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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 31 May 2012, 05:06
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I'm starting to feel sick because of the lack of enlisted folks at top programs. Starting to realize all the favoritism for veterans is geared towards the commissioned side


I would disagree with you that there is favoritism for the commissioned side. I think the military does a disservice to enlisted troops by encouraging them to attend schools like Community College of the Air Force or Toro University online to get their degree while in. You're going to have a tough sell getting into a Top 20 MBA program with a check-the-box undergraduate degree.

That being said, if you didn't get a crappy online degree and you did some good things while on active duty I don't see any reason why an enlisted vet can't get into a top school. Just make sure you tell a convincing story. Any NCO is going to have far more leadership experience and interesting things to talk about than a banking analyst who just pounds away on Excel all day long.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 31 May 2012, 05:53
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I'm starting to feel sick because of the lack of enlisted folks at top programs. Starting to realize all the favoritism for veterans is geared towards the commissioned side


Disagree with you there. I know of at least 3 in my class, and I helped one enlisted Marine with his HBS application who ended up with close to a full ride to NYU Stern.

I think the reason that there aren't more is because more aren't applying. Either they're not informed about what an MBA is and how to get yourself into a good program, or it's a matter of what mappleby said...too many hurt their chances by picking up an online degree just to check a box rather than doing their four years, getting out, and going to a good school for undergrad. Of the three former enlisted guys I know here, one did his undergrad at Dartmouth and the other did an engineering program at Georgia Tech, so they obviously proved they could handle tough coursework. Based on where you told me you went to undergrad, I think you'll be fine there.

I highly doubt there's an institutional bias against enlisted...hell, I meet plenty of people who don't know what it means to be an officer vs. enlisted. The only reason there would appear to be favoritism towards officers is because officers make up a majority of the vets applying to MBA programs, so they're the primary audience. And most of the former officers I meet here tend to be grads of a service academy or a top public school, so they've already passed that hurdle in the eyes of adcom. I don't think it's much different than the "age bias" that appears to be present at a lot of top programs. The truth is that a lot of 30+ year old people self-select themselves out of applying, so not a lot get in. But I still know of plenty of 30+ classmates here, and we've got one who's in his late 50s or early 60s....no joke.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 31 May 2012, 09:35
I think my comments were based on this self reflecting period, and scrambling to find others like me who've been through the process. Maybe you guys are right and many of the enlisted folks aren't aware of what an online degree will get them or what an MBA can do for them, and it's making me feel in adequate because of the lack of enlisted folks I've encountered. When I went to visit Booth, there was a submarine officer and an army physician, and I honestly felt out of place and out of my league. I'm hoping you guys are right and it's just my pessimism and inferiority complex overwhelming me. Thanks fellas
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 31 May 2012, 21:04
I definitely understand what you're going through because I had to apply with 4 years of USMC enlisted work experience, nothing else. I felt like the depth of my work experience couldn't compare to that of my competition. Frankly speaking, what looks more impressive on the books, a commander with 200 direct reports or an NCO with 5 direct reports?

However, what you'll soon realize as you start engaging your applications and interviews is that the general public doesn't know much about the military, so quite honestly it doesn't matter. Although it's true that the majority of the veteran pool will be commissioned officers, there are other prior enlisted service members here and there. Just off the top of my head, there's one at Kellogg, one at Wharton, and two others at CBS. None of them feel disadvantaged when recruiting for jobs, so you shouldn't feel bad either.

Start reaching out to the vet clubs early. Most clubs will match you with a similar background veteran.


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I think my comments were based on this self reflecting period, and scrambling to find others like me who've been through the process. Maybe you guys are right and many of the enlisted folks aren't aware of what an online degree will get them or what an MBA can do for them, and it's making me feel in adequate because of the lack of enlisted folks I've encountered. When I went to visit Booth, there was a submarine officer and an army physician, and I honestly felt out of place and out of my league. I'm hoping you guys are right and it's just my pessimism and inferiority complex overwhelming me. Thanks fellas
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 01 Jun 2012, 04:43
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I definitely understand what you're going through because I had to apply with 4 years of USMC enlisted work experience, nothing else. I felt like the depth of my work experience couldn't compare to that of my competition. Frankly speaking, what looks more impressive on the books, a commander with 200 direct reports or an NCO with 5 direct reports?


Don't just compare yourself to other military but think about the other applicants too. Look at what you've accomplished as an NCO, even if you only have 5 direct reports, and then think about what the average engineer at Boeing has done for his 4 years out of college or somebody in a finance rotation at a F500 company. Most applicants have to find extra-curriculars to show leadership positions. Military applicants their entire job has been about leadership. Don't sell yourself short.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 01 Jun 2012, 19:23
Slinging over my post from last year's thread:

I just started the Johnson AMBA (accel. MBA, requires a prior or concurrent grad degree) in May, will be done next May. If any of you have another grad degree or are interested in a concurrent grad degree along with the MBA, feel free to PM me with any questions. I was an enlisted ARNG and worked as a software engineer before bschool.

