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Re: CR: Property tax (CR 1000, TestA, Q17) [#permalink]
15 Feb 2008, 11:18
gixxer1000 wrote: If you bought a home 11 years ago you would be paying 22% for property tax. ............ Here would be the options for the home owner who bought the house 11 years ago: With: $75,000 x 22% = $16,500 .........
Sorry, I don't understand your logic: "if you bought your house 11 years ago for $75,000, your property tax would be approximately $914 a year (1 percent of $75,000 increased by 2 percent each year for 11 years)"914$ instead of 16'500$
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Re: CR: Property tax (CR 1000, TestA, Q17) [#permalink]
15 Feb 2008, 12:02
walker wrote: gixxer1000 wrote: If you bought a home 11 years ago you would be paying 22% for property tax. ............ Here would be the options for the home owner who bought the house 11 years ago: With: $75,000 x 22% = $16,500 .........
Sorry, I don't understand your logic: "if you bought your house 11 years ago for $75,000, your property tax would be approximately $914 a year (1 percent of $75,000 increased by 2 percent each year for 11 years)"914$ instead of 16'500$ I see my error I was increasing the rate by 2% a year instead of increasing the tax by 2%. Still the point I was trying to make is EVERY homeowner will NOT experience a substantial increase Another ex. (I'll double check my math)  : If you purchased a house 11 years ago for $75,000 and now it's worth $80,000. With prop 13 you would pay $914 ($75,000 x 1%= $750 then increase $750 by 2% for 10 more years) If they repealed it you would pay $2400 ($80,000 x 3% = $2400) So inorder for B to be true that would mean that everyones properties would have to increase in value at a considerable rate. I dont see how you can guarantee that by the passage. The only thing that leads me to think that your right is that it says every homeowner is likely to experience a substantial increase in property taxes. I guess you could interpret that as 'definitely maybe'. So I guess that gives you some room to make assumptions. And without D I would go with B. The problem is that I can find any scenario to disprove D. The only way D would not be correct is if under prop 13 everyone ALWAYS bought identical properties at the exact same time. Because if that doesnt happen, identical properties will be taxed at different rates. I know B is the OA so I'm beginning to thing this was just a problem that was not thought all the way through. Sorry for dragging this out.
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Re: CR: Property tax (CR 1000, TestA, Q17) [#permalink]
15 Feb 2008, 13:17
This question was in my mind for whole day Some fresh remarks: 1. The question is LSAT question rather than GMAT one. in GMAT "conclusion" questions are "must be true" questions. I'm not a guru in LSAT but I read some links and found that LSAR Logical Reasoning "conclusion" questions are not necessarily "must be true" one. (Please, correct me if I'm wrong). But I did not find good logic for such LSAT questions (due to lack of time and LSAT skills). 2. Anyway, the answers: A,C are out - "unconstitutional" and "preventing inflation" are far away from the argument. (B) If Proposition 13 is repealed, every homeowner is likely to experience a substantial increase in property taxes. Here we have extreme generalization (every) with very tricky word "likely" that defends the generalization.(D) If Proposition 13 is not repealed, identical properties will continue to be taxed at different rates. I see two problems: 1. "identical properties" vs. "identical properties with different year of buying". There were some "identical properties" with the same year of buying that were and will be taxed at the same rates.
2. "continue". We have to assume that the Proposition 13 is a proposition to existing low rather than new one. (E) Proposition 13 has benefited some homeowners more than others. Here we also generalization (homeowners) with word "some" that defends the generalization. I cannot find something wrong with E. Only "benefited" bothers me.So I between B and E. E is slightly better  Any ideas?
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Re: CR: Property tax (CR 1000, TestA, Q17) [#permalink]
15 Feb 2008, 13:50
Walker between B and E ...I would still go with B
Read question stem again....what is author likely arguing for?
The tone of the arguments is not about "some people getting benefited more than others"
It is more about increase in tax due to repealing of proposition 13.
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Re: CR: Property tax (CR 1000, TestA, Q17) [#permalink]
15 Feb 2008, 15:48
kyatin wrote: ...I would still go with B
Read question stem again....what is author likely arguing for?
The tone of the arguments is not about "some people getting benefited more than others"
It is more about increase in tax due to repealing of proposition 13. I've tried to go back: from conclusion to the argument. (B) If Proposition 13 is repealed, every homeowner is likely to experience a substantial increase in property taxes. I don't understand why the author has to introduce "an identical house". it does not help to arrive at the conclusion. It would be very great to find OE
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Wasi, N. and White, M.J. (2005). Property tax limitations and mobility: The lock-in effect of California’s Proposition 13, NBER Working Paper No. W11108. or INTERNATIONAL REAL ESTATE REVIEW 2007 Vol. 10 No. 1: pp. 26 - 47 Residential Stability or Rational Bubble: Proposition 13 in Southern California Mark Hoven Stohs For example, a buyer A purchases a house for $100,000 in 1975. Suppose further that the property tax rate is 1%, property value increases at the rate of 10% per year and the inflation rate is 2%.4 In 2005 buyer A’s taxes would have risen to $1,811. In 2005 buyer B would pay $1,744,940 for an identical house and receive a property tax bill of $17,449. Therefore, buyer A’s annual property subsidy is $15,638 (= $17,449 – $1,811). ..........
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Re: CR: Property tax (CR 1000, TestA, Q17) [#permalink]
15 Feb 2008, 17:58
walker wrote: Wasi, N. and White, M.J. (2005). Property tax limitations and mobility: The lock-in effect of California’s Proposition 13, NBER Working Paper No. W11108. or INTERNATIONAL REAL ESTATE REVIEW 2007 Vol. 10 No. 1: pp. 26 - 47 Residential Stability or Rational Bubble: Proposition 13 in Southern California Mark Hoven Stohs For example, a buyer A purchases a house for $100,000 in 1975. Suppose further that the property tax rate is 1%, property value increases at the rate of 10% per year and the inflation rate is 2%.4 In 2005 buyer A’s taxes would have risen to $1,811. In 2005 buyer B would pay $1,744,940 for an identical house and receive a property tax bill of $17,449. Therefore, buyer A’s annual property subsidy is $15,638 (= $17,449 – $1,811). ..........  walker, I think you just nailed it!
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Re: CR: Property tax (CR 1000, TestA, Q17) [#permalink]
15 Feb 2008, 20:57
incognito1 wrote: walker, I think you just nailed it! 
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Re: CR: Property tax (CR 1000, TestA, Q17) [#permalink]
16 Feb 2008, 11:36
So whats the conclusion here
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Re: CR: Property tax (CR 1000, TestA, Q17) [#permalink]
16 Feb 2008, 11:43
kyatin wrote: So whats the conclusion here walker located Proposition 13 on the net, and having read the relevant excerpt, it looks like (E) is the correct answer since it explicitly mentions A's subsidy in the last statement (hence A benefited more than B). The OA is incorrect. One can argue that this question is incomplete as the author does not make any argument in the given statements. Which is why they should refrain from having such answer choices in the actual exam.
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Re: CR: Property tax (CR 1000, TestA, Q17) [#permalink]
16 Feb 2008, 12:03
incognito1 wrote: One can argue that this question is incomplete as the author does not make any argument in the given statements. Which is why they should refrain from having such answer choices in the actual exam. I agree. I read some posts of guys that passed GMAT and guys often said: "CR was pretty straightforward". Of all OG CR I fount only one CR that was not airtight (for me, of course  ).
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