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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 11 Jan 2010, 18:01
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hey brother,

i'd reconsider if they don't give you a deferment. i'm as vet friendly as the next guy, but if its a voluntary decision to go with your boys, then its still a career decision that you've made. in the eyes of the adcom (and myself quite frankly), you've made the voluntary assessment that continuing your current career is more important than going to school. is that understandable, absolutely. however, the decision itself is no different from a guy at a bank who decided to stay on for another year for a project he had worked on for a long time and wanted to see through. the motivations for your decision is commendable and deservedly more sympathetic than the dude at the bank, but the decision itself is the same when you boil it down to its core, .

but heres the thing. if you reapply, i don't think you'll lose any points for turning down the school and more than likely, get into every school you got into in the first place, and maybe get into a few you didn't. so don't shut out a place just cause they don't give deferments for voluntarily going back to the suck.

remember. remain semper gumbi and you'll be fine.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 11 Jan 2010, 20:39
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I would hope if you have a strong medical reason, just about any school will let you defer. Think about how poorly it would look upon them, and Veteran recruitment in particular to deny you that courtesy.

I have applied to three of the "Elite" schools and right after R2 submission, I accepted "voluntary" activation back to Afghanistan. I fully expect if I get in to receive a deferral. If a school is not understanding and willing to grant this, then it is not an institution that I would want to attend anyway.

Semper Fi,
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All schools (with the acceptation of LGO maybe) are very specific about allowing deferments for service related issues. Even if its voluntary, I am sure you can spin it without even equivocating that you need a deferment due to a deployment to Afghanistan. Show them the orders, and say you need to go, plain and simple.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 24 Jan 2010, 22:53
threads been quiet.

any updates from anyone? or is everyone in my boat, anxiously waiting for interviews.

for what it's worth, i interviewed with kellogg the other day, and the interview went 1hr 45mins. Super long, and i could tell near the end, his eyes begin to glaze over. never a good sign.

regardless, i think going long at his request is better than going short because we've got nothing to talk about.

anyone else got any updates?
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 25 Jan 2010, 02:10
I recently had my interview with a Kellogg alumnus as well. It also went long, 1 hour 30 minutes. It was in his office after the work day.

Extremely small world. He works for a small consulting firm that works with the USMC regularly about command and control. I'm a communications officer. So explaining what I do was not an issue since he knows a lot about my MOS, the Marine Corps, etc.

Mostly interview focused in on why Kellogg, why MBA, why now. Asked a few what if questions: what if I know I'm right on a case but my team doesn't agree, what's my approach to get the group to follow my idea. Why Kellogg if want to do finance, is it just to get rich? what makes me different from the other 8-9 people he will interview, why should I be the one to get in, they're usually just as smart, just as accomplished.

So a few tough questions but the interview was very conversational in tone. Went well, hopefully he submits a "recommend" to the adcom. We'll see.

No other updates... still waiting on Sloan (please please please)... waiting on invite from Chicago.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 31 Jan 2010, 18:51
Hey guys, throwing my hat into the ring on this thread. Former grunt in the Army, but I got out in '03, finished my education and been working in inv mngt since then. Hoping to get in and use the new GI Bill to pay for it all. I'm short on the Yellow Ribbon program, though, most schools require 36 months post-9-11 (I think) and I've only got 24.

Looking at HBS/Columbia/Stern/Fuqua/UNC - would love to go to any of 'em.

Tip of the hat to anyone still serving.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 31 Jan 2010, 19:04
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Hey guys, throwing my hat into the ring on this thread. Former grunt in the Army, but I got out in '03, finished my education and been working in inv mngt since then. Hoping to get in and use the new GI Bill to pay for it all. I'm short on the Yellow Ribbon program, though, most schools require 36 months post-9-11 (I think) and I've only got 24.

Looking at HBS/Columbia/Stern/Fuqua/UNC - would love to go to any of 'em.

Tip of the hat to anyone still serving.


Welcome! Those are all great, military friendly schools. Best of luck!
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 01 Feb 2010, 19:39
Good evening fellow patriots. Writing a quick note to update you on my situation.

Accepted to MIT Sloan. Done with applications and withdrawing all the rest that are active.

Still coping with this newfound reality. Amazing feeling.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 01 Feb 2010, 20:45
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Good evening fellow patriots. Writing a quick note to update you on my situation.

Accepted to MIT Sloan. Done with applications and withdrawing all the rest that are active.

Still coping with this newfound reality. Amazing feeling.


Awesome! Congrats, gregarious and I were interviewing for LGO today and Sloan is an incredible place!
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 01 Feb 2010, 20:46
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Good evening fellow patriots. Writing a quick note to update you on my situation.

Accepted to MIT Sloan. Done with applications and withdrawing all the rest that are active.

Still coping with this newfound reality. Amazing feeling.


CommO,
Congrats to you!

I guess I should probably introduce myself: I have been lurking around this thread for a while--more for my husband than myself. I left AD in 2004 and I seriously doubt adcoms would even consider me in the same category as you all. Anyways, my husband is a Marine looking to get out and start an MBA next year.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 02 Feb 2010, 01:37
Out Fricken Standing.

Congrats Devil Dog.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 02 Feb 2010, 16:57
CommO, congratulations!

HERM3S, great to meet you in Boston and good luck with waiting for the rest of your R2 results.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 03 Feb 2010, 05:08
Hey everyone. Fun thread. There are quite a few more applicants from the military out there than I thought!

I applied round 1 to HBS, Wharton, and Chicago. Got dinged w/o interview at Wharton, interviewed and dinged at Booth, and interviewed and admitted to HBS.

