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Columbia vs. Kellogg for general management [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2014, 13:03
First, thanks to everyone on this board -- you've been an amazing resource through this process and I'm hoping you can get me over the last hurdle.

I've been accepted to both Columbia and Kellogg (no finaid offer at either yet, so let's consider that a non-factor). I'm based in NYC, where my family lives and my spouse has a job, so my preference is to stay put. And, from my small sample size, the Columbia brand seems marginally stronger than Kellogg's on the East Coast (although would like feedback on this!).

There are two concerns that are holding me back from saying yes to CBS:

1. I currently work in consulting, but I'd like to go in-house and do general management at a tech or energy company. Finance and consulting take nearly 3/4 of the class at Columbia, and I'm concerned I'll be limited in terms of recruiters, resources, and classmates aligned with my interests outside of this space. 11% of the class at Kellogg goes to general mgmt, and it seems generally more connected to the tech industry. Raw numbers are only a part of the picture, but I'm interested if anyone can comment on support at CBS for other industries/functions, particularly at large corporates.

2. The Kellogg community seems amazing, but I've heard less about the community at CBS. Any CBS'ers or applicants care to share their experience?
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Re: Columbia vs. Kellogg for general management [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2014, 13:26
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First, thanks to everyone on this board -- you've been an amazing resource through this process and I'm hoping you can get me over the last hurdle.

I've been accepted to both Columbia and Kellogg (no finaid offer at either yet, so let's consider that a non-factor). I'm based in NYC, where my family lives and my spouse has a job, so my preference is to stay put. And, from my small sample size, the Columbia brand seems marginally stronger than Kellogg's on the East Coast (although would like feedback on this!).

There are two concerns that are holding me back from saying yes to CBS:

1. I currently work in consulting, but I'd like to go in-house and do general management at a tech or energy company. Finance and consulting take nearly 3/4 of the class at Columbia, and I'm concerned I'll be limited in terms of recruiters, resources, and classmates aligned with my interests outside of this space. 11% of the class at Kellogg goes to general mgmt, and it seems generally more connected to the tech industry. Raw numbers are only a part of the picture, but I'm interested if anyone can comment on support at CBS for other industries/functions, particularly at large corporates.

2. The Kellogg community seems amazing, but I've heard less about the community at CBS. Any CBS'ers or applicants care to share their experience?


I think there are some other considerations here. You will get the same general management experience for the most part at either school. Kellogg has a better reputation for it. CBS is a lot of people from NYC and have heard/seen that the community is really lacking. Lacking in the sense a lot of people live all over NYC Hoboken to the UES and really more of a commuter feel. That being said there are pockets of students and clubs that you get a lot of community in.

Questions would be what does your wife think about moving? Family as well.
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Re: Columbia vs. Kellogg for general management [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2014, 13:48
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Kellogg is better ranked overall, better for management, stronger network, and will be about $10-20k cheaper all in. Everyone I spoke to in NYC while applying views Kellogg as better than Columbia - so I'd disagree Columbia has a better east coast reputation. Infact, Columbia seems to have a WORSE reputation in new york...most people seem to consider it "the school for people who can't get into Wharton."

That said, Columbia is a M7 school, and is certainly a great school, so it might be worth choosing for your spouses sake.
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Re: Columbia vs. Kellogg for general management [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2014, 14:26
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The question is what kind of company you want to work for in general management? Corporate recruiting is very diverse, and the opportunities available at each school are very different. A better ranked school does not necessarily translate into easier shot at a corporate job for a specific company/industry.

In general if you want to stay in NYC for school and work, I do not see any obstacles in landing a job in general management.
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Re: Columbia vs. Kellogg for general management [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2014, 10:14
just saying, the two people voting for Kellogg are both Kellogg admits and one of them dinged by Columbia...just saying.

and the part that 'Columbia has more of a commuter feel', is not true. I've met some of the most passionate and supportive students/staff at Columbia.
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Re: Columbia vs. Kellogg for general management [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2014, 11:43
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just saying, the two people voting for Kellogg are both Kellogg admits and one of them dinged by Columbia...just saying.

and the part that 'Columbia has more of a commuter feel', is not true. I've met some of the most passionate and supportive students/staff at Columbia.


