Find all School-related info fast with the new School-Specific MBA Forum

It is currently 20 Apr 2014, 23:07

Close

GMAT Club Daily Prep

Thank you for using the timer - this advanced tool can estimate your performance and suggest more practice questions. We have subscribed you to Daily Prep Questions via email.

Customized
for You

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Track
Your Progress

every week, we’ll send you an estimated GMAT score based on your performance

Practice
Pays

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Not interested in getting valuable practice questions and articles delivered to your email? No problem, unsubscribe here.

Events & Promotions

Events & Promotions in June
Open Detailed Calendar

Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates

  Question banks Downloads My Bookmarks Reviews Important topics  
Author Message
Senior Manager
Senior Manager
User avatar
Affiliations: ACA, CPA
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Posts: 445
Location: Vagabond
Schools: BC
WE 1: Big4, Audit
WE 2: Banking
Followers: 4

Kudos [?]: 30 [0], given: 41

GMAT Tests User
Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 10 Jun 2009, 19:21
I would talk bout them in 4b. Just my view.
The essays are mighty tough this time!!

cozmo8 wrote:
Essays seem to be relatively tough compared to last year. For essay 1, though the question doesn't ask for career progress, do you think its a good idea to go through career progress and then discuss goals?

_________________

If you have made mistakes, there is always another chance for you. You may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing we call "failure" is not the falling down, but the staying down.

Intern
Intern
Joined: 04 Jun 2009
Posts: 18
Followers: 0

Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 2

Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 10 Jun 2009, 19:55
It's a tough one for sure.

To me essay 1 is more like a mix bag of the standard career goal essay and Stanford's "what matters" one. I would say focus is definitely on future plan but career progression could help explain how the goals have been shaped along the way.

Another interesting observation of this one is since it mentions Wharton's goal, are we going to align ours with Wharton too?

Any thoughts, guys?

cozmo8 wrote:
Essays seem to be relatively tough compared to last year. For essay 1, though the question doesn't ask for career progress, do you think its a good idea to go through career progress and then discuss goals?
Senior Manager
Senior Manager
User avatar
Affiliations: ACA, CPA
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Posts: 445
Location: Vagabond
Schools: BC
WE 1: Big4, Audit
WE 2: Banking
Followers: 4

Kudos [?]: 30 [0], given: 41

GMAT Tests User
Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 10 Jun 2009, 19:58
I think its more of a "fit" question

atwater wrote:

Another interesting observation of this one is since it mentions Wharton's goal, are we going to align ours with Wharton too?

Any thoughts, guys?


_________________

If you have made mistakes, there is always another chance for you. You may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing we call "failure" is not the falling down, but the staying down.

Current Student
User avatar
Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Posts: 182
Schools: Fuqua Class of 2012
Followers: 4

Kudos [?]: 46 [0], given: 21

Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 11 Jun 2009, 05:03
I don't know about the rest of you, but for me essay #2 seems pretty tough. Is this a diversity question or a teamwork question? Both?
If it's diversity then I'm screwed because I've never been in an environment where I've had to adapt to another culture in any significant way. I'm assuming they are looking for something along the lines of "when I worked in Spain on project X ... I realized that their culture values Y an Z qualities and I had to adapt my perspective on marketing product A ...". I can't think of anything that comes close to something like that for me.
What am I supposed to say, "When I started the contract with Government Agency X, I soon realized that all of the government workers were just as the stereotypes suggest ... so I had to adapt by lowering my standards and accepting the bureaucracy and general inefficiencies that were commonplace ...".

I'm going to have to think hard about this one, and even if I come up with something I fear it will come across as total BS.

Any thoughts? What do you think they are looking for here?
2 KUDOS received
GMAT Forum Moderator
User avatar
Joined: 01 Nov 2007
Posts: 356
Schools: Wharton Class of 2011
Followers: 14

Kudos [?]: 68 [2] , given: 14

GMAT Tests User
Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 11 Jun 2009, 05:29
2
This post received
KUDOS
Adcoms don't "look" for anything in the essays, that's for sure. There is no right/wrong answer - they just want to know who you are after reading your essays. If you are trying to tell them what they want to hear, you will be in deep trouble.

And somebody must have influenced you and your career, somebody completely different than you. There is not just cultural difference in the game. Someone on the "opposite side" might have presented you his point of view - 'look I know that you sales people think that the main thing is X, but for me the most important thing is Y'. Even someone in the street could have told you something that seemed totally insignificant in that moment, but you realized later the true value of his/her wisdom. People different from us have tons of problems, joys, hopes, wishes... How they deal with that and how someone of them influenced the way you solve your problems or enjoy the fruits of your endeavors?

