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Confusing MGMAT quant problem on Number Properties [#permalink] New post 28 Jul 2011, 17:29
HI everyone. I'm very very very new to this forum. I am studying for the GMAT and started with the MGMAT books. I'm doing Number Properties right now. There's a question in their first chapter that goes like this:

Is x divisible by 120?
(1) x is divisible by 12
(2) x is divisible by 30

So I drew the prime boxes for 12 and 30, and obtained, correctly that 12's prime factors are 2,2,3 and 30's prime factors are 2, 3, 5. Then, I constructed the prime box for x as 2, 2, 5.... Notice that I did not include another 2 because it is redundant. I applied the same logic to not including the 3, since it appeared in both prime boxes. I did get the right answer, i.e., (E) cannot be determined, but apparently for the wrong reasons, which frighten me.

According to the MGMAT answer key, the prime box for x SHOULD contain the 3. In other words, the prime box for x should be: 2, 2, 3, 5.

My question is, if a 2 is considered redundant (as the MGMAT answer key reminds you), then why wouldn't this apply to other numbers that appear in both prime boxes as well, i.e., the number 3 appears as a factor of both 12 and 30.

Thank you very much for your time.
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Re: Confusing MGMAT quant problem on Number Properties [#permalink] New post 28 Jul 2011, 19:31
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So I drew the prime boxes for 12 and 30, and obtained, correctly that 12's prime factors are 2,2,3 and 30's prime factors are 2, 3, 5. Then, I constructed the prime box for x as 2, 2, 5.... Notice that I did not include another 2 because it is redundant. I applied the same logic to not including the 3, since it appeared in both prime boxes. I did get the right answer, i.e., (E) cannot be determined, but apparently for the wrong reasons, which frighten me.

According to the MGMAT answer key, the prime box for x SHOULD contain the 3. In other words, the prime box for x should be: 2, 2, 3, 5.


It is not redundant. Think of it like this.

Is x divisible by 4?

x = 2 <---- no
x = 2*2 <---- yes

Clearly we need to know the number of twos to answer this question.

To know that x is divisible by 120, it must have 2,2,2,3,5 as its prime factors (at a minimum). If it has only one 2, then it will not be divisible by 120.

Now on the other hand, we are told through 1) and 2) that x is divisible by 12 and 30. The most information we can glean from this is that

x = 2,2,3,5

Note that when we do THIS, we don't just lump all factors from 1) and 2) and get

x = 2,2,2,3,3,5

This is because we could have 'seen' the some number twice. Consider

x = 60 = 2*3*5*2

This is divisible by 1) and 2), yet is not divisible by 120...
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Re: Confusing MGMAT quant problem on Number Properties [#permalink] New post 29 Jul 2011, 03:02
good explanation, regards
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Re: Confusing MGMAT quant problem on Number Properties [#permalink] New post 01 Aug 2011, 00:47
Let us take A. first :
divisible by 12: numbers divisible by 12 are 12,24,36,48...... 120.....

hence A alone not sufficient. since we have numbers less than 120 divisible by 12

Let us take B.
divisible by 30: numbers divisible by 30 are 30,60,90,120....

Hence B alone is not sufficient. Since we have numbers less than 120 divisible by 30

Let us combine : We have number divisible by 12 and 30 :
to find combined divisibility we take LCM. LCM of 12 and 30 can be found by reducing each number to its prime factors

12 : 2*3*2
30: 2*3*5

Now LCM can be obtained by taking highest powers of each prime factor and multiplying them 2^2*3^1*5^1 i.e 2*2*3*5 = 60

This number is also not divisible by 120.

Hence option E. We need more data and both together are in sufficient.
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Re: Confusing MGMAT quant problem on Number Properties [#permalink] New post 11 Aug 2011, 15:29
Dear pike and raghava747: THANK YOU SO MUCH for your explanations. I am SO SORRY it took me so long to respond, but I'm living in an island in the Caribbean with haphazard electricity AND spotty internet service. I finally understood that the 3 could have been seen twice and hence; the option is E. Thank you very very much again. I really really appreciate it.
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