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# Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants!

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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink]  23 Jul 2011, 06:32
mbamilitary wrote:
Yes... I've realized that Harvard and Stanford are the only ones that ask for three recs from MBA schools. HKS asks for three as well. The O-5 is my current RO that I work with on a daily basis, and the O-4 is my previous RS that I've met while deployed to Afghanistan and pulled me into his next unit back in the States. Both are eloquent individuals and have been pushing me to attend OCS, so I think these two gentlemen would be a good fit for all of my recommendations.

For HBS and HKS though, I need to ask a third supervisor who knows me well enough to write a rec letter in depth. Two direct enlisted supervisors come to mind that know me very well: a SSgt from my prior unit, and a MSgt from my current unit. I guess I thought that the E-8 would have more pull since he's got higher rank in addition to being my current enlisted supervisor (although he doesn't evaluate me directly). There isn't really another officer that I've worked with directly on a consistent basis, so I didn't think that getting a letter even from an O-6 through O-8 would help much if all they're going to mention is "he's a great Marine and a hard worker. I would give him my highest possible recommendation." Stanford on the other hand asks for a peer recommendation, so I'll be asking another E-5 in my current unit.

Sounds like you've got some good options then. Don't overlook the possibility of using a peer recommendation for HBS even though they don't explicitly ask for one like Stanford does. I used a peer for my third recommendation at HBS and it must not have hurt me too bad. A peer recommendation can be a good route if they talk about your ability to be a team player, to influence peers and others without relying on your rank, to develop new-joins who are peers or subordinates, to build a cohesive team, etc.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink]  23 Jul 2011, 07:48
I have to say, as I sit here working on my essays, that this kind of writing is some of the hardest I've ever done. I was a history major and wrote a thesis. I do strategic intel and, as such, basically research and write for a living, but these essays are painstaking. I feel like we're at a bit of a disadvantage by virtue of having to take everything that we do and convey it in simplified terms that people can understand.

Providing context, translating into civilian, and then still answering the question in a compelling way while adhering to the word counts is a vexing process. I guess it balances out in the end though. All I keep hearing at the schools that I talk to is how much they value military experience. Of course, I wouldn't expect them to say that they don't value it either. In talking with one vet who was rather candid he was like "Yeah, the thing no school will advertise despite all the talk about creating leaders is that they aren't creating leaders and they know it. In two years, they aren't going to take someone that didn't have that 'I'm a leader self-image concept' and transform them. Not at this age. They can teach a former military guy Excel. They can't teach an IB spreadsheet jockey how to lead if he wasn't a leader at some other point in life.' I thought that was telling and I hope that it's true.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink]  24 Jul 2011, 07:10
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mbamilitary wrote:
Yes... I've realized that Harvard and Stanford are the only ones that ask for three recs from MBA schools. HKS asks for three as well. The O-5 is my current RO that I work with on a daily basis, and the O-4 is my previous RS that I've met while deployed to Afghanistan and pulled me into his next unit back in the States. Both are eloquent individuals and have been pushing me to attend OCS, so I think these two gentlemen would be a good fit for all of my recommendations.

For HBS and HKS though, I need to ask a third supervisor who knows me well enough to write a rec letter in depth. Two direct enlisted supervisors come to mind that know me very well: a SSgt from my prior unit, and a MSgt from my current unit. I guess I thought that the E-8 would have more pull since he's got higher rank in addition to being my current enlisted supervisor (although he doesn't evaluate me directly). There isn't really another officer that I've worked with directly on a consistent basis, so I didn't think that getting a letter even from an O-6 through O-8 would help much if all they're going to mention is "he's a great Marine and a hard worker. I would give him my highest possible recommendation." Stanford on the other hand asks for a peer recommendation, so I'll be asking another E-5 in my current unit.

Just go with whoever knows you well. I went to a Darden event yesterday and the Admissions Committee said they've received letters from the President, CEOs, and a "phone call from Senator John Warner...and that person didn't get in."

