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The Calling all US Military Fall 2009 Applicants thread was a good one and last year's group had pretty good results with their apps. http://gmatclub.com/forum/calling-all-us-military-fall-2009-applicants-75290.html

It looks like there's enough applicants this year to start a new thread so here it is. To kick things off, the following links are a good place to start if you're a military applicant.

Many of the top schools will waive your application fee, in addition to some other benefits.
http://www.mba.com/mba/WhyBSchool/MilitaryCandidates/MilitaryFriendlySchools.htm

If you qualify, the new Post 9-11 GI Bill offers great benefits to help make going to school financially viable.
http://www.gibill.va.gov/GI_Bill_Info/CH33/Post-911.htm

Good luck on everyone's apps!
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*Reposted from 2009 thread*

Great to see a Mil oriented thread. Just got out last year (USMC), and have been working in various industries since then.

I was planning on applying round 1 to my schools (HBS/Stan/Kellogg/Darden/Haas/Anderson), but decided against since I wasn't getting on the GMAT score I wanted in my prep tests. I'm taking the official test tomorrow, (writing this post during a short break) and am still considering applying for R1 for HBS, that is, if my GMAT score turns out alright tomorrow. The thought is though, if I'm applying to the majority of my schools in R2, what's the point of applying to 1 school in R1? The advice given to me was if you have doubts, especially being short on time, go R2 and make sure that you've got a good app. Then again, anecdotal stories have said better chances for R1 vs R2. Thoughts?

Anyway, I wanted to ask, am I the only guy here who actually earned his paycheck (*enlisted*) applying to b-school? Nothing like hanging out with a bunch of "sirs" to ruin a good party. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I wanted add something to the topic of recommendations.

i concur with the quality over rank advice. I know in the previous post, i made a snark about officers and such, but all kidding aside, some of the officers i've run into makes you think twice about the value of a college education. you can quickly those officers who graduated with a degree in P.E. just to qualify to get into OCS. so my advice, go to your superiors who really know who you are, the great, good, bad, and ugly characteristics. i'm going to attach a transcript of an interview with a Stanford application reviewer who gave tips and a general talk about how to approach a potential recommender and advice to the person writing the recommendation. it's really great. i've personally given every one of my recommenders a copy of this transcript and the feedback that i've received from all of them has been very positive about its guidance.

I've got a mix of civvy recommenders mixed with my mil recommendations, trying to get a good mix to show a well rounded picture of who I am, and have decided to go "out of the box" with a few recommendations. For instance: for my HBS application, I asked my Chaplain if he could recommend me. Although not in my chain of command, he was able to see the positive contributions via troop morale I was able to make after I was attached to a particular company of Marines.

So again, just because a guy has an oak cluster doesn't necessarily mean he's the best guy to ask for recommendations. Read the Stanford Transcript I've attached, and as the last of the 3 knights from the Last Crusades would say, "Choose Wisely".
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Here's a recap that some of you may find useful:

My Kellogg interview was on campus with an adcom. It was a blind interview so based just on the resume I brought with me. The general flow was:
- Intro
- Tell me about your education, why this school?
- Went through resume, talking about each position with some standard questions about what did you learn, what was especially challenging, etc.
- Discussed short and long term goals (Kellogg has you write these down on a form when you arrive)
- Why MBA, Why now, and Why Kellogg (I also discussed MMM since I applied to it)

As you can tell, all these questions are pretty typical for an adcom interview and consistent with what you can find here and on the ClearAdmit wiki page. That being said, it was my first business related interview ever and I was pretty nervous. Due to madness of finishing apps I also had not done any mock interviews or really had time to rehearse in my mind either. Here's what I took away from it:

- Being nervous is ok but the more practice you get the less you'll be likely to either draw blanks or ramble on. There weren't any questions that I had no idea what to do say but I did ramble on too much.
- Putting military work experience into understandable terms is really hard. It was challenging for a resume and it's equally hard in person. Avoid too much jargon and assume the person may have no idea what you're talking about. At the same time it still needs to be concise!
- Most military types (whatever branch, officer or enlisted) have some pretty impressive and unique things to talk about. Once you get that across, the real challenge is to show that that the skills that developed are useful in business. Obviously that's different for everyone, but be able to talk about something broad like leadership then give a specific example of how you will use it in the future. I also think it's a positive to show that you understand that the transition will be challenging and that there are many aspects of bschool that can make it a successful crossover.
- To sum it up, reinforce your strengths as a military applicant while easing any concerns they might have about your background.


