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Re: CR-Diologue (very hard) [#permalink] New post 26 Aug 2010, 12:29
I agree they are consistent because Choi begins with 'All other factors equal...' while Hart is talking about current doctorates where obviously other factors come into play. Therefore, there is no reason to believe they are inconsistent - in reality different factors come into play.
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Re: CR-Diologue (very hard) [#permalink] New post 26 Aug 2010, 18:49
The bottom line is whenever there is a scope shift - both the speakers are not contradicting each other. So they are consistent with each other.
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Re: CR-Diologue (very hard) [#permalink] New post 27 Aug 2010, 04:25
Nice explanation ashah20 :)
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Re: CR-Diologue (very hard) [#permalink] New post 27 Aug 2010, 21:29
I think it is B
Because, if the statement is true, it makes choi's statement fault.

How is the statement consistent with Choi's Claim?
It is "more likelly" v/s stats against "more likely" - Does anybody see consistency here??
Pls, somebody explain..
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Re: CR-Diologue (very hard) [#permalink] New post 28 Aug 2010, 00:42
nusmavrik wrote:
The bottom line is whenever there is a scope shift - both the speakers are not contradicting each other. So they are consistent with each other.

do you have few more questions like this one in your kitty ?

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TOMMY pls explain this ps: CR - are these questions common ? [#permalink] New post 28 Aug 2010, 00:46
perfectstranger wrote:
Choi: All other factors being equal, children whose parents earned doctorates are more likely to earn a doctorate than children whose parents did not earn doctorates.
Hart: But consider this: Over 70 percent of all doctorate holders do not have a parent that also holds a doctorate.

Which of the following is the most accurate evaluation of Hart's reply?

(A) It establishes that Choi's claim is an exaggeration.
(B) If true, it effectively demonstrates that Choi's claim cannot be accurate.
(C) It is consistent with Choi's claim.
(D) It provides alternative reasons for accepting Choi's claim.
(E) It mistakes what is necessary for an event with what is sufficient to determine that the event will occur.

Could you explain in a detailed way please?
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Re: CR-Diologue (very hard) [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2010, 09:12
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Choi: All other factors being equal, children whose parents earned doctorates are more likely to earn a doctorate than children whose parents did not earn doctorates.
Hart: But consider this: Over 70 percent of all doctorate holders do not have a parent that also holds a doctorate.

Which of the following is the most accurate evaluation of Hart's reply?

(A) It establishes that Choi's claim is an exaggeration.
(B) If true, it effectively demonstrates that Choi's claim cannot be accurate.
(C) It is consistent with Choi's claim.
(D) It provides alternative reasons for accepting Choi's claim.
(E) It mistakes what is necessary for an event with what is sufficient to determine that the event will occur.

Could you explain in a detailed way please?


got it completely wrong, thought was B
Kaplan 800 book explains the answer very well....
OA should be C
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Re: CR-Diologue (very hard) [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2010, 11:11
I chose C because they don't conflict each other.
Is it the same with consistent?
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Re: CR-Diologue (very hard) [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2010, 13:52
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Choi: All other factors being equal, children whose parents earned doctorates are more likely to earn a doctorate than children whose parents did not earn doctorates.
Hart: But consider this: Over 70 percent of all doctorate holders do not have a parent that also holds a doctorate.

Which of the following is the most accurate evaluation of Hart's reply?

(A) It establishes that Choi's claim is an exaggeration.
(B) If true, it effectively demonstrates that Choi's claim cannot be accurate.
(C) It is consistent with Choi's claim.
(D) It provides alternative reasons for accepting Choi's claim.
(E) It mistakes what is necessary for an event with what is sufficient to determine that the event will occur.
HI Perfectstranger,

The bolded part is the key. Choi is making a hypothetical statement--if all else is equal, then having parents is an advantage. Hart is making an empirical statement: he is discussing reality, in which all else isn't equal, and so his final results differ. This is entirely consistent with Choi's claim, since Hart is shifting the scope of the discussion from the theoretical to the practical.