I agree with this as well-rank as little to do with the quality of the letter of rec. From my experience, it is best to have someone who knows you well enough to cite examples and give an insight into who you really are. I would also urge you to consider the scope of the letters. That is to say, make sure the 3 letters paint the entire picture of who you are as a person. I recommend considering people from different parts of your life to show you are well rounded. For example, a supervisor from a place at which you may volunteer, a professor that thought you displayed a something special, etc.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink]  25 Jul 2011, 15:16
Toss my name in with this group, why not - good to hang with some fellow vets. I'm still active at Bragg with the 82nd, transitioning out next summer, so applying this fall for Fall '12.

Targets:
R1: HBS, UCLA, USC, UCI
R2: Stanford, Georgetown, Duke, Yale (maybe)
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink]  26 Jul 2011, 17:03
Hey guys. I'm starting at HBS this fall as well. I got not a small amount of help from the vet's clubs and this board during my application process last year, I'd be remiss if I didn't volunteer the same help to you all applying this year. Just drop me a PM and we can trade emails.

That being said (and I'm totally serious about this), I'm still a little surprised that the school let me in, so any advice I'd throw down should probably be taken with a grain of salt. You know that little tail end of the bell curve way back on the left? That's me, I'm not complaining--I'm just saying
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink]  26 Jul 2011, 20:22
@ Square, pm sent.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink]  30 Jul 2011, 11:28
Hello Gents,

Better little late than ....

By looking at my profile, I'm sure you guys will agree that I will have limited chance in getting into any of my wishlist programs. My intent is kicking ass on the GMAT and then taking extension courses to remedy the low GPA dilemma. It's a long road, but I'm trying to work out a feasibility plan. Any folks kind enough to donate their thoughts? Possibly recommendations for programs that place emphasis on anything but GPA?

Program: Top 15 or bust
Work Experience: 3 years working in private security sector. 7 years Army SF (enlisted, program that I wanted was not avail. to O at the time)
GPA: 2.6 from UCSD. Terrible GPA!
GMAT: Will take in OCT. From all the practice exams, I seem to hover around ~720.
Age: 32

Besides the low GPA, how does adcom look at older applicants? Also, WE? I think this may be another hurdle to surpass. How do they look at security sectors? It will definitely be uphill battle, for sure. Regardless, I'm giving it my all. I'm going for Rd 2 to bunch of programs. If no takers, I will work throughout the year working on better application package via extension courses.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink]  26 Aug 2011, 18:56
lonesoui wrote:
I've decided to postpone it to 2013. I am by no means ready

I just created the thread for 2013...I know it may be early, but worth starting.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink]  27 Aug 2011, 21:04
Alright guys, I am knee deep in my HBS R1 application and the essays are SO much work. I knew it would be rough, but MAN!

Anyways, I think I might be course-correcting my applications a little bit because although HBS is kicking my tail at the moment, I'm pretty sure my other apps will be downhill in comparison (except 1-2, Stanford).

Roadmap for me will be something like this:

R1: HBS, USC, Fuqua
R2: Haas, Stanford, UCLA, Georgetown
R3: UCI, maybe Yale
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink]  27 Aug 2011, 22:10
Hi all,

Here to represent the weekend warriors

6 years Army National Guard, enlisted. SRP'ed but no deployments.
I'm guessing the military experience isn't going to help too much but would love to hear some advice from those who were in a similar hmmwv. I did read that adcoms like to hear about people paying their own way through college and the Guard was my way to do so.

BS, MS in computer engineering.
Age at [strike]matriculation[/strike] fall 2012: 29
WE: 4 yrs software engineer in silicon valley

Taking the GMAT in Sept, targeting top 10 schools. I got a late start so will only apply to R2's.

Good luck everyone!

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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink]  29 Aug 2011, 05:18
segfault wrote:
Hi all,

Here to represent the weekend warriors

6 years Army National Guard, enlisted. SRP'ed but no deployments.
I'm guessing the military experience isn't going to help too much but would love to hear some advice from those who were in a similar hmmwv. I did read that adcoms like to hear about people paying their own way through college and the Guard was my way to do so.
side note: freefall-qualified in the civilian world.

BS, MS in computer engineering.
Age at [strike]matriculation[/strike] fall 2012: 29
WE: 4 yrs software engineer in silicon valley

Taking the GMAT in Sept, targeting top 10 schools. I got a late start so will only apply to R2's.

Good luck everyone!

