Can you expand on this ibid and why it sucks?
Sorry if it has been explained before.
It has not. It doesnt suck really.... i was just being pissy....
The old system had you bidding on a schedule or courses combined with alternates. That made things a bit complicated, but if you knew how to use it, it was pretty powerful.
If you are curious....under the old bid system, you might put in a bid that looks like this:
The way you read this is as follows: (warning, this might get hard to follow)
I'm bidding 2732 points on a SCHEDULE of courses that includes: 37000-01 (or 37000-02) and 35005-05 and 30000-01. The system will try to get me 37000-01, 35005-05 and 30000-01 for up to 2732 points per class. If 37000-01 costs more than 2732 points, then itll try to put me in 37000-02. If it can't put me in 37000-01, 35005-05 and 30000-01 OR into 37000-02, 35005-05 and 30000-01 then it moves to schedule 2.
In other words - the system tries to get me this COMBINED SCHEDULE:
37000-01, 35005-05, 30000-01
37000-02, 35005-05, 30000-01
The "tricky" thing about bidding in the old system is that if ANY of the schedule combinations in a schedule cost more than your bid, you get nothing - its not like it will say "well, you get 37000-01 but I couldnt put you in 35005-05." If it can't put you in 35005-01, even if it can put you in 30000-01, it just throws out the whole schedule. That means you have to bid smart -- effectively bidding as to what you think the most expensive class in the schedule is. If it cant get schedule 1, it goes to 2.
Schedule 2 becomes a bit more complex to read, its saying that for 2544.. I'll take any combination of:
37001-01 OR 02
AND 38002-02 OR 81
AND 30000-01 OR 81
So in this case the system will try to get me into:
370001-01, 38002-02, 30000-01
370001-01, 38002-02, 30000-81
370001-01, 38002-81, 30000-81
370001-02, 38002-02, 30000-01
370001-02, 38002-02, 30000-81
you get the idea...
What that means in practice is that you have to think about all the permutations possible with this combination - its kind of messy, and it can get a little mind numbing to make sure that a crappy schedule can't be made from those combinations, but .... the flipside is that it gives you an awful lot of flexibility. You can theoretically create cross-class combinations like schedule 3 - where I'm saying "ok im not getting the classes I wanted in schedules 1 and 2, so lets try for a more complex list"...
If you are wondering why the same courses are listed in schedule 1 and schedule 2 and schedule 3... since, after all, if you didnt get them in schedule 1 for 2800 points, why even try for them in schedule 3 for 23? The reason is that you dont know what failed in schedule 1. It could be that I could get 37000-01 for 15 points, but 35005-05 costs 10,000... no point in giving up on 37000-01... of course you dont know that until later, but thats why they repeat.
Anyway, so thats basically the old system. Theres a bit more to it (like how to arb the system, which you can do, with almost no risk... thats going away)...but thats basically it.
The good thing about this old system:
* You could game the system and make points if you knew how. Thats great for the winner.
* It was complex, but you could be very very specific about your schedule while also offering up a LOT of alternates so that you would be sure to get something you wanted.
* You could bid on both evening and day classes.
The bad about the old system:
* Its complex and really really confusing at first.
* People try to game it, and that sucks for the losers.
* Since people bid on a SCHEDULE - prices are hard to estimate... did class X go for 10,000 points because its really that popular or because a lot of people bid on Y as well, which is popular, and X is just common in that schedule? (If you dont get that, dont worry)
* The evening / part time folks could bid on our class schedules at the same time we did, which raised our prices.
The new system works a bit different. Its simpler.
You bid by class. So I say "I'll pay 1000 for X and 5000 for Y". The benefit of course is that you get a bit more granularity in your bidding strategy. (One thing that can happen in the old system is that you bid 2500 for classes X,Y and Z - because you want class X, you get X for 0 points but it turns out Z, which you really didnt care about and wouldn't want to have paid for, goes for 2400...so you get hte class you wanted, but you could have had it for free). So, the new system is a lot easier to understand. Bid X on class A, bid Y on class B, bid Z on class C. If X costs less than A, you get it. If Y costs less than B, you get it. .... In the old system, if X or Y or Z cost more than whatever your bid was, you didnt get anything. So thats good.
The new system does away with arb. Thats either good or bad depending on who you are. (in my case, i arb'd each round and made points, so it hurts me)
Full time students cant bid on evening courses until AFTER the evening students bid. A lot of people are bitching about this, but frankly, the opposite is also true - and thats going to lower the prices of classes at Hyde Park and probably raise prices at gleacher, which I personally think is a good thing.
The new system however has one flaw that pisses me off. In the old system I could tell it specifically I want to take 30000-01 or 30000-02 but not 30000-03 or -04 or -81. In other words I could say "I'm willing to do accounting on monday mornings with prof X or tuesday afternoon with prof Z, but I'm not willing to do it Thursday with prof Z or Friday with prof Y". Note how I can say yes to one section with prof Z, and no to another. The new system only lets you say: Give me any lecture of accounting at this time (with any prof) , or give me any lecture with this prof (at any time), or give me any lecture period (any prof/any period).
Thats not quite the same - if you are paying close attention, you will notice theres no way for me to say accounting with prof Z on Tuesday but NOT on Thursday with Z. Thats not a big deal always, but is a huge !@(#! deal if Prof ABC teaches Thursday afternoon, Tuesday Morning and say, Saturday Morning. I might be indifferent between Tuesday and Thursday - but I'm certainly not indifferent between say Tuesday Thursday and Saturday - even if professor ABC is good!!
I've figured out a workaround for it, but you can really only use the workaround one on class in your schedule. Better than nothing.
The new system also just has some bugs - you cant sort classes by quarter, you really cant filter search results, insanely stupid: you can sort course seat limits on any field except
the most important one: remaining seats!, etc.
So the new system:
+ easier to understand
+ no arb
+ all those part timers who think they are slick by enrolling part time and just taking a full time course load are gonna be really pissed
+ you cant get charged points for a class you wouldnt have wanted to pay for
- flexibility is a little bit more limited, impossible to construct a complex permutation of schedules
- no arb
- you cant bid on evening courses during rounds 1-3, and they will almost certainly fill up
- there is NO point history for the new system
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