Note that, in addition to the scope shift, a number/percent error may be present in Hart's claim. Take a look at ashah20's post for a great explanation. As is often the case on the GMAT, there are multiple ways to get to the correct solution!
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Re: CR-Diologue (very hard) [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2010, 13:58
IMO C
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Re: CR-Diologue (very hard) [#permalink] New post 01 Sep 2010, 01:27
Choi: All other factors being equal, children whose parents earned doctorates are more likely to earn a doctorate than children whose parents did not earn doctorates.
Hart: But consider this: Over 70 percent of all doctorate holders do not have a parent that also holds a doctorate.

Here choi is clearly claim is clear. Now when hart says over 70% doctorate holders do not have a parent that also holds doctorate, means that.... Here is the real magic read on.... means that 30% doctorate holders have parents that holds doctorate... However from the overall population, normally graduation rates are less then 25.... if you just take the ratio... very few people have doctorate... so... he is consistant with Choi's statement

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Re: CR-Diologue (very hard) [#permalink] New post 01 Feb 2011, 16:05
Source of this q: Kaplan Higher Score.
This question is terrible.
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Re: CR-Diologue (very hard) [#permalink] New post 01 Feb 2011, 19:05
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Source of this q: Kaplan Higher Score.
This question is terrible.

Hi Craky,

Sorry this problem is frustrating to you--but I think I did a fair job of explaining why the correct answer is correct! Can you explain what the confusion is about this question?

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Re: CR-Diologue (very hard) [#permalink] New post 02 Feb 2011, 01:31
Hi Eli,

thank you for reply. It´s no good to try to solve CR questions in 2a.m..
Anyway, now in the morning I realized a little difference, which I did not see before.

When reading the above question, it is quite obvious that the aswer should be B.

However, the question I tried to solve in Kaplan yesterdey is:

Which of the following would explain how both Hart and Choi could be correct in their assertions?

Answer (B): Parental education is rarely the overriding factor in determining whether a person earns doctorate or not.


This one caused my confusion. Could you please comment on that?






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This question is terrible.

Hi Craky,

Sorry this problem is frustrating to you--but I think I did a fair job of explaining why the correct answer is correct! Can you explain what the confusion is about this question?

Thanks!

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Re: CR-Diologue (very hard) [#permalink] New post 02 Feb 2011, 08:16
C as nusmavrik said, both speakers are not contradicting each other.
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Re: CR-Diologue (very hard) [#permalink] New post 02 Feb 2011, 11:33
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Craky,

We occasionally re-use the same CR stimulus with a different question. The GMAT does this as well, albeit rarely, so we think it's best to give students practice focusing on different ways of analyzing the same prompt. Unfortunately, it sounds like you're getting mixed up between the questions--sorry for the confusion!

That said, the version of the question you are getting stuck on is definitely a high-difficulty problem. I posted an explanation here:
cr-from-kaplan-test-94716.html
Take a look at my reasoning there, so I don't clog the forum with reposts; if you're still having trouble, let me know and I'll do my best to clarify.

Good luck!
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Re: CR-Diologue (very hard) [#permalink] New post 01 Sep 2011, 11:38
Tough one. Liked ashah20 and KapTeacherEli explainations.
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Re: CR-Diologue (very hard) [#permalink] New post 02 Sep 2011, 07:40
i can say it was hard Question.. after reading everyone explanation., I also agree to C

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Re: CR-Diologue (very hard) [#permalink] New post 02 Sep 2011, 08:00
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Choi: All other factors being equal, children whose parents earned doctorates are more likely to earn a doctorate than children whose parents did not earn doctorates.
Hart: But consider this: Over 70 percent of all doctorate holders do not have a parent that also holds a doctorate.

Which of the following is the most accurate evaluation of Hart's reply?

(A) It establishes that Choi's claim is an exaggeration.
(B) If true, it effectively demonstrates that Choi's claim cannot be accurate.
(C) It is consistent with Choi's claim.
(D) It provides alternative reasons for accepting Choi's claim.
(E) It mistakes what is necessary for an event with what is sufficient to determine that the event will occur.

Could you explain in a detailed way please?


So, Why other Options are Wrong? Can you please post the official Explanation?
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Re: CR-Diologue (very hard) [#permalink] New post 03 Sep 2011, 07:59
A really weird question all-in-all.

There likely won't be an official explanation, since it is from 1000 CR.
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