Your example with government might be good start point, just don't be so negative in your essays :wink: You could present what was their point of view in certain situation, what was important for them but insignificant to you, how they tried to solve the problem and what did you think about it. How their standpoint was different from yours and why? And most important (this is THE most important thing in every essay, not just this one), what have you learned from that situation?
_________________

My GMAT experience
My retake experience - GMAT dropped from 720 to 690 - advice for retakers
My TOEFL experience - 108


Current Student
User avatar
Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Posts: 182
Schools: Fuqua Class of 2012
Followers: 4

Kudos [?]: 46 [0], given: 21

Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 11 Jun 2009, 08:37
Thanks for the advice, Pathfinder. Working in IT, I guess I could pull the whole "we were developing this product and then spoke with the customer and our eyes opened" type thing, but I'm not sure if that's substantial enough or if I'd even want to go in that direction. I interpreted the question as more global-leaning since, in my head, that's what these schools are looking for.

AskSandy on the BW forums went on a rant about the new Wharton essays:
http://forums.businessweek.com/n/pfx/fo ... &tid=10180
GMAT Forum Moderator
User avatar
Joined: 01 Nov 2007
Posts: 356
Schools: Wharton Class of 2011
Followers: 14

Kudos [?]: 68 [0], given: 14

GMAT Tests User
Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 11 Jun 2009, 11:44
mba12tech wrote:
Thanks for the advice, Pathfinder. Working in IT, I guess I could pull the whole "we were developing this product and then spoke with the customer and our eyes opened" type thing, but I'm not sure if that's substantial enough or if I'd even want to go in that direction. I interpreted the question as more global-leaning since, in my head, that's what these schools are looking for.

AskSandy on the BW forums went on a rant about the new Wharton essays:
http://forums.businessweek.com/n/pfx/fo ... &tid=10180

You are making the same mistake again trying to find out what schools are looking for. Don't do that, just tell them how open-minded and cool guy you are. You don't have to save the world and talk about global stuff for that - you have to do something extraordinary in some totally ordinary situation. Just tell them what have you learned from that experience.
_________________

My GMAT experience
My retake experience - GMAT dropped from 720 to 690 - advice for retakers
My TOEFL experience - 108


2 KUDOS received
Senior Manager
Senior Manager
User avatar
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Posts: 467
Location: Silicon Valley via Russia, China, Canada and Wharton/Lauder
Schools: Wharton/Lauder (Mandarin Chinese)
Followers: 9

Kudos [?]: 52 [2] , given: 8

GMAT Tests User
Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 11 Jun 2009, 15:56
2
This post received
KUDOS
atwater wrote:
It's a tough one for sure.

To me essay 1 is more like a mix bag of the standard career goal essay and Stanford's "what matters" one. I would say focus is definitely on future plan but career progression could help explain how the goals have been shaped along the way.

Another interesting observation of this one is since it mentions Wharton's goal, are we going to align ours with Wharton too?

Any thoughts, guys?


I would not try to guess what the adcom wants to hear from you. Instead, I would decide on what I want the adcom to know about my personality, career, interests, etc. It is good to take Paul Bodine's book and follow his advice on how to approach the application. The key is in deciding on what exactly your strengths are, defining examples of such, understanding your weaknesses and finding ways to address them in your app.

It is crucial to view all (ALL!) components of your application holistically. In other words, it helps to research all the components of the application, and decide on how each of the parts will be used and what part of the overarching statement will be assigned to each of them. Simply speaking, think strategically, define the functions of the application components, maybe evaluate their weight and assign tasks to them.

In this way, depending on your plan, you may want to mention your hobbies briefly in essays 1, 2, and 3, (or in none at all) and then focus on your unique hobby that may be an illustration of something that you think will help you be ahead of the pack.