Where else are you applying besides Stanford? Software engineering mixed with guard experience sounds like an interesting profile to me.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink]  29 Aug 2011, 08:10
guys, i have not been on here in awhile, please reach out to me for any help. I an currently a Wharton Full time MBA Class of 2013. PM me anytime and I will help you in any way possible
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink]  29 Aug 2011, 08:37
Another Wharton event, if interested sign-up, it will be a great day with good information, fellowship, and some beers:

Title: Military Visit Day (view detailed information)
When: 10/13/2011 7:30 AM - 6:00 PM
Event Type: Presentation

then click over to on-campus events and register, hope to see you there
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink]  29 Aug 2011, 09:22
Thanks ebonn, I just put one school so far to see the the stats. I'll finalize my list after my mind can get some more bandwidth after the gmat but Sloan will definitely be on there.

Here's some interesting commentary on general affairs from a military mba:
johntreed (not being lazy; apparently I'm not allowed to post the direct link)

wp06, thanks for the event info. Does the event include the typical class visit / is there an itinerary?
Just wondering how many days to allocate if I visit Wharton then.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink]  29 Aug 2011, 09:54
segfault wrote:

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I didn't use any consultants--I took the advice of a few vets I knew at Stanford who said they thought consultants were a waste of money. They suggested that I run my essays and resume by a few vets at each school, then have someone with absolutely zero military knowledge take a look at them to make sure everything was in layman's terms. Fortunately vets' clubs at every school I contacted were very responsive, or I was able to track down friends of friends who were willing to help me. That approach worked for me as I was successful on 4 of my 5 applications, and my profile wasn't spectacular by the standards of any of those 4 schools.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink]  31 Aug 2011, 10:16
For anyone interested in learning more about Haas, come check us out at the following information sessions:

Los Angeles - September 12
San Diego - September 13
Seattle - September 13
New York - September 21
Washington DC - September 22
Silicon Valley - October 3
San Francisco - October 5

More detailed information is available on the admissions website. Also, feel free to PM me, and I'll send you the details.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink]  31 Aug 2011, 18:10
axe2012 wrote:
For anyone interested in learning more about Haas, come check us out at the following information sessions:

Los Angeles - September 12
San Diego - September 13
Seattle - September 13
New York - September 21
Washington DC - September 22
Silicon Valley - October 3
San Francisco - October 5

More detailed information is available on the admissions website. Also, feel free to PM me, and I'll send you the details.

Ahhh... I'm stuck in the middle of nowhere (Ft. Campbell, KY). Rarely do any Top 25 (let alone Top-50) MBA programs visit Nashville TN, which is the only place where I can actually drive and visit in a day without taking off from work. It's tragic since there's so much potential to recruit great military guys/girls in this area. As we all know, other major Army installations are in the middle of nowhere, ergo less face-to-face with potential MBAs. My $0.02. Founder Affiliations: AS - Gold, HH-Diamond Joined: 04 Dec 2002 Posts: 13031 Location: United States (WA) GMAT 1: 750 Q49 V42 GPA: 3.5 Followers: 2921 Kudos [?]: 15216 [0], given: 3943 Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink] 31 Aug 2011, 20:23 Expert's post Found an interesting resource/book (know nothing about it, so not endorsing, but thought perhaps helpful). Not sure how good but I was impressed to see there is such specialized resource. http://militarytobusiness.blogspot.com/ ... books.html It is pricey though -$99
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink]  31 Aug 2011, 20:42
Does anyone know if HBS and Wharton waive the application fee for active duty (within the last three years) applicants? I think I've read somewhere that they do but couldn't find anything on their websites. I know Kellogg does and haven taken the necessary steps but am not sure about HBS and W. Thanks!
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants! [#permalink]  01 Sep 2011, 19:27
sandfrog wrote:
Does anyone know if HBS and Wharton waive the application fee for active duty (within the last three years) applicants? I think I've read somewhere that they do but couldn't find anything on their websites. I know Kellogg does and haven taken the necessary steps but am not sure about HBS and W. Thanks!

HBS does not waive application fee for military. Not sure about Wharton.
Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2012 Applicants!   [#permalink] 01 Sep 2011, 19:27

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