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On January 1, 2076, Lake Loser contains x liters of water. By Dec 31 of that same year, 2/7 of the x liters have evaporated. This pattern continues such that by the end of each subsequent year the lake has lost 2/7 of the water that it contained at the beginning of that year. During which year will the water in the lake be reduced to less than 1/4 of the original x liters?

2077
2078
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2080
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x*(5/7)^n<x/4;
(5/7)^n<1/4 --> n=5 --> 2076+5=2081, so it is reduced during 2080
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Can you expalin a little more briefly.

My question is Why did u take a Compound Interest and not an SI.

As i see the amount is going by a constant value each year.

decrease % = 2/7x / x *100 = 200/7

A = P + S.I

1/4x = x + S.I so S.I = -3x /4

-3x/4 = (x * 200/7 * n ) / 100


n = -21 / 8 = 2.625

So i thought C was the answer.
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The difference is not constant because it is 2/7 of whatever is left. And "whatever is left" is varying at the end of each year.
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It must be:

x*(5/7)^n<x/4;
(5/7)^n<1/4 --> n=5 --> 2076+5=2081, so it is reduced during 2080

How did you get n=5 ?
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It must be:

x*(5/7)^n<x/4;
(5/7)^n<1/4 --> n=5 --> 2076+5=2081, so it is reduced during 2080

How did you get n=5 ?


Concur with Economist, how did you get that n=5?
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x*(5/7)^n<x/4;
(5/7)^n<1/4 --> n=5 --> 2076+5=2081, so it is reduced during 2080

How did you get n=5 ?


Concur with Economist, how did you get that n=5?


Testing numbers for n.
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this problem involves a lot of computations and it definitely takes more than 2 mins to solve. we need to find (5/7)^n<1/4, so every time we add one more year we need to compare this number with 1/4 and find a common denominator. so at the end we have to when 5^n*4<7^n.
I don't think GMAT requires to remember what 7^(3,4, or 5) is. May be there is an easier way to solve this problem? Anyone?
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I did it the following way

We have that 1 - (2/7)^n >3/4

Therefore, n hast to be at least >=3, in order for the fractions of the remaining water to be higher than 3/4

Thus I got C as the correct answer choice

Unless I may be wrong in any of the arithmetic which would surprise me :)

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jlgdr wrote:
I did it the following way

We have that 1 - (2/7)^n >3/4

Therefore, n hast to be at least >=3, in order for the fractions of the remaining water to be higher than 3/4

Thus I got C as the correct answer choice

Unless I may be wrong in any of the arithmetic which would surprise me :)

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On January 1, 2076, Lake Loser contains x liters of water. By Dec 31 of that same year, 2/7 of the x liters have evaporated. This pattern continues such that by the end of each subsequent year the lake has lost 2/7 of the water that it contained at the beginning of that year. During which year will the water in the lake be reduced to less than 1/4 of the original x liters?

A. 2077
B. 2078
C. 2079
D. 2080
E. 2081

Each year 2/7 of the water evaporates, thus after each year 5/7 of the water remains compared to previous year. So:

By the end of 2076: \(\frac{5}{7}*x\) liters of water will be left;
By the end of 2077: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x=\frac{25}{49}*x\approx{\frac{1}{2}*x}\) liters of water will be left;
By the end of 2078: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x=\frac{125}{343}*x\approx{\frac{1}{3}*x}\) liters of water will be left;
By the end of 2079: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x=\frac{625}{2401}*x\approx{\frac{1}{4}*x}\) liters of water will be left (still a bit more than 1/4);
By the end of 2080: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x\) liters of water will be left (this must be less than 1/4 since the previous one was just a bit more);
....

Basically after n evaporation the amount of water left is \((\frac{5}{7})^n*x\). Thus the question asks to find the smallest n for which \((\frac{5}{7)}^n*x<\frac{x}{4}\).

Answer: D.

Hope it helps.


Hi Bunell,

If i do this by A.P. , then a(n)=(1/4)x , a1=x and d=-(2/7)x

hence an=a+(n-1)d and on solving i get n=3.6.

So shouldn't be the answer C as the 3rd year is still going on i.e. in the .6 part of the 3rd year, we will get 1/4th of x , hence in 2079 post .6, we will have the water level reduced
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Bunuel wrote:
jlgdr wrote:
I did it the following way

We have that 1 - (2/7)^n >3/4

Therefore, n hast to be at least >=3, in order for the fractions of the remaining water to be higher than 3/4

Thus I got C as the correct answer choice

Unless I may be wrong in any of the arithmetic which would surprise me :)

Cheers
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On January 1, 2076, Lake Loser contains x liters of water. By Dec 31 of that same year, 2/7 of the x liters have evaporated. This pattern continues such that by the end of each subsequent year the lake has lost 2/7 of the water that it contained at the beginning of that year. During which year will the water in the lake be reduced to less than 1/4 of the original x liters?

