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Re: Calling Chicago GSB Applicants for 2009 [#permalink] New post 05 Oct 2008, 14:16
see you guys missed the point, not everything in business, as in life, can be explained in 30 sec or less..thats just making the audience dumber ..and to think that you can convey a fairly important point in a bullet, either assumes the audience already has a very good understanding of the problem or is incredibly dumb that you cannot afford to explain to them something in detail.

for instance, lets take a real life experience from my own personal history, my father passed away when i was 14.. now i can put up a bullet point saying "FATHER PASSED AWAY, VERY DIFFICULT TIME" blah blah.. but really if i were to write a passage and actually relate personal experiences from that phase in life..I think i can convey the gravity of the problem i was faced with..

as for MC, any complicated case study I have done over the past 2 years the final product is almost entirely a whitepaper. While you can make very high-level assessment using powerpoint, in order to explain something, or convey the gravity of a problem, you use whitepapers. Believe it or not, whitepapers are part of my KPI, they account for 50% of annual rating.
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Re: Calling Chicago GSB Applicants for 2009 [#permalink] New post 05 Oct 2008, 14:49
I think your problem is that you are thinking of this PowerPoint as only the business type of presentation with bullets. You'll need to be more creative with your presentation and I'm sure you'll get there eventually. While, you might choose to have some bullet points in your presentation, I wouldn't go this route with too much frequency. It will be pretty boring.

As an example: Why not honor your father with a page celebrating his life and showing how he influenced who you are today? You can convey this example through some combination of pictures and words, for that is up to you to decide.

Good luck to you, and my advice is for you to try and expand your concept of what exactly a PowrPoint can look like. Do not just put bullets in an outline format or you can expect a pretty quick ding.
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Re: Calling Chicago GSB Applicants for 2009 [#permalink] New post 05 Oct 2008, 16:17
This is NOT a power point, this is another essay, but rather than a written one is a more visual one. I sent mine as a pdf, and I've never used Microsoft anything to produce my pdf (I'm a Mac user).

If you can't tell who are you that fast, how would you behave at an interview with that question? Do you think that the interviewer would want to spend 4 months with candidates and then when he or she knows the candidates better then he or she would decide who to hire?

Life is not fair, and I agree is not "linear" or if one prefers is not "Cartesian". Anyway, I've already said that the slide presentation is another point in the admission at the GSB as it is any other point else, if you don't like it, that's fair, I didn't like many thing in my process. But ask anyone within the GSB community and you'll see how everybody liked doing this after all...
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Re: Calling Chicago GSB Applicants for 2009 [#permalink] New post 05 Oct 2008, 20:24
JB thanks for the tip..

well see the problem with putting pictures is i dont know if adcom is just going to print them in black and white or are they actually going to use projector..though I am not planning on using animation at all...

as for in a 4 minute interview answering questions IS VERY different from making a slide presentation about yourself...

so the question is should i risk putting pictures not knowing if the adcom will be using color printers or not? or are they going to user projectors???
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Re: Calling Chicago GSB Applicants for 2009 [#permalink] New post 05 Oct 2008, 21:48
They used color printers last year. You are not allowed to use animation (they only look at static printed stuff) so that was never an option. Most admitted people I know put pictures on their ppts (and I've seen a few). I didn't put a single picture on mine. I also got dinged after an interview.

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JB thanks for the tip..

well see the problem with putting pictures is i dont know if adcom is just going to print them in black and white or are they actually going to use projector..though I am not planning on using animation at all...

as for in a 4 minute interview answering questions IS VERY different from making a slide presentation about yourself...

so the question is should i risk putting pictures not knowing if the adcom will be using color printers or not? or are they going to user projectors???
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Re: Calling Chicago GSB Applicants for 2009 [#permalink] New post 06 Oct 2008, 04:59
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see you guys missed the point, not everything in business, as in life, can be explained in 30 sec or less


I never said everything could.... I wouldn't expect someone to explain quantum mechanics in a few slides..... but if someone handed me a slide that said: "Fix the side panels or they will peel off and the shuttle will explode on re-entry" and next to that is a picture of a burning shuttle and people crying, I'd probably pay attention. More so than if I got some document with a title like "A Non-Linear Probability Model for Verifying Deterministic Forecasts of Shuttle Re-entry Events".