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can you post an after action or debrief regarding the interview interview experience?

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as a military candidate, was there any particular type of angle or questioning that you felt could give us an edge and how do you feel we can take advantage of that?
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Anyone else notice that military applicants apply to more schools than most people? I am guessing the admissions fee waivers are a contributing factor.


Not really a factor for me. Every school has different essays, and the effort I put into them individually is worth more to me than a $200 application fee. Additionally, a full time MBA costs as much as a house in some places (at least Detroit), making the $200 so fractional as to be insignificant. It is a nice gesture, but did not effect the number of schools I applied to.

I agree with the others - the "birdshot" analogy is pretty apt. You simply will not find a military applicant who is afraid to uproot from New York, Boston or San Francisco because there are no large bases there. When you live in Kansas, Japan or Norfolk, the military will move your stuff to a place of your choice when you leave the service. Geography is less a constraint - the quality of the program is.

Leaving active duty to attend business school is a profound act - you can't simply go back to work if you do not get accepted. At least for officers, the resignation process is virtually irrevocable, and must be submitted with around a year's notice. You are leaving perhaps the most secure line of employment in America (and a profession that requires tremendous idealism and emotional sacrifice) to go back to school and become the archetypal career switcher. Once you cross the Rubicon, you absolutely need to hedge your bets and apply to quite a few different schools. The cumulative application fees cost quite less than my last set of tires.
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hey brother,

i'd reconsider if they don't give you a deferment. i'm as vet friendly as the next guy, but if its a voluntary decision to go with your boys, then its still a career decision that you've made. in the eyes of the adcom (and myself quite frankly), you've made the voluntary assessment that continuing your current career is more important than going to school. is that understandable, absolutely. however, the decision itself is no different from a guy at a bank who decided to stay on for another year for a project he had worked on for a long time and wanted to see through. the motivations for your decision is commendable and deservedly more sympathetic than the dude at the bank, but the decision itself is the same when you boil it down to its core, .

but heres the thing. if you reapply, i don't think you'll lose any points for turning down the school and more than likely, get into every school you got into in the first place, and maybe get into a few you didn't. so don't shut out a place just cause they don't give deferments for voluntarily going back to the suck.

remember. remain semper gumbi and you'll be fine.
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I definitely relate to what you guys are saying about how unpredictable the admissions process is. After getting dinged at Kellogg and waitlisted at Booth, I started feeling that maybe bschool wasn't in the cards after all. When I was accepted to Wharton I felt very surprised, but in hindsight there are so many factors in play during the whole process that each school's decision is impossible to predict and unrelated to each other, despite what we may think.

I remember how the detailers (assignment/placement people for you non-Navy types) would always talk about how "Needs of the Navy", "Needs of the individual", and "Career needs" factored into someone's assignment. The great thing about this process we're going through now is that while "Needs of the school" and our personal desires may not end up matching, you're still in the driver's seat. For anyone who has more than one school to choose from, or even the choice to go at all or not, that is an incredibly empowering position. Try not to get too hung up on the rankings or other details pored over by applicants, but look ahead to the future ahead, regardless of what school gets you there.
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CarpathianRidge wrote:


DC Devil -Let me guess...Notre Dame Navy ROTC? Right?


No, Duke. (The hubby is a ND guy though.)

Reality is, I wish I was as smart as HERM3S but I can't even figure out how to upload my adorably cute cat pictures on the "something to make you smile thread..." :oops:
I think that is probably a sign that I might not be as smart as some of my peers...ah well!
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Square,

I spoke to some ADCOMS about your question. They want an entry for each unit you were in on their application form. They know you've only had one employer (eg. Air Force), but adding all your units/positions as separate entries will help them get a clearer picture of your career.

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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 29 Aug 2009, 02:07
Toss my name in the hat - I'm trying to get Round 1 applications finished while doing combat ready work-ups with the squadron. It will be a very busy month, and if I have to slide to round 2, so be it. I need to place equal value on, well, not crashing. Anyone else applying from overseas / deployment?