One Johnson vets club guy I talked to is off this summer to a PE internship. Depending on your targets, I get the feeling recruiting is kind of like the bschool app all over again, with lots of prep to do and possibly tests to study for.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 12 Jun 2012, 20:55
Can anyone comment on the yellow ribbon? For example, I saw that HBS for the class of 2014 accepted 49 prior military. Their overall limit is 60, so I'm guessing there's more than 11 vets in the 2nd year class. Even if we subtract people who don't have the post 9-11 GI bill and the international military, I would venture to guess that there are more than 60+ people. Do some just get hosed, or won't receive any benefits until their 2nd year?
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 12 Jun 2012, 22:43
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Can anyone comment on the yellow ribbon? For example, I saw that HBS for the class of 2014 accepted 49 prior military. Their overall limit is 60, so I'm guessing there's more than 11 vets in the 2nd year class. Even if we subtract people who don't have the post 9-11 GI bill and the international military, I would venture to guess that there are more than 60+ people. Do some just get hosed, or won't receive any benefits until their 2nd year?


A large majority of us aren't Yellow Ribbon-eligible because we were commissioned through a service academy or ROTC. The initial service commitment doesn't count towards the 3 years of service required for YR eligibility, so an academy grad would have to do 8 active duty years and an ROTC grad would have to do 7 active duty years to be eligible.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 13 Jun 2012, 01:35
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Can anyone comment on the yellow ribbon? For example, I saw that HBS for the class of 2014 accepted 49 prior military. Their overall limit is 60, so I'm guessing there's more than 11 vets in the 2nd year class. Even if we subtract people who don't have the post 9-11 GI bill and the international military, I would venture to guess that there are more than 60+ people. Do some just get hosed, or won't receive any benefits until their 2nd year?


A large majority of us aren't Yellow Ribbon-eligible because we were commissioned through a service academy or ROTC. The initial service commitment doesn't count towards the 3 years of service required for YR eligibility, so an academy grad would have to do 8 active duty years and an ROTC grad would have to do 7 active duty years to be eligible.



Thanks for clarifying. I was not aware at all of service requirement not counting. I always thought any service post 9/11 contributed. You are a tremendous help once again.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 13 Jun 2012, 03:06
Just to make sure you're aware, at some schools vets do get hosed. Most schools have enough slots to take care of all that apply for the YRP but you should double check with the school financial aid offices and of course submit your package as soon as the YRP application and certificate of eligibility are available.

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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 15 Jun 2012, 19:04
Blog post that's relevant for the position a lot of you are probably in right now: http://militarytobusiness.blogspot.com/2012/06/should-i-retake-gmat.html
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 15 Jun 2012, 19:20
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A large majority of us aren't Yellow Ribbon-eligible because we were commissioned through a service academy or ROTC. The initial service commitment doesn't count towards the 3 years of service required for YR eligibility, so an academy grad would have to do 8 active duty years and an ROTC grad would have to do 7 active duty years to be eligible.


This is the position I'm in. I was lucky and worked my separation date far enough from completing my commitment that I will at least get 30% eligibility. That was the best I could do though without taking another assignment and signing up for 2 more years.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 16 Jun 2012, 12:43
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Just to make sure you're aware, at some schools vets do get hosed. Most schools have enough slots to take care of all that apply for the YRP but you should double check with the school financial aid offices and of course submit your package as soon as the YRP application and certificate of eligibility are available.

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Are you specifically referring to places like Sloan and Johnson where they have 14 and 21 slots respectively? I can definitely understand Johnson vets being hosed because it's attractive due to it's free tuition and being very military friendly (high acceptance rate). Is cost not much of a factor at all because of potential earnings, signing bonuses, and internships that help to alleviate the cost of tuition for you guys? I'm also assuming we get little to no financial aid and scholarships as well.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 21 Jun 2012, 08:15
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Just to make sure you're aware, at some schools vets do get hosed. Most schools have enough slots to take care of all that apply for the YRP but you should double check with the school financial aid offices and of course submit your package as soon as the YRP application and certificate of eligibility are available.

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Are you specifically referring to places like Sloan and Johnson where they have 14 and 21 slots respectively? I can definitely understand Johnson vets being hosed because it's attractive due to it's free tuition and being very military friendly (high acceptance rate). Is cost not much of a factor at all because of potential earnings, signing bonuses, and internships that help to alleviate the cost of tuition for you guys? I'm also assuming we get little to no financial aid and scholarships as well.


