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Contemporary accounts of the life of Charlemagne, crowned emperor by the pope in 800, show that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate driven by his desire for a civilized state to reform education in his kingdom.
a) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate driven by his desire
b) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature as well as in the arts was himself an illiterate and also driven by his desire
c) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate and that he was driven by his desire
d) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature as well as in the arts was himself an illiterate and that he was driven by his desire
e) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate and that his desire drove him
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Re: Charlmagne [#permalink] New post 24 Sep 2010, 22:53
I went for C....A did seem right but I don't know why exactly is "and that he was" in C incorrect. Is it because its wordy??
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Re: Charlmagne [#permalink] New post 24 Sep 2010, 23:15
I wasn't convinced with the explanation. I want to get few more opinions.
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Re: Charlmagne [#permalink] New post 24 Sep 2010, 23:50
Contemporary accounts of the life of Charlemagne, crowned emperor by the pope in 800, show that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate driven by his desire for a civilized state to reform education in his kingdom.
a) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate driven by his desire
b) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature as well as in the arts was himself an illiterate and also driven by his desire
c) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate and that he was driven by his desire
d) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature as well as in the arts was himself an illiterate and that he was driven by his desire
e) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate and that his desire drove him

Options B and E are out because 'and' conjunction is better than 'as well as'.
A is incorrect . That is missing in the sentence. Contemporary accounts show that "Clause 1" and that "Clause 2".

Between C & D 'driven by his desire' sounds better than 'desire drove him'.
Hence Option C is correct.
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Re: Charlmagne [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2010, 02:25
C looks to be perfect ... what is the source of this question ? thanx
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Re: Charlmagne [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2010, 08:29
my pick is C too. I am surprised with OA as A.
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Re: Charlmagne [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2010, 17:46
Is there an official explanation? I was convinced that "and that he was" is correct.
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Re: Charlmagne [#permalink] New post 26 Sep 2010, 02:00
I picked D but on contemplating a bit more I think it should be A
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Re: Charlmagne [#permalink] New post 26 Sep 2010, 09:02
Contemporary accounts of the life of Charlemagne, crowned emperor by the pope in 800, show that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate driven by his desire for a civilized state to reform education in his kingdom.


Contemporary accounts of X, Y, show that <clause>the founder of Z was himself an illiterate driven by W. - correct


Option- C

Contemporary accounts of the life of Charlemagne, crowned emperor by the pope in 800, show that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate and that he was driven by his desire for a civilized state to reform education in his kingdom.

Contemporary accounts of X, Y, show that <clause> and that <clause>. The intended meaning in A is that the Contemporary accounts show that the founder was an illetrate where as in C Cont. accounts show that he was a founder AND he was an illiterate



Please correct me if my reasoning is wrong. You can also notice that all choices except A uses "and"
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Re: Charlmagne [#permalink] New post 26 Sep 2010, 09:14
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Why is D incorrect ?


Let me try to explain between A and D

a) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate driven by his desire
c) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate and that he was driven by his desire
d) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature as well as in the arts was himself an illiterate and that he was driven by his desire

D === the answer choice uses " as well as " , as well as can be used in place of and , but it is ideally used for not only..... but also, and should not be replace AND if not necessary, apart from that the later part of the sentence is wordy == AND THAT HE WAS

A=== flawless and best option available with brevity in place

Driven is used as past participle, and we avoid being passive as far as possible.
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Re: Charlmagne [#permalink] New post 26 Sep 2010, 09:26
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dokiyoki wrote:
Why is D incorrect ?


Let me try to explain between A and D

a) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate driven by his desire
c) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate and that he was driven by his desire
d) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature as well as in the arts was himself an illiterate and that he was driven by his desire

D === the answer choice uses " as well as " , as well as can be used in place of and , but it is ideally used for not only..... but also, and should not be replace AND if not necessary, apart from that the later part of the sentence is wordy == AND THAT HE WAS

A=== flawless and best option available with brevity in place

Driven is used as past participle, and we avoid being passive as far as possible.


I disagree that as well as can be used in place of and . as well as will make subject singular while usage of And will make subject plural. in the above case it does not matter much whether And is used or as well as is used as both are used in a prepositional phrase and subject in this instance is "founder"
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Re: Charlmagne [#permalink] New post 26 Sep 2010, 09:48
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hirendhanak wrote:
dokiyoki wrote:
Why is D incorrect ?


Let me try to explain between A and D

a) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate driven by his desire
c) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate and that he was driven by his desire
d) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature as well as in the arts was himself an illiterate and that he was driven by his desire

D === the answer choice uses " as well as " , as well as can be used in place of and , but it is ideally used for not only..... but also, and should not be replace AND if not necessary, apart from that the later part of the sentence is wordy == AND THAT HE WAS

A=== flawless and best option available with brevity in place

Driven is used as past participle, and we avoid being passive as far as possible.


I disagree that as well as can be used in place of and . as well as will make subject singular while usage of And will make subject plural. in the above case it does not matter much whether And is used or as well as is used as both are used in a prepositional phrase and subject in this instance is "founder"


@ichaa118

I truelly agree with your point , that two nouns joined by AND make it plural , i just referred to as well as vs. and with reference to the given prob only.

