wage levels in countries such as India are going up fast (according to SAP et al). Thats a not a bad news for us. :wink:


very cool. I am going to grad school to pursue an M.M.R. Here in America some people use the terms market/marketing research interchangeably... some people have a stick up their butt about it and do not. lol..
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 [#permalink] New post 29 Jul 2007, 06:43
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This is exactly the sort of problem that is making me think twice about applying for Fall 08. If I wait one more year, I will most likely have my green card so won't have to go through the hassle of applying for work visa when I graduate...on the other hand, if I wait for one more year, I might be too old to get a job anyways and might have to take up a Subway franchise :-D


This question is for Indians working in the US . I am currently working on H1 ( used up 2 years of H1). My green card is in process. I will be apply for 485 stage next month and my lawyer says I will get teh EAD card by Oct -Nov. Iam applying to B-schools in the 2nd round.i,e around Nov-Dec time frame. Do I get an advantage if I apply as a domestic student (if I get teh EAD card in time)?
Last week I made a campus visit to Kelley Business School and the admissions director told me that if I get my EAD before I apply I will not be evaluated from the pool of International students. I not sure if this going to be a benefit or a withdraw? Please let me what you think.

This information might you answer my question.
Female/29 years/MS electrical and Computer Engg/Working on H1/Software Engineer/5 years exp: 3years in India, 2 years in US/
Community service: Was working with a literary mission in India/organised blood camps in India/In US work with a rescuse mission/volunteer at local events/Do free tutoring for students.

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 [#permalink] New post 29 Jul 2007, 11:24
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Last week I made a campus visit to Kelley Business School and the admissions director told me that if I get my EAD before I apply I will not be evaluated from the pool of International students. I not sure if this going to be a benefit or a withdraw? Please let me what you think.


You cannot quit your job and go to school on your EAD, unless the primary green card applicant is your spouse and he or she keeps his job.
You need to have your green card to be able to do that. So please check with your lawyer before you go forward on that assumption.

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 [#permalink] New post 29 Jul 2007, 14:56
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Also, wage levels in countries such as India are going up fast (according to SAP et al). Thats a not a bad news for us. :wink:


Precisely the point. I have worked in FMCG for around 5 years and know many MR people and how they have progressed in their careers.

An MBA for an MR professional is a gamble but depends at what level you are standing currently. If you are in an MR job for 4-5 years and at manager level, I would not advise you to go and get an MBA - rather you should seek international jobs specially the fact that there is a lot of opportunity in middle east. If you are already with an MNC, don't waste your time by even thinking about an MBA.

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 [#permalink] New post 30 Jul 2007, 04:33
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 [#permalink] New post 30 Jul 2007, 09:43
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 [#permalink] New post 30 Jul 2007, 10:13
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I used to think that was a good thing too. The truth is, its much much much worse with schools who do it this way.... its so evil. The problem is that you start hearing that people are getting calls .... and then ... unless you are lucky enough to get a call early in the process, you spend the next week, two weeks, three weeks, even four weeks watching other people get admits while you bite your nails... (waitlist here)


It's even worse when they keep messing up with your stuff. They have you send your transcripts twice, then ask you to please fax a copy of your TOEFL score (even though you have sent them through ETS about 2 months earlier)...etc. And the interview invite doesn't mean anything, unlike with other schools, so you haven't a clue.

I was lucky to have another admit calm me down about 15 days earlier, but I got my admit from K only 2 days before the deadline and was about despairing by then.

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For anyone familiar with last year's Kellogg app... [#permalink] New post 02 Aug 2007, 15:38
Is the short answer essay: "4B - I wish the Admissions Committee had asked me…" the place where you should explain any gaps in employment or education or is there a spot in the application itself for this? I don't want to waste any precious essay space but I also want to acknowledge some gaps.

Is anyone else having trouble with the word limits? So much to say, so little room!!
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 [#permalink] New post 04 Aug 2007, 12:48
Does anyone have the Kellogg essays and deadlines? The essays used to be on their website but are no longer posted.
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 [#permalink] New post 05 Aug 2007, 20:46
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Does anyone have the Kellogg essays and deadlines? The essays used to be on their website but are no longer posted.


Here you go...

Essays:

1. All applicants must complete A OR B as appropriate:
A - Master of Business Administration applicants only: Briefly assess your career progress to date. Elaborate on your future career plans and your motivation for pursuing a graduate degree at Kellogg (one-two pages double spaced).
B - Master of Management and Manufacturing applicants only: Briefly assess your career progress to date. How does the MMM program meet your educational needs and career goals? (one to two pages double spaced).
2. Each of our applicants is unique. Describe how your background, values, academics, activities and/or leadership skill swill enhance the experience of other Kellogg students. (one to two pages double spaced).
3. How have your past and current leadership experiences prepared you for Kellogg? What leadership areas are you hoping to develop through your MBA experience?(one to two pages double spaced).
4. Applicants must answer 2 of the below essays. (Re-applicants must answer question 4D and 1 other essay).
4A - Outside of work I…
4B - I wish the Admissions Committee had asked me…
4C - Describe the most challenging professional relationship you have faced and how you handled it.
4D - (Required essay for re-applicants only)—Since your previous application, what are the steps you’ve taken to strengthen your candidacy?

The 'biryani' begins :) ...
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 [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2007, 14:44
Thanks for the essays. Do you know the R1 deadline?
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 [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2007, 15:00
10/19 or something around there...
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