Based on my observations, schools that give merit-based scholarships don't care if you're already getting GI Bill money. I know of a few other vets in addition to myself (this year and last year) who got generous partial scholarship offers to Anderson and Haas that would have been completely independent of our GI Bill money. From what I gathered in some other cases as well, state schools (particularly if their military representation is low) tend to be more generous with merit-based offers.

If a school only offers money based on need, they'll look at all your assets, earnings for last three years, outstanding debts, etc. before offering you some combination of grants and loans. Even some the guys I know at HBS who are YR-eligible were still offered some Federal Stafford loans to cover the rest.

In the end though, going +/- $10-20K on your tuition isn't going to make a huge difference in your lifetime earnings. If going to a better school that is more closely aligned with your goals leaves you with a bit more debt it'll probably be a wash over the next few decades. The few exceptions I can think of are if you're planning on working in the non-profit world or want to start your own business and don't have the capacity to be hamstrung by student debt bills.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 26 Jun 2012, 18:09
Hello all.

I am currently in the MIT LGO program and want to help advertise it a little to anyone interested. It is a dual MBA from Sloan and an SM in an engineering degree of choice from MIT. It also includes a fellowship with a minimum of 45% to a maximum of 80% of tuition covered. Then add in a partial benefit of the Post 9/11 and you're golden. You should have some kind of engineering/science/math undergrad background. If anyone wants any advice and lessons learned from my applications last year (from any school, including the ones I flubbed - I saw flubbed because looking back at my applications I could have definitely done better), feel free to PM me.

Also, 3x other USMA grads in my current LGO class group. It's kind of like a reunion of sorts. Didn't think we'd all make it when we met on interview day, but fortune smiled on us.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 27 Jun 2012, 00:53
Hi all,

My name is Sonny. Profile below:


Background: I was born in Taiwan, my father passed away when I was 3, and my mother sent me to live with my aunt in the United States for several years. Soon after, my mother packed up our meager belongings and moved us to South Africa, where we lived for six years right before apartheid was repealed.

Ever since witnessing the abject poverty of black South Africans, I’ve grown a passion for pursuing a career to serve the indigent in developing economies. We moved to the United States in 1999. After I graduated from high school in 2004, I took a year off for training and enlisted in the Marine Reserves, hoping I’d get an opportunity to make a difference in the lives of people in Iraq or Afghanistan. From 2005-2009, while I was in the reserves I attended the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.

Upon completion of training, I was assigned to be a Financial Management Officer. I knew that wasn’t what I joined the Marine Corps to do, so I immediately volunteered for a deployment to Afghanistan as an Information Operations Officer, where I am currently serving now, conducting the Psychological Operations campaign to persuade the Afghan people in Helmand Province to work with the Afghan government and pursue legitimate socioeconomic development instead of siding with the Taliban and growing opium.



Stats:

Education: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (B.A. Political Science): I finished with an abysmal 2.84 GPA, partially because I worked full time because my mom couldn’t afford tuition, and I was chasing my dream of playing Big Ten Varsity Football. I was ultimately cut during Spring Training, ending my walk-on campaign. Additionally, I'm taking an online Calculus course through UC-Berkeley Extension while I'm on deployment, which I plan to receive an A in. I'll probably also take an Accounting course before I apply if it's going to help.

GMAT – 730 (47Q 42V), I plan to retake and score a 750+. I don't think I'll have a problem doing that.



Work – Led section of 35 Marines as the Assistant Separations Officer in the Disbursing Section in Camp Pendleton, California. Volunteered for deployment in Afghanistan and filled the billet of Regional Radio Officer (formerly held by a Major. I am currently a 1st Lieutenant, 2 grades junior), in charge of 8 direct reports and a Radio program with 2.3 million dollars of equipment that disseminates information from the coalition to Afghans throughout Helmand Province. Selected for promotion to Captain.



Extracurriculars –

- Actively participated in service projects for the poor such as Habitat for Humanity and Chicago Urban Project (volunteer spring break in the most poverty stricken neighborhoods of downtown Chicago) during undergrad.

- While stationed in San Diego, volunteered with a homeless shelter to tutor young children in math and English.

- Currently developing a plan to bring a prosthetics workshop to serve victims of Taliban roadside bombs in Southern Afghanistan with the Prostheses Foundation of Thailand and USAID.

- Developed stronger bonds between the Marine Corps and the local community by leading my section of 35 Marines to actively participate in the Habitat for Humanity Project in Oceanside, California


Goals – Land a position as Management Consultant at McKinsey/Bain/BCG. Hone my business acumen and establish strong network of contacts and start my own non-profit consulting firm that stimulates third world economic development by assisting small businesses with sustainable and innovative solutions. I believe that capitalism does play a vital role in combating global poverty, and "Net Impact" and "Social Responsibility" need to be much more than just the buzz phrases that they seem to be today.

