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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2012, 20:13
emont wrote:
Not going to give specifics, and here's why:

1. There's no single way to get into HBS or any other school, and I don't want to give anyone the impression that I have some special blueprint for getting admitted. Besides, for all I know I got into HBS in spite of my professional accomplishments and not because of them.

2. Everyone's accomplishments are going to be different, even if you have two people with relatively similar backgrounds and MOSs and duty stations and whatnot. So the things I listed will have little or no bearing on what you all will list.

3. It's personal information, and I don't feel like sharing it over the interwebs.

Your accomplishments are whatever you think makes your service unique or distinguished you relative to your peers, and they may be qualitative or quantitative. They're the same kind of bullet points you'd see on your fitness reports or on any award citations you've received.


Hi emont,
This is my usual problem. I don't make myself very clear( gotta point to write in weakness column).

What I had asked was not your accomplishments. everybody has different accomplishments and accomplishments are too personal to be asked in a forum.

What I had asked was awards and recognition. say if you got a congressional medal of honor. you would enter that under awards and recognition. same would be done by any officer who gets the same medal.

since you are a HBS student and a picture is worth a thousand words so I have attached a snapshot of the part of HBS application(rest assured not my application) that I am talking about.
In the part shown you just cant put accomplishments or achievements. you have to enter awards and awards are generally standard. Hence if you can guide us regarding what all is pertinent to this part of application, It should be really beneficial.

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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 01 Sep 2012, 19:28
Don't overthink things....here's a few examples I can think of off the top of my head:

-Personal awards or decorations....Army Commendation Medal, Navy Achievement Medal, Bronze Star, Outstanding Volunteer Award, Certificate of Commendation, etc. Will obviously vary based on nationality and branch of service. If you don't have any, don't worry about it....I didn't at the time I applied.
-Meritorious promotion, early augmentation/career designation, or earning warfare qualification ahead of schedule, etc.
-"Ranked number X out of YY captains in peer group"...
-"Honor graduate of XYZ Course with an XYZ GPA"

And so forth.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 01 Sep 2012, 22:32
Hi emont,

There comes my point exactly. Apart from the awards listed in point 1 all others do not have any certificates. So once you write them although your CO at that time knows your ranking among your peers you don't have any documentary proof. Should one list awards for which there is to certification?? Like my division sniper firing example-- if one doesn't have certificate should one list it among awards????
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 02 Sep 2012, 12:48
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Hi emont,

There comes my point exactly. Apart from the awards listed in point 1 all others do not have any certificates. So once you write them although your CO at that time knows your ranking among your peers you don't have any documentary proof. Should one list awards for which there is to certification?? Like my division sniper firing example-- if one doesn't have certificate should one list it among awards????
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Somebody complimenting your skills is not an award. If you don't have an official award, don't list it there. Those are things you can talk about in your essays or your recommenders can bring up.

To clarify for something you wrote earlier, you can list if you were selected for a prestigious position. e.g. Selected for xyz squad/mission/etc. (top x% of 1000 members/applicants/etc)
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 02 Sep 2012, 12:55
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Hi emont,

There comes my point exactly. Apart from the awards listed in point 1 all others do not have any certificates. So once you write them although your CO at that time knows your ranking among your peers you don't have any documentary proof. Should one list awards for which there is to certification?? Like my division sniper firing example-- if one doesn't have certificate should one list it among awards????
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I don't know how it is in other branches but in the Air Force your ranking is always listed on your annual performance report so there is documentation. That being said, I didn't list it in Awards/Recognition but I did put it on my resume.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 02 Sep 2012, 14:32
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Hi emont,

There comes my point exactly. Apart from the awards listed in point 1 all others do not have any certificates. So once you write them although your CO at that time knows your ranking among your peers you don't have any documentary proof. Should one list awards for which there is to certification?? Like my division sniper firing example-- if one doesn't have certificate should one list it among awards????
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Honor graduate, ranking relative to peers, and meritorious promotion/augmentation would all be documented somewhere. As long as it's a legitimate achievement or recognition that you're not lying about, it could be listed.

If you don't have anything to list it's not a death sentence. Don't throw something in there just to take up space. As I said, I didn't have anything to list at the time I applied aside from a merit scholarship I received following undergrad.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 02 Sep 2012, 17:24
I have a few questions about the resume. I have been told to stay away from military jargon in resume. I am currently in the process of updating my resume and come across a few issues I'm not sure of. I have been a BN Assitant S-3 Planner (Operations) for 18 months I don't know how to properly list that so an admission director would be able to fully understand what that means. I have been told it is the civilian equivalent of Assistant Chief of Operations. I have been in the Army 5+ years now and have held more positions then I can list on a one page resume, so should I just start from current and work my way back until I run out of room or go with two pages. Additionally, I am trying to translate my responsibilities as a Tank Company Commander into something the an adcom might understand. Are they any vets with combat arms background that could give me some tips.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 03 Sep 2012, 05:58
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I have a few questions about the resume. I have been told to stay away from military jargon in resume. I am currently in the process of updating my resume and come across a few issues I'm not sure of. I have been a BN Assitant S-3 Planner (Operations) for 18 months I don't know how to properly list that so an admission director would be able to fully understand what that means. I have been told it is the civilian equivalent of Assistant Chief of Operations. I have been in the Army 5+ years now and have held more positions then I can list on a one page resume, so should I just start from current and work my way back until I run out of room or go with two pages. Additionally, I am trying to translate my responsibilities as a Tank Company Commander into something the an adcom might understand. Are they any vets with combat arms background that could give me some tips.