I think assigning a narrow function to an essay topic (as in "fit essay", "goals essay", etc.) is only helpful within the broader framework of your application strategy. Instead, you may want to stress your fit in several essays, each giving a new interesting angle of this "fit", same thing goes for your career goals. After all, all of your essays, recos, test scores, and all other components of your app will be viewed as your answer to "Why MBA? Why Wharton? Why now?", not just the goals essay.
_________________

Rukuku.com–Interactive Online Courses
http://www.rukuku.com

Wharton/Lauder blog
http://www.onefootprint.com/lauderwharton/

Director
Director
User avatar
Joined: 26 Mar 2008
Posts: 652
Schools: Duke 2012
Followers: 12

Kudos [?]: 113 [0], given: 16

GMAT Tests User
Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 11 Jun 2009, 16:00
I would agree with pathfinder...i didn't read anything into it other than that you should write about someone that thinks differently than you. It doesn't sound like it even needs to be a professional story. It sounds like they just want to know you're open-minded.
_________________

"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity." - Frank Leahy

Senior Manager
Senior Manager
User avatar
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Posts: 467
Location: Silicon Valley via Russia, China, Canada and Wharton/Lauder
Schools: Wharton/Lauder (Mandarin Chinese)
Followers: 9

Kudos [?]: 52 [0], given: 8

GMAT Tests User
Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 11 Jun 2009, 16:19
highhopes wrote:
It sounds like they just want to know you're open-minded.


Again - too simplistic. Maybe they do not want to know this at all, or maybe they do, or maybe it is a chance for you to show how you manage conflicts, or how you defend your ideas, or how (in)tolerant you are to stupidity, or how impatient you are and have to work on it, or how you're tired of others with a different opinion, or how your religious beliefs contradict those of people around you and it either causes problems or, alternatively, helps your community become better or makes it hostile and intolerant and impossible to live in. There is a million ways of answering the question.
_________________

Rukuku.com–Interactive Online Courses
http://www.rukuku.com

Wharton/Lauder blog
http://www.onefootprint.com/lauderwharton/

Senior Manager
Senior Manager
User avatar
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Posts: 467
Location: Silicon Valley via Russia, China, Canada and Wharton/Lauder
Schools: Wharton/Lauder (Mandarin Chinese)
Followers: 9

Kudos [?]: 52 [0], given: 8

GMAT Tests User
Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 11 Jun 2009, 16:24
snipertrader wrote:
The essays are mighty tough this time!!


When haven't essays been tough?
_________________

Rukuku.com–Interactive Online Courses
http://www.rukuku.com

Wharton/Lauder blog
http://www.onefootprint.com/lauderwharton/

1 KUDOS received
GMAT Forum Moderator
User avatar
Joined: 01 Nov 2007
Posts: 356
Schools: Wharton Class of 2011
Followers: 14

Kudos [?]: 68 [1] , given: 14

GMAT Tests User
Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 11 Jun 2009, 16:38
1
This post received
KUDOS
xerox wrote:
highhopes wrote:
There is a million ways of answering the question.


Exactly. Everyone should find his/her own way. NEVER talk what they want to hear, NEVER show them what they want to see. You have to be yourself, to show who you are, to let them know you.

The only one essay that has to have some kind of "form" is Goal essay. Again, you have to find your own way and to write whatever you find appropriate, but this essay has to contain some elements:
1. Past and current experience
2. Short term and long term goals
3. Clear connection between your experience and your goals
4. The missing link - how school can help you achieve this.
5. What can you contribute to the school.

All other essays are written in the open form. Set the stage, discribe the event and don't forget to mention what have you lerned. And... don't forget the word limit.
_________________

My GMAT experience
My retake experience - GMAT dropped from 720 to 690 - advice for retakers
My TOEFL experience - 108


Current Student
User avatar
Joined: 01 Jun 2009
Posts: 76
Location: New York
Schools: Tuck Class of 2012
Followers: 2

Kudos [?]: 10 [0], given: 9

Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 11 Jun 2009, 17:27
R1 it is.
_________________

I eat your big kahuna burger. I eat it up!

Intern
Intern
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
Posts: 41
Location: London
Schools: LBS
Followers: 0

Kudos [?]: 1 [0], given: 1

Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 12 Jun 2009, 10:17
ezekiel2517 wrote:
R1 it is.


I much prefer last years questions to this. Anyway, will make the most out of it and hopefully should be ok for round 1.
Current Student
User avatar
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Posts: 169
Location: Berkeley, CA
Schools: Berkeley-Haas MBA
WE 1: Investment Management (fund of funds)
WE 2: Private Equity ($2bn generalist fund)
Followers: 1

Kudos [?]: 13 [0], given: 7

Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 14 Jun 2009, 15:42
Not only is Qn 2 hard, but its 750-1000 words! I was brain storming and coming up with material to write for the essay when I realized (after a few hours :?) that re-applicants don't need to write this essay. Boy was I relieved. However, I can say though that this essay wasn't as bad as it seemed after I had brainstormed.

A question for re-applicants:

1) My story has changed slightly since I applied last year. Will this raise a flag with the adcom? I don't want them to feel that I don't have a clear vision of what I want to do.