A. 2077
B. 2078
C. 2079
D. 2080
E. 2081

Each year 2/7 of the water evaporates, thus after each year 5/7 of the water remains compared to previous year. So:

By the end of 2076: \(\frac{5}{7}*x\) liters of water will be left;
By the end of 2077: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x=\frac{25}{49}*x\approx{\frac{1}{2}*x}\) liters of water will be left;
By the end of 2078: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x=\frac{125}{343}*x\approx{\frac{1}{3}*x}\) liters of water will be left;
By the end of 2079: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x=\frac{625}{2401}*x\approx{\frac{1}{4}*x}\) liters of water will be left (still a bit more than 1/4);
By the end of 2080: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x\) liters of water will be left (this must be less than 1/4 since the previous one was just a bit more);
....

Basically after n evaporation the amount of water left is \((\frac{5}{7})^n*x\). Thus the question asks to find the smallest n for which \((\frac{5}{7)}^n*x<\frac{x}{4}\).

Answer: D.

Hope it helps.


Hi Bunell,

If i do this by A.P. , then a(n)=(1/4)x , a1=x and d=-(2/7)x

hence an=a+(n-1)d and on solving i get n=3.6.

So shouldn't be the answer C as the 3rd year is still going on i.e. in the .6 part of the 3rd year, we will get 1/4th of x , hence in 2079 post .6, we will have the water level reduced


We have there a geometric progression not an arithmetic progression.
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Bunuel wrote:
jlgdr wrote:
I did it the following way

We have that 1 - (2/7)^n >3/4

Therefore, n hast to be at least >=3, in order for the fractions of the remaining water to be higher than 3/4

Thus I got C as the correct answer choice

Unless I may be wrong in any of the arithmetic which would surprise me :)

Cheers
J :)


On January 1, 2076, Lake Loser contains x liters of water. By Dec 31 of that same year, 2/7 of the x liters have evaporated. This pattern continues such that by the end of each subsequent year the lake has lost 2/7 of the water that it contained at the beginning of that year. During which year will the water in the lake be reduced to less than 1/4 of the original x liters?

A. 2077
B. 2078
C. 2079
D. 2080
E. 2081

Each year 2/7 of the water evaporates, thus after each year 5/7 of the water remains compared to previous year. So:

By the end of 2076: \(\frac{5}{7}*x\) liters of water will be left;
By the end of 2077: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x=\frac{25}{49}*x\approx{\frac{1}{2}*x}\) liters of water will be left;
By the end of 2078: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x=\frac{125}{343}*x\approx{\frac{1}{3}*x}\) liters of water will be left;
By the end of 2079: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x=\frac{625}{2401}*x\approx{\frac{1}{4}*x}\) liters of water will be left (still a bit more than 1/4);
By the end of 2080: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x\) liters of water will be left (this must be less than 1/4 since the previous one was just a bit more);
....

Basically after n evaporation the amount of water left is \((\frac{5}{7})^n*x\). Thus the question asks to find the smallest n for which \((\frac{5}{7})^n*x<\frac{x}{4}\).

Answer: D.

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Love that approach but I don't know why can we do this. Can someone explain why this is working?
I did it tediously with the following approach: 5/7 - (5/7)*(2/7) = 25/49
25/49 - (25/49)*(2/7) = 125/343
etc.

I mean we always have to subtract 2/7 of the water remaining. If we always multipy with (5/7), why does this operation give us the same result?

Thanks for all the help.
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Bunuel wrote:
jlgdr wrote:
I did it the following way

We have that 1 - (2/7)^n >3/4

Therefore, n hast to be at least >=3, in order for the fractions of the remaining water to be higher than 3/4

Thus I got C as the correct answer choice

Unless I may be wrong in any of the arithmetic which would surprise me :)

Cheers
J :)


On January 1, 2076, Lake Loser contains x liters of water. By Dec 31 of that same year, 2/7 of the x liters have evaporated. This pattern continues such that by the end of each subsequent year the lake has lost 2/7 of the water that it contained at the beginning of that year. During which year will the water in the lake be reduced to less than 1/4 of the original x liters?

A. 2077
B. 2078
C. 2079
D. 2080
E. 2081

Each year 2/7 of the water evaporates, thus after each year 5/7 of the water remains compared to previous year. So:

By the end of 2076: \(\frac{5}{7}*x\) liters of water will be left;
By the end of 2077: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x=\frac{25}{49}*x\approx{\frac{1}{2}*x}\) liters of water will be left;
By the end of 2078: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x=\frac{125}{343}*x\approx{\frac{1}{3}*x}\) liters of water will be left;
By the end of 2079: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x=\frac{625}{2401}*x\approx{\frac{1}{4}*x}\) liters of water will be left (still a bit more than 1/4);
By the end of 2080: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x\) liters of water will be left (this must be less than 1/4 since the previous one was just a bit more);
....