Resumes are 1 page--that part is not up for debate unless you have 20+ years of work experience. Remember a resume isn't supposed to tell the adcom or hiring guys everything you've ever done, it's supposed to give them just enough information about you to make them want to ask you more in an interview. Consolidate positions if necessary...for instance I combined my time as a rifle platoon commander and rifle company XO under the same heading because they were within the same company. Obviously those of us in the military know that a platoon commander and XO do very different things, but to adcom there's a much smaller distinction. Same deal with my time as a series commander and company commander at a recruit training command...I was doing basically the same thing in both billets, the difference was mainly a matter of how many DIs and recruits I had under me.

And yes, you absolutely need to civilian-ize the terms and descriptions in your resume given that the person who reads it may know nothing about the military. Be specific, but talk in terms like:

"led # soldiers on # training/real-world operations, resulting in _______"
"managed XY millions of dollars in equipment, maintaining XY% readiness and operational efficiency"
"mentored # of soldiers selected for meritorious promotion or commissioning programs"
"led patrols that located # tons of homemade explosives and detained # insurgents who were turned over to Iraqi court system" (don't talk about how many bad guys you killed, though)
"trained # Iraqi/Afghani police and soldiers, boosting security and transition timetable and reducing insurgent attacks by XY%."
"ranked #2 out of 15 1stLts in my peer group by my battalion commander"
"held XYZ billet as a 1stLt, a job normally held by a senior Capt"
"awarded XYZ Medal for _______"

You get the idea.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 04 Sep 2012, 09:25
Hey guys,

I have a quick question for some of you. I'm also a military applicant and am probably going to be applying this season (may push it to 2014 class depending on my GMAT Score).

I'm going to start studying for the gmat this month. I have a somewhat different background in the military. I served 5 years total enlisted (37 months active, 24 months drilling reserves while in college) and have since commissioned as a Naval Officer. I'll probably have two years of commissioned service for a total of five active and 7 years total service if I separate this coming May. My problem is I didn't graduate until 24 so I have a lot of experience, but I'm not sure if the schools will even count my enlisted experience because I wasn't post bachelors yet. My transcripts shows LOA's for military service and part time schooling when I was active.

I have a strong GPA from a state school with a degree in Finance. I'm going to use my GI bill and yellow ribbon since I have two years of it left. I'm worried I'm going to have to go to entry level finance jobs and work my way back up before applying to MBA programs. I don't want to go outside of the top 50 schools because I want to maximize my GI bill. No point in wasting it.

Do you any of you think my situation will hurt me? FWIW, I had a strong record of enlisted service (2 dets overseas, junior NCO of the year, #1 of XXX fitreps, etc...).

I was in flight school but got disqualified for a medical issue. With the draw down, they're really not reassigning junior Officers. TBH, I think it's just my time to move careers.

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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 04 Sep 2012, 19:12
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Hey guys,

I have a quick question for some of you. I'm also a military applicant and am probably going to be applying this season (may push it to 2014 class depending on my GMAT Score).

I'm going to start studying for the gmat this month. I have a somewhat different background in the military. I served 5 years total enlisted (37 months active, 24 months drilling reserves while in college) and have since commissioned as a Naval Officer. I'll probably have two years of commissioned service for a total of five active and 7 years total service if I separate this coming May. My problem is I didn't graduate until 24 so I have a lot of experience, but I'm not sure if the schools will even count my enlisted experience because I wasn't post bachelors yet. My transcripts shows LOA's for military service and part time schooling when I was active.

I have a strong GPA from a state school with a degree in Finance. I'm going to use my GI bill and yellow ribbon since I have two years of it left. I'm worried I'm going to have to go to entry level finance jobs and work my way back up before applying to MBA programs. I don't want to go outside of the top 50 schools because I want to maximize my GI bill. No point in wasting it.

Do you any of you think my situation will hurt me? FWIW, I had a strong record of enlisted service (2 dets overseas, junior NCO of the year, #1 of XXX fitreps, etc...).

I was in flight school but got disqualified for a medical issue. With the draw down, they're really not reassigning junior Officers. TBH, I think it's just my time to move careers.

Thanks.


Experience is experience regardless of whether it's enlisted or commissioned or whether it's before or after undergrad. Two guys in my HBS class did their bachelor degrees after finishing their enlisted time so their "work experience" was made up entirely of stuff they did before college. Definitely mention your enlisted time on your resume and in your essays since it sounds like it was more significant than your commissioned time, both in terms of duration and the experiences you'll be able to talk about.