Nice to be done with applications. If anyone has questions, concerns, please shoot them my way. I can only talk interview at Booth and HBS, and I've visited all three campuses.

Good luck everyone on your applications.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 03 Feb 2010, 06:31
I have a question - I applied to Round 2 for a few schools ... am I going to be competing with other military applicants or all others with non-traditional backgrounds? Either way, I'm pretty worried since everyone seems to have such illustrious military careers and I've only been in ~4 years.

Good luck to everyone applying!
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 03 Feb 2010, 06:58
Pudge - the schools I've researched and applied to typically have a small contingent of military folks (HBS has ~3%, others aren't too far off). I believe that we are competing against other military folks to fill that small quota (for lack of a better term) at each prominent B-school.

Good luck with everything.

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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 04 Feb 2010, 06:09
Yeah, you're not competing directly with ibanking/consulting, however, Booth said they don't treat the military guys as a separate small group. Whether that's true or not, I couldn't say. HBS takes about 3%, as mentioned, which works out to about 36. I want to guess no more than about 10-15 military guys in round one.

As far as work, the average USMA guy will be applying with 5 years of service, so not too far off. I had a bit more because of career choice, but as long as you have strong stories, time isn't a big deal. That and there is the nagging feeling that adcoms only vaguely understand how impressive a job in the army is vs. what the resume looks like. I wouldn't describe my career as illustrious, but they made good examples and stories.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 04 Feb 2010, 06:12
Oh, and this should be common knowledge, but UVA ad Cornell are extremely military friendly. UVA would be a definite backup school if you need one.

Of the top three, I would shoot for HBS over the other two if you were taking a long shot. Their focus tends to fit much closer with the skill-set that military officers bring to the table.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 06 Feb 2010, 12:58
So I was on this forum last fall when I thought I was going to apply, and glad to be back. I was recalled from the IRR for an OEF deployment and reported in January. This caused me to push off plans for B school until Fall 2011. When I was down there, despite filing the necessary paperwork for exemption prior to, I was released for medical reasons. Now that Im back, I am thinking school is not out of the question, but I am concerned about the downward trends in acceptance rates as the admissions season progresses. Thank goodness for the March application rounds or I would be out of luck, but I have no vacation or time off to visit schools and worry that this may hurt me as well.

Given my situation, and my profile below, can I get some of your opinions on whether I should wait until October and apply for Fall 2011, or continue with my applications now. I have started several yet submitted none. I am additionally taking the "shotgun" approach I have seen mentioned here before. With my questionable GPA, average GMAT, and late applications, I am looking for that diamond in the rough.

WE: Currently Health Care IT Consultant with excellent evaluations, high responsibility, many clients, and 3 promotions in 23 months.
WE: 1LT Air defense Officer with outstanding evaluations and positions (Japan)
GMAT: 690
GPA: 2.9, Initially in Doctor of Pharmacy program but switched to BS Pharm Science from state univ.
Extra Curric - 2 Non-Profit orgs volunteer, soccer, church, rock band

Schools with Apps started:
Extreme Longshots (Kellogg, Tuck) Due to Tucks Yellow Ribbon Participation I would regret never giving this a chance even though more than unlikely.
Longshots (Fuqua, Tepper)
Closer to realistic (Vanderbilt Owen, WashU Olin, ND)
Safer bet (Iowa Tippie, Georgie Tech????)

Might need to find some safer bets to ensure admission. I first need some advice on whether the benefit of starting now outweighs waiting for maybe a better school in the fall. On the other hand, I dont want to wait if my chances are equally good now.

Appreciate your thoughts.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 06 Feb 2010, 18:10
GrantChap, happy to have you back on the forum. Here's my quick take on what you wrote:

Your overall profile seems pretty competitive for Top-15 schools, which would be your first two categories. GMAT is in the 80% band so I wouldn't worry too much about not being 700+. Your GPA is on the lower side for the top schools but hopefully an otherwise strong application could offset that. IMHO, your biggest obstacle is going to be applying in the R3/R4 if you are committed to starting school this fall. Most school websites indicate that it is definitely much harder to get in after the first or second admissions round. With that in mind, on one hand, you might want to decide to apply anyways and see what happens. The downside of that might be if you don't get in and then want to be a reapplicant for R1 in the next cycle in terms of career progression and growth.

That being said, you probably have a much better chance at schools outside the Top 15 in the late admissions round. Depending on your post-MBA professional goals, that might work out well if you certain you want to apply now.

Bottom line: If you want to start an MBA program and aren't as concerned with ranking/brand, then you've still got time. If you want to have the best possible chance at a top program, then waiting might make sense.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 06 Feb 2010, 18:43
i completely concur with what gregolicious is saying.

i'd add more, but he took the words right out of my typing fingers. apply now if you just want to get a drumstick and be done with it, wait if you want the turkey breast with all it's cranberry chutney/cornbread stuffing/candied yams/creamed corn/greenbean casserole trimmings.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 06 Feb 2010, 19:52
Thanks guys. I slightly disagree that I am "competitive" for a top 15, but you have made some valid points that I will take into consideration. I think if my GPA was maybe .3 points higher at 3.2 and my GMAT maybe a 700-710 (which irritates me because I never scored lower than 750 on a practice test). Im having a hard time accepting not applying as that would push off school another 1.5 years and I would be getting into old man territory then. At that point I would also be nearly 3 years out of the Army and it starts to lose its impact.

Has anyone had or heard of any experiences with re-application? Im not accepting defeat, but I am honest with myself about the statistics.If I had to, Im sure I could raise my GMAT 10-20 points, take a Business class and get an A, and get more community involvement. Just thinking aloud (or on a message board) and hoping to get some opinions.

Thanks
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