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15 Mar 2005, 13:09
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For many travelers, charter vacations often turn out to cost considerably more than they originally seemed.
(A) they originally seemed
(B) they originally seem to
(C) they seemingly would cost originally
(D) it seemed originally
(E) it originally seemed they would

I am going CRAZY with this question, This has been discussed before OA is A, my twisted logic says it is E. My twisted logic is kiiling me, I can't believe how A could be answer when you don't have past future "would" as in E. Please help.

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15 Mar 2005, 13:26
on the test i would have picked (A) by process of elimination.
Here is my reasoning:

D and E are out because chartered vacactions does not agree with "it"
Now we are left with A, B and C.
C is out because it is awkwardly wordy.
Down to A and B...B i would discard because ending a sentence with a preposition is not right and i doubt if the ETS would make that the right answer choice to any of its questions,
Left with A, still awkward but the least of 5 evils.
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15 Mar 2005, 13:35
"A" is best.
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15 Mar 2005, 13:54
A) they originally seemed
correct
(B) they originally seem to
to refers to what?
(C) they seemingly would cost originally
wrong sentence formation
(D) it seemed originally
wrong usage of it
(E) it originally seemed they would
wrong usage of it
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15 Mar 2005, 14:22
praveen_rao7 wrote:
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For many travelers, charter vacations often turn out to cost considerably more than they originally seemed.
(A) they originally seemed
(B) they originally seem to
(C) they seemingly would cost originally
(D) it seemed originally
(E) it originally seemed they would

I am going CRAZY with this question, This has been discussed before OA is A, my twisted logic says it is E. My twisted logic is kiiling me, I can't believe how A could be answer when you don't have past future "would" as in E. Please help.

'IT' in E seems to be a pronoun referring to antecedent 'cost' , but cost is not the subject of the sentence.
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15 Mar 2005, 14:45
ARYAN2007

it in choice C does not refer to cost instead in grammer it is called "empty it" as in example

it's raining outside

it's Friday!

did you do it etc. ?
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16 Mar 2005, 00:26
ARYAN2007 wrote:
praveen_rao7 wrote:
SCROLL to the bottom to See OA

For many travelers, charter vacations often turn out to cost considerably more than they originally seemed.
(A) they originally seemed
(B) they originally seem to
(C) they seemingly would cost originally
(D) it seemed originally
(E) it originally seemed they would

I am going CRAZY with this question, This has been discussed before OA is A, my twisted logic says it is E. My twisted logic is kiiling me, I can't believe how A could be answer when you don't have past future "would" as in E. Please help.

'IT' in E seems to be a pronoun referring to antecedent 'cost' , but cost is not the subject of the sentence.

Hello, 'cost' is not noun, it's verb. So, 'it' definitely cannot refer to 'cost'

By the way, I pick B.

why can we compare two conditions with different verb tense.
I've ever remembered we have discussed another question.
seems like "I am older than you (are)."
The comparison should be the same verb tense. isn't it?
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16 Mar 2005, 03:31
For many travelers, charter vacations often turn out to cost considerably more than they originally seemed.
(A) they originally seemed
(B) they originally seem to
(C) they seemingly would cost originally
(D) it seemed originally
(E) it originally seemed they would

(D) and (E) are out. 'it' is singular and cannot refer to plural noun vacations

(B) 'to' preceding 'seem' is redundnat

Between (A) and (C), I'll go with (A). More concise. The word 'seemingly' makes (C) sound very awkward.
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16 Mar 2005, 06:17
praveen_rao7 wrote:
ARYAN2007

it in choice C does not refer to cost instead in grammer it is called "empty it" as in example

it's raining outside

it's Friday!

did you do it etc. ?

Also as pointed out by Chunjuwu, it clearly shows how weak I am in SC.
Shame on me !!

But good thing is , I am learning..

But I would like you try your twisted-logic on these two pairs of sentences and see what will it lead you to..

A. It is a fact that Praveen works hard.
Praveen works hard.

B. There are people who learn from their mistakes.
People learn from their mistakes.
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16 Mar 2005, 10:11
Paul, Honghu please jump right in, we need you guys here. Thanks
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16 Mar 2005, 11:07
I too immediately eliminated D E for the use of "it" and C for "seemingly".

Between A and B it is very tempting to go with B for the consistency of the verb tenses. However consider this:

I'm now older than I was five years ago.
Five years ago was in the past and therefore past tense is needed even if the main verb is in the present tense.

Same thing with this question. The cost is higher than it was when we originally looked at it. Therefore we would need to choose A for its correct usage of the past tense.

I hope somebody else could comment more on the "empty it" point that praveen raised. Looks to me that it is ok to say this:

"Originally, it seemed that they would cost little."

However, compared to B, E is more wordy and awkward. I am also not sure whether the "that" can be omitted.

Last edited by HongHu on 16 Mar 2005, 11:30, edited 1 time in total.
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16 Mar 2005, 11:15
HongHu wrote:
I too immediately eliminated D E for the use of "it" and C for "seemingly".

Same thing with this question. The cost is higher than it was when we originally looked at it. Therefore we would need to choose B for its correct usage of the past tense.
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I guess u meant "A" not "B", "A" is the one that properly conveys that the price was looked at in the past and they turn out diff later, only "A" conveys that.
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16 Mar 2005, 11:25
I used a simpler sentence to arrive at my choice, (A)

1. The ball costs more than we thought (simple and correct)

2. The ball costs more than we thought it would ('it would', IMO, is not
necessary)
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16 Mar 2005, 11:32
banerjeea_98 wrote:
I guess u meant "A" not "B", "A" is the one that properly conveys that the price was looked at in the past and they turn out diff later, only "A" conveys that.

Yes. Here goes half of my daily quota of two silly mistakes. Post edited. Thanks baner.
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16 Mar 2005, 13:13
This is a good question. Unfortunately, there are two official answer: A and E.

This is the explaination from Erin in TestMagic.com

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This is a good start. For instance, B would need to be in past tense, seemed. In fact, I often teach GMAT and TOEFL students that the words original (and its derivations) and first usually require past tense.

Furthermore, the "past future" of would in E is more precise than the simple past in A (or that B is lacking, in case you're going to ask if B would be correct if we changed seem to seemed). Since we're talking about something we'd learn after a certain point in the past, would is better.

For example:
This Acura is a lot better than I thought it would be.
is better than
This Acura is a lot better than I thought it was.
In the first example, we are saying that something turned out to be true. In the second example, we are saying that we were not aware of a fact that was true at that time.

And in the charter vacations question, there is no fact that the travelers were unaware of when they purchased the charter vacation--after the original purchase of the charter vacation (and probably toward the end of the vacation), the charter vacation turned out to be more costly than they had at first believed it would be.

I would personally go for (E). The usage of "it" is fine. For example:
+ It is OK to get a 100 on the GMAT
+ It is possible to get a 100 on the GMAT
+ It seemed I will get a 100 on the GMAT
....
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