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Re: Charlmagne [#permalink] New post 26 Sep 2010, 11:09
Contemporary accounts of the life of Charlemagne, crowned emperor by the pope in 800, show that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate driven by his desire for a civilized state to reform education in his kingdom.
a) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate driven by his desire.
IMO A , but A also sounds a little awkward.
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b) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature as well as in the arts was himself an illiterate and also driven by his desire.Use of as well as is unnecessary, no need to use also.
c) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterateand that he was driven by his desire.
Author wants to convey :- A found X although he was Y due to his desire for Z.
Second relative clause introduced by "that" creates a subtle shift in meaning as below:-
1.A found X although he was Y.
2.A was driven by desire for Z.
Since both the relative clauses are independent , link that why Charlemagne founded the renaissance gets lost. :wink:

d) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature as well as in the arts was himself an illiterate and that he was driven by his desire
e) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate and that his desire drove him
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Re: Charlmagne [#permalink] New post 26 Sep 2010, 23:53
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dokiyoki wrote:
Why is D incorrect ?


Let me try to explain between A and D

a) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate driven by his desire
c) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate and that he was driven by his desire
d) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature as well as in the arts was himself an illiterate and that he was driven by his desire

D === the answer choice uses " as well as " , as well as can be used in place of and , but it is ideally used for not only..... but also, and should not be replace AND if not necessary, apart from that the later part of the sentence is wordy == AND THAT HE WAS

A=== flawless and best option available with brevity in place

Driven is used as past participle, and we avoid being passive as far as possible.



That really helped. Thanks alot :)
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Re: Charlmagne [#permalink] New post 27 Sep 2010, 00:01
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Contemporary accounts of the life of Charlemagne, crowned emperor by the pope in 800, show that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate driven by his desire for a civilized state to reform education in his kingdom.


Contemporary accounts of X, Y, show that <clause>the founder of Z was himself an illiterate driven by W. - correct


Option- C

Contemporary accounts of the life of Charlemagne, crowned emperor by the pope in 800, show that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate and that he was driven by his desire for a civilized state to reform education in his kingdom.

Contemporary accounts of X, Y, show that <clause> and that <clause>. The intended meaning in A is that the Contemporary accounts show that the founder was an illetrate where as in C Cont. accounts show that he was a founder AND he was an illiterate


Please correct me if my reasoning is wrong. You can also notice that all choices except A uses "and"



Ahh, so this is where i went wrong.
I tried to look for parallelism between "..Carolingian renaissance in literature AND the arts was...".
I wasnt even clear on whether we can replace "AND" with "AS WELL AS".
I also didnt keep in mind the passive tone of the answer choice D.

Thanks for explaining it out so clearly :)
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Re: Charlmagne [#permalink] New post 27 Sep 2010, 00:57
I picked C too. I understand the brevity of A, but A tries to describe 2 findings under 1 clause. 1) Charlemagne was an illiterate and 2) He was driven by his desire for a civilized state. Imo, repeating "that" clarifies this as two findings, not one continuous finding.
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Re: Charlmagne [#permalink] New post 02 Oct 2010, 23:13
hey guys,
according to my understanding D is the best ans
for ||ism
"the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature as well as in the arts was"
in this "......in literature as well as in the art" is ||
so only B and D is left...
in B it should be " .......arts was himself an illiterate and was also driven by his desire"....bt aftr and was is not present in B option ...so not || so incorrect...
and also D seems the best bet. B and D. and also ||

Plz suggest and also correct me if I m wrong...
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Re: Charlmagne [#permalink] New post 03 Oct 2010, 02:39
D for me too.
that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature as well as in the arts was himself an illiterate

Isn't it mandatory to use "in the arts" to preserve the real sense of the meaning.
Otherwise would it not sense like founder of the Carolongian renaissance in literature and founder of the arts?
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Contemporary accounts of the life of Charlemagne, crowned emperor by the pope in 800, show that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate driven by his desire for a civilized state to reform education in his kingdom.
a) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate driven by his desire
b) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature as well as in the arts was himself an illiterate and also driven by his desire
c) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate and that he was driven by his desire
d) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature as well as in the arts was himself an illiterate and that he was driven by his desire
e) that the founder of the Carolingian renaissance in literature and the arts was himself an illiterate and that his desire drove him


I think more than usage of 'as well as' & 'and', all the sentences except A are bugged by THAT and THAT clause...

Using THAT and THAT makes the phrase describe Charlemagne...it looks as if Charlemagne's account showed that 'founder of renaissance was illiterate' and that 'HE (who? Charlemagne? Founder? -- Ambiguous pronoun) was driven by HIS desire for...

A looks like the best fit.
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I look at this question from a different perspective and conclude that A is the correct answer by logic.

The gist of the text is that the emperor was primarily an illiterate; his desire for a civilized state is a derivate and corollary of the primary cause. These two things are not equal in logic; therefore they both can not be used conjunctly by the co-ordinate – and -. C and D suffer this malady of equating two unequal ones.

A brings out this logic perfectly by subjugating the drive to his illiteracy, using the participle driven.

A is a shade better than C and D by logic; the use of - and or as well as – in prepositional structures is inconsequential in the given case and perhaps is a bait to wean away from the crux.
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