Lakai777, awesome attachment about the recommendations - I appreciate you sharing that with us. Should we end up at the same academic institution, your first whisky is on me, my friend.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2009, 22:05
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Toss my name in the hat - I'm trying to get Round 1 applications finished while doing combat ready work-ups with the squadron. It will be a very busy month, and if I have to slide to round 2, so be it. I need to place equal value on, well, not crashing. Anyone else applying from overseas / deployment?


Are you still applying to the same schools that you posted about in last year's thread? (H/S/W, Columbia, Tuck). If you're targeting five schools, that seems like a great number to spread between two rounds. There's different perspectives on application strategy in terms of app order and rounds, but here's a really good blog post from a new first year at HBS:
http://militarytobusiness.blogspot.com/2009/04/application-strategy.html

For anyone following this thread, I highly recommend reading through all his posts, there's some good advice, much of it military applicant related.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2009, 08:41
I'll repost since there is now a thread for this year. I'm a Navy guy who just returned from a deployment studying for the GMAT (test is in 2 days) and starting the application process at five schools: Kellogg (R1), Darden (R1), HBS (R2), Duke (R2), UNC (R2). I've got another deployment coming up early next year, and I need to make sure to have all of my applications finished (and hopefully interviews) by the time we pull out of port.

I can also vouch for http://militarytobusiness.blogspot.com as a very good resource. The blog really helped me get started studying for the GMAT and deciding on my school list as I was heading home from deployment.

I will just be finishing my initial commitment next summer, so no post-9/11 GI Bill for me (ROTC scholarship). I don't really know how many military applicants are in this situation, and how the new GI Bill will affect the application process and financial aid for military applicants. Is there anyone else here in the same boat?
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2009, 10:10
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Are you still applying to the same schools that you posted about in last year's thread? (H/S/W, Columbia, Tuck). If you're targeting five schools, that seems like a great number to spread between two rounds. There's different perspectives on application strategy in terms of app order and rounds, but here's a really good blog post from a new first year at HBS:
http://militarytobusiness.blogspot.com/2009/04/application-strategy.html

For anyone following this thread, I highly recommend reading through all his posts, there's some good advice, much of it military applicant related.


Great point, and yes, I am definitely spreading them between two rounds. Five in one round is a great recipe to go 0-for-5. I'm aiming to get three in for round 1. Still applying to those five schools, but I'm leaning to include a safety school in that list - probably Texas. At the end of the day, we are all just rolling the dice. I personally have lost 5 straight rolls at the tables before, so you never can be too safe......

I decided on B-school well before the 9/11 GI-bill was even dreamed of, but what a gift from the sky. Is anybody else here "old enough" to use it? It seems to me that most of the "typical officers" (Service Academy or ROTC scholarship grads) cashing in are pilots - with the ten years of mandatory service. I personally know a few heading off to law or medical school, but nobody on the MBA path. Toss in flight pay and the bonus, and most people in my year group are making good money in a bad economy - to say nothing of the satisfaction you get from flying jets. I'm not sure how the GI-bill will shake up the numbers, but most of my peers seem to be staying in and using the GI-bill on part-time masters programs in a number of disciplines.

http://militarytobusiness.blogspot.com is great - finally, an MBA blog that is not chock full of 20 paragraph posts about trips to Ikea or daily "waitlist update" existentialism. He has a great post about the GI-bill I just finished reading. I'm guessing his blog will attain mythic status among military applicants - he should certainly drink for free on all of us who used his advice.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2009, 10:26
I've read that blog before, and I agree that its a terrific source of information. After doing a refresher reading, I'm thinking about spreading them between rounds too, except before I was considering doing HBS in R1, then the rest of the field, to try to take advantage of the mythical R1 higher acceptance rate. After reading the blog, now I'm considering doing my safe school first, Anderson, and doing the rest of the field in R2. Regardless, if I get to HBS, and he's still there, whiskey's on me. And losing 5 straight rolls? Remind me to not stand by you if we go to Vegas together.