Everyone's perception is different. I had 4 good friends go to CBS while I was in NYC and they all said the same thing. It was not a great student body overall, they had a nice time with the clubs and activities they got involved in, but at the end of the day they all continued to spend more time with our group of friends than their b-school folks. It may be an out lier case, but that is what I have seen from personal experience.

You will get passionate/helpful people where ever you go, it just comes down to the right fit. Fit being broadly defined including job, student body, clubs, experiences, etc.

Zurich--Where are you headed?
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Re: Columbia vs. Kellogg for general management [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2014, 11:50
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just saying, the two people voting for Kellogg are both Kellogg admits and one of them dinged by Columbia...just saying.

and the part that 'Columbia has more of a commuter feel', is not true. I've met some of the most passionate and supportive students/staff at Columbia.


Everyone's perception is different. I had 4 good friends go to CBS while I was in NYC and they all said the same thing. It was not a great student body overall, they had a nice time with the clubs and activities they got involved in, but at the end of the day they all continued to spend more time with our group of friends than their b-school folks. It may be an out lier case, but that is what I have seen from personal experience.

You will get passionate/helpful people where ever you go, it just comes down to the right fit. Fit being broadly defined including job, student body, clubs, experiences, etc.

Zurich--Where are you headed?


Hi goalieman, CBS actually, my decision was mostly based on location ;) Hopefully it will all work out fine!
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Re: Columbia vs. Kellogg for general management [#permalink] New post 24 Apr 2014, 20:26
Hey guys, might be a little late chiming here, but just came across this so thought I'd put in my 2 cents. I'm a first year at CBS.

Jambi, congrats, tough decision! I would say your best bet is to talk to students in the general management club at both schools. No one can really give you insight into the school other than current students, even alums are a little out of touch since different companies may recruit etc. I recruited for marketing at CBS, so wasn't looking to do consulting or finance and there were plenty of people with similar goals to me. Obviously less than at a Kellogg, but I thought this was a plus because I felt like it allowed me to stand out a little more with recruiters. I have many friends going to work at companies like Google, Apple, LinkedIn, etc. techy type companies and I know quite a few people interested in Energy, so I'm sure there are opportunities. I would reach out to the Energy and Tech clubs as well.

Just a note on the community, the CBS community has exceeded all of my expectations. It is really tight knit. We may not all live near each other, but since we don't live right on campus, that means we spend all day there vs. going home to our respective apartments. I was from NYC before school and I can tell you I've seen my friends twice since starting school in August. Most people prioritize bschool stuff, we all know we are only here for two years and they go by FAST!

I'm only speaking to CBS here because that is the school I have experience with. If you have any questions feel free to PM me. Good luck!
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Re: Columbia vs. Kellogg for general management [#permalink] New post 24 Apr 2014, 21:08
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Everyone I spoke to in NYC while applying views Kellogg as better than Columbia - so I'd disagree Columbia has a better east coast reputation. In fact, Columbia seems to have a WORSE reputation in new york...most people seem to consider it "the school for people who can't get into Wharton.


mgg234 - you're far too intelligent (and now an "Expert" on this forum?) to make such an egregiously biased comment like this - it doesn't help anyone and doesn't add to your credibility (especially because you were dinged by CBS...). You know that Kellogg isn't unilaterally better than Columbia (and Columbia isn't unequivocally better than Kellogg). The two programs (as do each of the M7s) both have their own competitive advantages - Kellogg is superior in marketing (and in fact the best in this field), but Columbia is vastly superior in the upper echelons of finance (Columbia has a stronger presence than Kellogg in the most elite private equity positions and across various hedge funds, primarily due to its Value Investing Program). An applicant would choose Kellogg for marketing and Columbia for finance. One's not better than the other.