Don't feel like you have to apologize for the med discharge or anything like that. I know of at least one vet in my class who left active duty prior to finishing his initial commitment due to a training-related injury. That stuff happens.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 04 Sep 2012, 23:24
Thanks for all the great replies. Goes a long way in clearing my dilemma.

Since I got so many great responses I am gonna ask some more questions.

The application says to list each employer only once even if one has served multiple positions under the employer and explain the positions in resume.

So do we list Army as single employer and explain various positions in different units in resume or do we list employer as each unit I have served in and then explain various positions in each unit in the resume?? basic question is my employer army or my unit?? seems a bit silly but would be great if somebody could clear this up.

Secondly, after my graduation, I went to training academy for officer training for one year. do we count the one year training in our experience?? I am asking this because my classmates in corporate add training in their respective firm before starting work in their experience.

Any views would help!!!
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 05 Sep 2012, 15:33
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 05 Sep 2012, 16:10
I'm not real sure how the Army works, but I know a CO can extend you (especially if you have IRR time left) if he deems you mission essential to make you deploy with them. I know it sucks but there isn't really much you can do. Your CO will have to sign your resignation so you're in a tough position. Try talking to them and explaining why you would like to get out.

Just wondering, if you were planning on leaving, why did you PCS?
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 05 Sep 2012, 22:26
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I'm getting some pushback from my battalion commander on my REFRAD. I was wondering if anyone has run into similar issues with getting the mandatory counseling from their battalion and brigade commanders.

I PCS'd to my unit at the end of summer and promptly submitted my REFRAD. I've jumped through all the hurdles so far and just need the counselings from my battalion and brigade commanders before I can move forward. The problem is that my battalion commander has cancelled our meeting twice, yelled at me for even coming to the unit, and wants me to postpone my plans to get out to deploy with the unit in 9 months.

Anyone have any advice on how much he can interfere with this process? I'd hate to think I've spent so much time on my applications so far to be yanked around by one individual.


Technically speaking in the Army you don't even need your battalion commander to counsel you for the refrad process to go forward. By regulation, you only need the first O6 in your chain of command, which would be the BDE commander. If your BN Cdr is really giving you the run around, I'd use the open door policy to talk to him about it. If that doesn't work, let him know you need to exercise the same policy to speak with the BDE Cdr. Hopefully it won't come to that, but you can't let a domineering field grade officer crush your career and educational prospects.

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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2012, 04:12
Another reminder about HBS's Military Prospective Students' Day--registration here: https://hbs.askadmissions.net/Portal/EI ... 0a1acaa9de

It's a great way to spend a day on campus and get some firsthand observations about HBS in particular or business school life in general. A lot of the stuff we'll cover about admissions, finaid, recruiting, etc. will be applicable for any school, and the presentations are geared specifically towards military applicants. Plus you'll have access to about 40-50 of our current veteran students so you'll have opportunities to ask questions about anything on your mind.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2012, 04:16
What are your guys opinion on school rank vs area you want to live post grad? Just curious. Are you trying to settle somewhere or are you still somewhat mobile?
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2012, 07:50
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What are your guys opinion on school rank vs area you want to live post grad? Just curious. Are you trying to settle somewhere or are you still somewhat mobile?


Personally my opinion is go to the best school you can get into regardless of location. I would prefer to not spend my career in NYC but I'm applying early decision to Columbia because I think as a top tier school it will open the most doors into the career field I want. I will worry about location as a secondary issue, for me the doors that open from being in the best program possible is more than worth the location trade-off.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2012, 11:24
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What are your guys opinion on school rank vs area you want to live post grad? Just curious. Are you trying to settle somewhere or are you still somewhat mobile?


Personally my opinion is go to the best school you can get into regardless of location. I would prefer to not spend my career in NYC but I'm applying early decision to Columbia because I think as a top tier school it will open the most doors into the career field I want. I will worry about location as a secondary issue, for me the doors that open from being in the best program possible is more than worth the location trade-off.

That's what I figured. I really like USC because of the program in real estate and the network in SOCAL. I want to settle in Orange County with my wife and raise my family there when that time comes. The problem is my GI bill will pay full tuition at higher ranked schools. USC would cost me 40k or so total out of pocket after YR and VA payments. I could (theoretically and depending on where I can get accepted) go to Michigan, Virgina or Texas for free (Top choices) or any UC school like Irvine. I'm still in the early research stages but just wanted to get your guys opinions. I don't have kids yet so I'm thinking my wife and I won't have as much trouble moving and being away from our families (her's in Socal, mine in Hawaii) while I'm in school. I'm also really interested in the UT energy finance concentration. Thanks for listening to my rambling.
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Re: Calling all US Military Fall 2013 Applicants! [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2012, 12:14
Never thought of UCLA. Looking into now.
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