2) Essay #2 (for re-applicants) is the same as last year - a failure and what you learnt. I still think my failure essay last year portrayed the "best" failure (& comeback) and I can't come up with anything better. Can I keep the core of the essay the same, or is it recommended that I come up with something else?

Thanks!
GMAT Forum Moderator
User avatar
Joined: 01 Nov 2007
Posts: 356
Schools: Wharton Class of 2011
Followers: 14

Kudos [?]: 68 [0], given: 14

GMAT Tests User
Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 15 Jun 2009, 04:17
stopper5 wrote:
Not only is Qn 2 hard, but its 750-1000 words!

Beleive me, it is much easier to have 1000 word limit than 400. I had both, writtung the Goal essay for Cambridge Judge with only 400 word limit and later the same essay for Wharton with 1000. It was much easier to express your ambitions in 1000 words than in 400. I wrote one 1000+ word essay and then chopped it first to 1000 and later to 400 words.

It was hell, I found extremely difficult to describe my past and current WE, goals and the way b-school is going to help me achieve them. In addition, you have to mention why that particular school and what will be my contribution to class... 400 words - a mess.
_________________

My GMAT experience
My retake experience - GMAT dropped from 720 to 690 - advice for retakers
My TOEFL experience - 108


Current Student
User avatar
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Posts: 169
Location: Berkeley, CA
Schools: Berkeley-Haas MBA
WE 1: Investment Management (fund of funds)
WE 2: Private Equity ($2bn generalist fund)
Followers: 1

Kudos [?]: 13 [0], given: 7

Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 15 Jun 2009, 04:44
pathfinder, I totally agree. For the goals essay, 400 or even 600 words is way too short. Wharton gives enough room to go through progress to date, short-term & long-term goals, why wharton, why now.... in 1000 words. A 400-word limit for the goals essay almost seems impossible!

My word limit comment was directed specifically to the "Tell us about a time when you had to adapt by accepting/understanding the perspective of people different from yourself." question.

While I was writing the outline I was thinking to myself there's a lot to write on 1 experience! I could be way off though, but that was my initial impression.
GMAT Forum Moderator
User avatar
Joined: 01 Nov 2007
Posts: 356
Schools: Wharton Class of 2011
Followers: 14

Kudos [?]: 68 [0], given: 14

GMAT Tests User
Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 15 Jun 2009, 04:48
Yes, you are probably right. For goal essay 1000 words is a fit, but for all other essays 500 - 550 is just about right measure.
_________________

My GMAT experience
My retake experience - GMAT dropped from 720 to 690 - advice for retakers
My TOEFL experience - 108


SVP
SVP
User avatar
Joined: 04 Dec 2007
Posts: 1689
Schools: Kellogg '11
Followers: 13

Kudos [?]: 176 [0], given: 31

GMAT Tests User
Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 15 Jun 2009, 15:23
Interestingly, their essay 1 with regards to global goals, seems a lot like Duke's "leaders of consequence" essay. Take a look at last year's "calling all Duke Fall 2011" thread for some of that discussion.
Director
Director
User avatar
Joined: 18 Feb 2008
Posts: 798
Followers: 20

Kudos [?]: 83 [0], given: 25

GMAT Tests User
Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates [#permalink] New post 18 Jun 2009, 06:49
Re: Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates   [#permalink] 18 Jun 2009, 06:49
    Similar topics Author Replies Last post
Similar
Topics:
This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies. New 43 Experts publish their posts in the topic Calling all Berkeley-Haas Fall 2010 Applicants kryzak 1236 13 May 2009, 00:23
This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies. New 157 Experts publish their posts in the topic Calling all HBS Fall 2010 Candidates garbus222 1578 20 May 2009, 16:51
This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies. New Calling all Notre Dame (Mendoza) Fall 2010 Candidates Pre777 117 18 Dec 2009, 06:37
Moved topic 114 Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates javaexe 2087 22 May 2009, 12:56
Display posts from previous: Sort by

Calling all Wharton Fall 2010 Candidates

  Question banks Downloads My Bookmarks Reviews Important topics  

Go to page   Previous    1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11  ...  105    Next  [ 2088 posts ] 



cron

GMAT Club MBA Forum Home| About| Privacy Policy| Terms and Conditions| GMAT Club Rules| Contact| Sitemap

Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group and phpBB SEO

Kindly note that the GMAT® test is a registered trademark of the Graduate Management Admission Council®, and this site has neither been reviewed nor endorsed by GMAC®.