Target Schools –

Round 1:

HBS

Kellogg

Booth

Ross

Fuqua

Darden

Possibly Round 2:

Haas

Anderson
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 06 Jul 2012, 16:10
Hi Guys,

I'll be attending Darden this fall along with many others that have military backgrounds. Please feel free to reach out with any questions that you have.

I was accepted at two schools (one public, one private) during last year's application cycles and selected Darden for the following reasons:

1. Former military officers and enlisted make up about ~8% of each class so I knew that I would have plenty of vets in the alumni database that would be willing to help.
2. The core curriculum is rather robust, which is something that appealed to me considering that I didn’t have a professional business background or exposure to business courses during undergrad.
3. The class size is smaller (a little over 300), which I thought would make it easier to develop meaningful relationships with a greater portion of the class.
4. Charlottesville is a pretty awesome place if you like the outdoors, being in a college town, and/or dislike the idea of shoveling snow (<--that last one should be a big selling point to those of you that have ever spent a winter at Ft. Drum or in RC-North/East).
5. My GI Bill went further here because Virginia’s a public school; additionally, the state allows all transitioning military personnel to claim in-state residency, thereby lowering the price tag a small amount.
6. I respected the fact that they only made me write one 500 word essay :-D . There is only one question this year as well.

Darden is having several summer visit days commonly referred to as “Fridays in July” on 13, 20, and 27 JUL. I attended one of these and it was an invaluable way to not only communicate my interest in the school, but also to hear first-hand from students, faculty, and admissions about their various experiences.

Best of luck and please let me know if you have any questions or plan to visit.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 06 Jul 2012, 22:33
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Hi Guys,

I'll be attending Darden this fall along with many others that have military backgrounds. Please feel free to reach out with any questions that you have.

I was accepted at two schools (one public, one private) during last year's application cycles and selected Darden for the following reasons:

1. Former military officers and enlisted make up about ~8% of each class so I knew that I would have plenty of vets in the alumni database that would be willing to help.
2. The core curriculum is rather robust, which is something that appealed to me considering that I didn’t have a professional business background or exposure to business courses during undergrad.
3. The class size is smaller (a little over 300), which I thought would make it easier to develop meaningful relationships with a greater portion of the class.
4. Charlottesville is a pretty awesome place if you like the outdoors, being in a college town, and/or dislike the idea of shoveling snow (<--that last one should be a big selling point to those of you that have ever spent a winter at Ft. Drum or in RC-North/East).
5. My GI Bill went further here because Virginia’s a public school; additionally, the state allows all transitioning military personnel to claim in-state residency, thereby lowering the price tag a small amount.
6. I respected the fact that they only made me write one 500 word essay :-D . There is only one question this year as well.

Darden is having several summer visit days commonly referred to as “Fridays in July” on 13, 20, and 27 JUL. I attended one of these and it was an invaluable way to not only communicate my interest in the school, but also to hear first-hand from students, faculty, and admissions about their various experiences.

Best of luck and please let me know if you have any questions or plan to visit.



Hey brother,

Applying to Darden Round 1. I'll be leaving RC(SW) for the rest of my life in early September, and I'll be visiting Charlottesville in mid-September.

Let's grab lunch and a few drinks if you'll be on campus? Then I can pick your brain a bit before I click "send" on the application.

My email is sonny.tai@afg.usmc.mil if you or anyone else wants to discuss anything b-school related.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 10 Jul 2012, 05:52
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I believe it is since another essay is a follow up interview essay due within 24 hours of the interview.

I'm throwing my hat in also, what I've noticed is the lack of enlisted members who are both current students and applying.

5.5 years active, 7 months reserve, USAF. 3.37 from top public. Gmat in August, east coast visits in September. Targeting HBS, CBS, Tuck, and Kellog for R1

2 Questions for current students/alums: 1. Does anyone have any resume books I can reference my resume to? I'm having trouble translating military jargon to civilian terms, and to make them sound interesting and important 2. For the HBS app on the employment section, am I listing the military branch as the one organization and list titles/positions I've held or use the multiple slots to list all of the different positions?



Lonesoui,
If you're still interested, PM me your contact info as I have a resume book from Darden (albeit an older one) that includes resumes of 3-4 former military guys.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 10 Jul 2012, 06:09
Army Nat'l Guard Guy here,

Any idea if the DD214 from Basic/AIT will qualify for the application waiver? From a technical standpoint, it is a release from Active Duty.
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