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as for MC, any complicated case study I have done over the past 2 years the final product is almost entirely a whitepaper. While you can make very high-level assessment using powerpoint, in order to explain something, or convey the gravity of a problem, you use whitepapers. Believe it or not, whitepapers are part of my KPI, they account for 50% of annual rating.


Interesting. I've never run into a firm that delivers whitepapers to clients as their primary deliverable. You learn something new every day I guess. A lot of the firms I know generate the stuff simply for the purposes of future selling ("Hey check out this whitepaper / though leadership we have on the subject"). Is your firm primarily focused in research? 50% and a KPI seems awfully high!
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Re: Calling Chicago GSB Applicants for 2009 [#permalink] New post 06 Oct 2008, 08:53
ryhme, the thing about MC is that as you progress in your career you have to develop a SME and whitepapers are your means of telling to the world that you are an expert in a specific area. Every year I undertak 4-5 major projects and I am supposed to write upto 4 whitepapers.

Whitepapers do serve as a selling tool, however, for example in my area of expertise (corp. strategy and business development), I conduct workshops, so while during the course of an assignment I will use powerpoints, however the end result of my assignment, usually a Workshop strategy readout document, is in the form of a whitepaper. If the lessons learned have a wider impact on the industry, I will author a "public facing" whitepaper.

I dont think a first year associate will author any whitepapers, but as you progress, whitepapers become a major component of your rating..



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see you guys missed the point, not everything in business, as in life, can be explained in 30 sec or less


I never said everything could.... I wouldn't expect someone to explain quantum mechanics in a few slides..... but if someone handed me a slide that said: "Fix the side panels or they will peel off and the shuttle will explode on re-entry" and next to that is a picture of a burning shuttle and people crying, I'd probably pay attention. More so than if I got some document with a title like "A Non-Linear Probability Model for Verifying Deterministic Forecasts of Shuttle Re-entry Events".

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as for MC, any complicated case study I have done over the past 2 years the final product is almost entirely a whitepaper. While you can make very high-level assessment using powerpoint, in order to explain something, or convey the gravity of a problem, you use whitepapers. Believe it or not, whitepapers are part of my KPI, they account for 50% of annual rating.


Interesting. I've never run into a firm that delivers whitepapers to clients as their primary deliverable. You learn something new every day I guess. A lot of the firms I know generate the stuff simply for the purposes of future selling ("Hey check out this whitepaper / though leadership we have on the subject"). Is your firm primarily focused in research? 50% and a KPI seems awfully high!
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Re: Calling Chicago GSB Applicants for 2009 [#permalink] New post 06 Oct 2008, 08:53
ryhme, the thing about MC is that as you progress in your career you have to develop a SME and whitepapers are your means of telling to the world that you are an expert in a specific area. Every year I undertak 4-5 major projects and I am supposed to write upto 4 whitepapers.

Whitepapers do serve as a selling tool, however, for example in my area of expertise (corp. strategy and business development), I conduct workshops, so while during the course of an assignment I will use powerpoints, however the end result of my assignment, usually a Workshop strategy readout document, is in the form of a whitepaper. If the lessons learned have a wider impact on the industry, I will author a "public facing" whitepaper.

I dont think a first year associate will author any whitepapers, but as you progress, whitepapers become a major component of your rating..



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fresinha12 wrote:
see you guys missed the point, not everything in business, as in life, can be explained in 30 sec or less


I never said everything could.... I wouldn't expect someone to explain quantum mechanics in a few slides..... but if someone handed me a slide that said: "Fix the side panels or they will peel off and the shuttle will explode on re-entry" and next to that is a picture of a burning shuttle and people crying, I'd probably pay attention. More so than if I got some document with a title like "A Non-Linear Probability Model for Verifying Deterministic Forecasts of Shuttle Re-entry Events".

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as for MC, any complicated case study I have done over the past 2 years the final product is almost entirely a whitepaper. While you can make very high-level assessment using powerpoint, in order to explain something, or convey the gravity of a problem, you use whitepapers. Believe it or not, whitepapers are part of my KPI, they account for 50% of annual rating.