Also, your statement on the fact that Columbia is for those who don't get into Wharton is also blatantly false - I got into Wharton and Columbia (my dad's even a Penn alumnus and pushed hard for W) but I ended up choosing Columbia because I want to enter the world of hedge funds. A previous poster, zurichs, apparently also got into Wharton but chose Columbia over W. So that makes two of us in this extremely small sample size. Ultimately, there is cross-pollination across all of the M7s outside of Harvard + Stanford.

As for the original poster's inquiry, I think Kellogg and Columbia would place equally well in tech roles. I personally have undergraduate classmates at both schools who are interning at Google & Amazon and I don't think one has an advantage over the other. However, if your goal is getting any general management position, Kellogg may place better simply due to location in the midwest. I cover Industrials clients in investment banking and a lot of our clients are based in the midwest (Deere, Honeywell, etc) and I would imagine there is a greater concentration of F500 clients based there for typical leadership development programs. I may be completely off base though so as a previous poster noted, definitely reach out to current students at both schools.

Lastly, I personally found the CBS community to be incredibly inclusive and awesome. The school openly acknowledges that its culture was maybe a bit spread-out and not as cohesive 3-4 years back, but the school's administration is smart and has tried extremely hard to address this. 1) a cluster system with small learning teams with whom you spend a LOT of time for your core curriculum 2) new $600MM building arriving in next 3-4 years (fueled off the $100mm donation from Kravis and $100mm donation from Perelman) and the larger new $7.0BN Manhattanville campus in the next 5-7 years that is supposed to bring a new med school campus, new SIPA campus (as well as other schools) and a lot of brainpower concentrated in one area so that there can be interdisciplinary research + interaction
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Re: Columbia vs. Kellogg for general management [#permalink] New post 14 Jun 2014, 18:12
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Columbia vs. Kellogg for general management [#permalink] New post 19 Jun 2014, 19:55
@ak1802 - you know nothing Jon Snow ;). For GM they both place well but Kellogg probably has the edge nationally (not internationally). I'd give Kellogg a slight nod in Tech and Energy, but only because a higher percentage of their class is interested (you can place from either school easily - I did for VC in energy tech, and also had offers from tech companies and energy business management roles pretty easily). The community knock on CBS isn't real - we just don't live in a suburb without much else around so yes there are a lot of fun things to try out not at school and you don't spend as much time insulated on campus in negative temperature. Internationally and in non-GM/Marketing roles, CBS seems to have a slight edge.

Overall rankings etc. schools will bounce around a bit. Both schools have a ranking boosts in their future simply by virtue of a new campus and "new outlook!" (thanks Booth, way to kick off a spending trend on useless sh*t), it won't change anything really - each presents a fantastic avenue, and I've found that there really is a unique advantage to being in NYC in terms of access. I chose CBS over Kellogg pretty much for that reason - in the end I knew my experience while in school would be stronger in that city with that network.

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Re: Columbia vs. Kellogg for general management [#permalink] New post 19 Jun 2014, 23:03
Columbia is Columbia. Go for it!
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Re: Columbia vs. Kellogg for general management [#permalink] New post 23 Jun 2014, 05:48
Kellogg will give you a better General Management education and Columbia will give you better access to General Management jobs (less competition, diversity at firms).
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Re: Columbia vs. Kellogg for general management [#permalink] New post 27 Jun 2014, 04:36
I am a graduate of the University of Chicago MBA program. I also attended Northwestern U as an undergrad. I love both schools. Since I work in finance and accounting, Chicago was the right MBA program for me. I believe that the Chicago program is more academically rigourous, based on discussions with professors who have taught at both schools.

I would like to point out that UofC probably has a higher acceptance rate because their application is self selecting. In other words, the application is so demanding that people who aren't really interested aren't going to fill it out.
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