Basically after n evaporation the amount of water left is \((\frac{5}{7})^n*x\). Thus the question asks to find the smallest n for which \((\frac{5}{7})^n*x<\frac{x}{4}\).

Answer: D.

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if-1-2-of-the-air-in-a-tank-is-removed-with-each-stroke-of-a-114943.html

Hope it helps.


Love that approach but I don't know why can we do this. Can someone explain why this is working?
I did it tediously with the following approach: 5/7 - (5/7)*(2/7) = 25/49
25/49 - (25/49)*(2/7) = 125/343
etc.

I mean we always have to subtract 2/7 of the water remaining. If we always multipy with (5/7), why does this operation give us the same result?

Thanks for all the help.


x - 2/7*x = 5/7*x.

5/7*x - 2/7*(5/7*x) = 5/7*x(1 - 2/7) = 5/7*5/7*x;

5/7*5/7*x - 2/7*(5/7*5/7*x;) = 5/7*5/7*x(1 - 2/7) = 5/7*5/7*5/7*x;
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Its easier to choose a smart number. since we have 4 and 7 in denominator so lets choose 28 as a value for x.

so lets quarter of that is 7.
2076 -> water evaporates from 28 ---> 5/7*28 => 20
2078 -> 20*5/7 => 100/7 => ~14....
2079 -> 14*5/7 ==> 10...
2080 -> 10*5/7 => <7 so the correct answer is D.

Answer: D

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On January 1, 2076, Lake Loser contains x liters of water. By Dec 31 of that same year, 2/7 of the x liters have evaporated. This pattern continues such that by the end of each subsequent year the lake has lost 2/7 of the water that it contained at the beginning of that year. During which year will the water in the lake be reduced to less than 1/4 of the original x liters?

A. 2077
B. 2078
C. 2079
D. 2080
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I've solved this one, actually it's not a complex one, it just requires a great amount od calculations.... --> It's not GMAT like for me, each GMAT problem can be solved faster if you identify a right path...
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By the end of 2076: \(\frac{5}{7}*x\) liters of water will be left;
By the end of 2077: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x=\frac{25}{49}*x\approx{\frac{1}{2}*x}\) liters of water will be left;
By the end of 2078: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x=\frac{125}{343}*x\approx{\frac{1}{3}*x}\) liters of water will be left;
By the end of 2079: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x=\frac{625}{2401}*x\approx{\frac{1}{4}*x}\) liters of water will be left (still a bit more than 1/4);
By the end of 2080: \(\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*\frac{5}{7}*x\) liters of water will be left (this must be less than 1/4 since the previous one was just a bit more);
....

Basically after n evaporation the amount of water left is \((\frac{5}{7})^n*x\). Thus the question asks to find the smallest n for which \((\frac{5}{7})^n*x<\frac{x}{4}\).

Answer: D.


Very good and thorough explanation.

Realistically speaking this is a v. tough question and very few would solve it under real testing conditions... (who knows you might be one of them)...

Key things that you need to understand and derive [

1) \((\frac{5}{7})^n*x<\frac{x}{4}\)

2) All the approximations for the fractions + powers of 5

If you cannot see relatively easily 1) and 2) you wasted your time unfortunately
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On January 1, 2076, Lake Loser contains x liters of water. By Dec 31 of that same year, 2/7 of the x liters have evaporated. This pattern continues such that by the end of each subsequent year the lake has lost 2/7 of the water that it contained at the beginning of that year. During which year will the water in the lake be reduced to less than 1/4 of the original x liters?

A. 2077
B. 2078
C. 2079
D. 2080
E. 2081


Since the lake loses 2/7 of its water, we see that it retains 5/7 of its water. We can keep track of the fraction of x liters of water left in the lake as follows:

End of 2076 (or Beginning of 2077): 5/7 ≈ 71.4%

End of 2077 (or Beginning of 2078): 5/7 x 5/7 = 25/49 ≈ 51.0%

End of 2078 (or Beginning of 2079): 25/49 x 5/7 = 125/343 ≈ 36.4%

End of 2079 (or Beginning of 2080): 125/343 x 5/7 = 625/2401 ≈ 26.0%

End of 2080 (or Beginning of 2081): 625/2401 x 5/7 = 3125/16,807 ≈ 18.6%

We see that at the beginning of 2080, the lake has approximately 26.0% of the original x liters, but at the end of the same year, it has approx 18.6%; therefore, the lake must have been reduced to less than ¼ of the original x liters at some point in 2080.

Answer: D
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