Interesting. I've never run into a firm that delivers whitepapers to clients as their primary deliverable. You learn something new every day I guess. A lot of the firms I know generate the stuff simply for the purposes of future selling ("Hey check out this whitepaper / though leadership we have on the subject"). Is your firm primarily focused in research? 50% and a KPI seems awfully high!
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I have couple of questions regarding the slide presentation: if I include photos I downloaded from the internet, do I need to worry about copyright issues? Should I put in a reference?

Also, whats up with the 2nd essay topic? I have completed and submitted Wharton and Harvard application, so I thought I was doing well, but after seeing the 2nd essay question on the Chicago GSB I feel stumped.....almost feel like not writing it....but of course I will. I guess I am just bitching because I need a pick me up....hopefully there are other strengths in my application to make up for the 2nd essay question.....I mean how many environmental engineers/environmental project managers are applying anyway?!
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Re: Calling Chicago GSB Applicants for 2009 [#permalink] New post 07 Oct 2008, 12:58
I had the same sentiment on essay 2 -- I thought it was not a great question. At first I was stumped, but I talked to some co-workers and friends about it and they helped me focus in on a topic I had actually not thought about, but that worked well. That being said, I still believe Essay 2 for GSB is my weakest out of any school.
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Re: Calling Chicago GSB Applicants for 2009 [#permalink] New post 07 Oct 2008, 13:56
I think most applicants are having a hard time w/ GSB's #2. I feel like they already threw the curve ball with the powerpoint, so what's with the double-whammy of making #2 the 1,000 word essay? After completing the Wharton app, Chicago has depressed me to the point where I have contemplated not applying in R1. If I didn't believe that Chicago was such a great school, then I probably wouldn't put myself through the pain of doing their application (and maybe that's the intent?)
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Re: Calling Chicago GSB Applicants for 2009 [#permalink] New post 07 Oct 2008, 15:34
I thought #2 would be far easier than it actually was. I ended up choosing the option about going against popular opinion and chose a non-work example...and spent forever writing it. As a result, while I'm done w/ the essays for Chicago, I'm behind on the other essays. Oye!
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Re: Calling Chicago GSB Applicants for 2009 [#permalink] New post 07 Oct 2008, 16:12
It's just Chicago being Chicago and following their motto "Challenge Everything." They want to see how you challenge convention or what you do when your beliefs are challenged. Show how you analyzed the situation and made your decision. They're looking for analytical people.
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Re: Calling Chicago GSB Applicants for 2009 [#permalink] New post 09 Oct 2008, 13:53
I just received an email from Admissions today to notify me that my application is now complete and under review. Let the games begin!
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Re: Calling Chicago GSB Applicants for 2009 [#permalink] New post 09 Oct 2008, 13:58
I have all of my ideas and outlines together and just need to execute this weekend. Really last minute for me but hopefully it should work out.
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Re: Calling Chicago GSB Applicants for 2009 [#permalink] New post 09 Oct 2008, 14:10
I'm submitting tomorrow after I get paid, so I can afford the $200 application fee.

You think I'm joking....but I'm not. :|
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Re: Calling Chicago GSB Applicants for 2009 [#permalink] New post 09 Oct 2008, 17:24
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I'm submitting tomorrow after I get paid, so I can afford the $200 application fee.

You think I'm joking....but I'm not. :|



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I'm submitting tomorrow after I get paid, so I can afford the $200 application fee.

You think I'm joking....but I'm not. :|


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Re: Calling Chicago GSB Applicants for 2009 [#permalink] New post 10 Oct 2008, 09:23
I went to an admissions event this week. Overall, nothing new. Talked to Joanna (associate director, admissions) about essay 2 and she said what most of us know - that fit with Chicago is really important and they are looking for applicants who can actually turn this essay to their advantage and articulate how Chicago GSB is the right school for them. I went to a small town event with about 15 prospective students, so got a chance to have longer conversations than other events with 200+ people.
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I went to an admissions event this week. Overall, nothing new. Talked to Joanna (associate director, admissions) about essay 2 and she said what most of us know - that fit with Chicago is really important and they are looking for applicants who can actually turn this essay to their advantage and articulate how Chicago GSB is the right school for them. I went to a small town event with about 15 prospective students, so got a chance to have longer conversations than other events with 200+ people.


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