I too dreamed of attending BSchool before the 9/11 GI Bill (which I think is an incomplete bill to begin with) but I'm not sure if I qualify either. I fulfill the "service" time requirement, but because I used my Montgomery GI Bill for my BA, I'm not sure if I qualify for 9/11 Bill + the Yellow Ribbon program. Plus since it seems like I'll be the only non-officer whose applying, I'm somewhat of an outlier as well regarding military statistics. For me, I look at the young PFC/Lance Corporals I left behind, now getting their BA totally and absolutely paid for, and I turn absolutely green with envy.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 01 Sep 2009, 09:50
Posting here as I saw the 2009 message string first.

Im a former Army Officer, out since late 2007. I wanted to spend a couple years in the civilian sector prior to going back to school. I have been working as a consultant for almost 2 years and decided that Fall of 2010 would be my year. The Army had other plans however, as I have been recalled from the IRR back to active duty with a 13 month deployment to Afghanistan. Nothing like getting huge plans interrupted by the unexpected.

Prior to leaving Im going to retake the GMAT since 1st attempt didnt quite meet my expectations, and hopefully complete applications from overseas and hope for Fall 2011.

A comment on the new GI Bill: This seems to be a great deal when combined with the yellow ribbon program. Some schools contribute quite a bit towards tuition. You can visit the VA website and get a listing of what each school will contribute. The range is quite shocking from school to school.

Schools: Wash U (Olin), Dartmouth, Yale, Texas
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 01 Sep 2009, 10:09
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Posting here as I saw the 2009 message string first.

Im a former Army Officer, out since late 2007. I wanted to spend a couple years in the civilian sector prior to going back to school. I have been working as a consultant for almost 2 years and decided that Fall of 2010 would be my year. The Army had other plans however, as I have been recalled from the IRR back to active duty with a 13 month deployment to Afghanistan. Nothing like getting huge plans interrupted by the unexpected.

Prior to leaving Im going to retake the GMAT since 1st attempt didnt quite meet my expectations, and hopefully complete applications from overseas and hope for Fall 2011.

A comment on the new GI Bill: This seems to be a great deal when combined with the yellow ribbon program. Some schools contribute quite a bit towards tuition. You can visit the VA website and get a listing of what each school will contribute. The range is quite shocking from school to school.

Schools: Wash U (Olin), Dartmouth, Yale, Texas

Hey Brother. Welcome to forum. Your profile seems similar to mine (other than the officer part), and I'd make it a priority to knock that GMAT out before you deploy. That way, you can work on your app during your off time. I know 4 guys that applied to various programs while I Iraq, and all 4 of them got in. I think the "i'm applying from Iraq!" gives you a compelling angle. Not to say you should be thrilled you get to go to the 'Stan, but hey, take whatever advantage you've got.

With the Yellow Ribbon Program, I think for the schools you're applying too, they are extremely generous with the matching funds. The Yellow Ribbon Program is the one thing that really makes up for some the gigantic holes in the GI Bill that the congress cared less about because they were just looking to pass something and use it as a club to beat their opponents with. But the yellow ribbon program really helps out a whole lot.

But I will say to you, what I say to all my brothers who deploy, "Stay safe. Don't get fat. Don't buy too many hajii dvds cause you'll never watch them back her at home. Bring back more good memories than bad. And always watch your 6. We'll leave the light on for you till you get home."

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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 02 Sep 2009, 22:59
GrantChap, it sounds you are taking things in stride and making the best of it. I've heard from friends in the Army about the effect that stop-loss and involuntary recalls have had on many people's lives. Several of the schools on your short list are known for being veteran friendly and plus you've got work experience to complement the military background. Good luck with studying!
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 07 Sep 2009, 00:25
Grant,

If you are serious about Tuck, I would simply "cold call" admissions now - they are SUPERB with veterans and the enrollment director is an Annapolis graduate. Since you have a year, I would talk to them early and often - quite a few veterans there that will help you out. PM me if you want a few more details.

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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 07 Sep 2009, 18:47
Popping my head in and saying hello to all the new prospective military applicants. If anybody has any questions, feel free to hit me up!
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 07 Sep 2009, 19:00
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Popping my head in and saying hello to all the new prospective military applicants. If anybody has any questions, feel free to hit me up!


Congrats on Ross armycamel!!

Same deal here as far as questions, etc.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2010 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2009, 23:49
Great to see all the current student support! I'm going to do my best to actually work on apps and not check this site every hour but keep the good discussion going. Hopefully once a couple of them are done then I can take a breather before it's time to worry about interview invites :o
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