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Depending on ones point of view, the proliferation of the [#permalink] New post 28 Aug 2008, 20:28
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Depending on one’s point of view, the proliferation of the television is either a great advance in communication or an unmistakable sign that the decline in high culture begun before the War is still continuing.


decline in high culture begun before the War is still continuing

decline of high culture begun before the War is still continuing

decline of high culture that began before the War is continuing

decline in culture in high places that began before the War is continuing

declining culture in high places that began before the War still continues
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Re: SC Depending on one’s point of view, the proliferation [#permalink] New post 29 Aug 2008, 07:10
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Depending on one’s point of view, the proliferation of the television is either a great advance in communication or an unmistakable sign that the decline in high culture begun before the War is still continuing.


decline in high culture begun before the War is still continuing

decline of high culture begun before the War is still continuing

decline of high culture that began before the War is continuing

decline in culture in high places that began before the War is continuing

declining culture in high places that began before the War still continues


go for A.

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Re: SC Depending on one’s point of view, the proliferation [#permalink] New post 29 Aug 2008, 13:15
ssandeepan wrote:
Depending on one’s point of view, the proliferation of the television is either a great advance in communication or an unmistakable sign that the decline in high culture begun before the War is still continuing.


decline in high culture begun before the War is still continuing

decline of high culture begun before the War is still continuing

decline of high culture that began before the War is continuing

decline in culture in high places that began before the War is continuing

declining culture in high places that began before the War still continues


I will go with C.

begun is wrong. It is used in perfect tenses, so it would require "had begun."
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Re: SC Depending on one’s point of view, the proliferation [#permalink] New post 29 Aug 2008, 14:03
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Depending on one’s point of view, the proliferation of the television is either a great advance in communication or an unmistakable sign that the decline in high culture begun before the War is still continuing.


decline in high culture begun before the War is still continuing

decline of high culture begun before the War is still continuing

decline of high culture that began before the War is continuing

decline in culture in high places that began before the War is continuing

declining culture in high places that began before the War still continues


I will go with C.

begun is wrong. It is used in perfect tenses, so it would require "had begun."



I agree with you about "begun", but don't forget, it is a past participle, so it is used to modify "culture."
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Re: SC Depending on one’s point of view, the proliferation [#permalink] New post 29 Aug 2008, 14:51
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ssandeepan wrote:
Depending on one’s point of view, the proliferation of the television is either a great advance in communication or an unmistakable sign that the decline in high culture begun before the War is still continuing.


decline in high culture begun before the War is still continuing

decline of high culture begun before the War is still continuing

decline of high culture that began before the War is continuing

decline in culture in high places that began before the War is continuing

declining culture in high places that began before the War still continues


I will go with C.

begun is wrong. It is used in perfect tenses, so it would require "had begun."



I agree with you about "begun", but don't forget, it is a past participle, so it is used to modify "culture."


I don't really understand how you concluded that the answer is A by that reasoning...

The decline...that begun...is continuing.
OR
The decline...that began...is continuing.

Gotta be the second one...
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Re: SC Depending on one’s point of view, the proliferation [#permalink] New post 29 Aug 2008, 15:26
in this case, you are correct because you've used "that", which requires a clause, hence the actual verb "began" is required. But we don't have "that" in option A, so "begun" would be appropriate. by the way, "begun" is not a verb, but rather a past participle modifying the noun. I'll give you an example between the usage of past participle and a regular past tense:

1) The book WRITTEN by Tom is great---> past participle. The main verb here is the linking verb "is." However, "written" is NOT A VERB. It only adds information about the book.

2) Tom WROTE a great book---->simple past, "wrote" is the actual verb.
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Re: SC Depending on one’s point of view, the proliferation [#permalink] New post 29 Aug 2008, 16:40
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Depending on one’s point of view, the proliferation of the television is either a great advance in communication or an unmistakable sign that the decline in high culture begun before the War is still continuing.


decline in high culture begun before the War is still continuing

decline of high culture begun before the War is still continuing

decline of high culture that began before the War is continuing

decline in culture in high places that began before the War is continuing

declining culture in high places that began before the War still continues


C for me.

I think began is right here. Also, "is continuing" is more concise than "is still continuing"

OA please.
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Re: SC Depending on one’s point of view, the proliferation [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2008, 06:14
OA is C .

decline of high culture begun > we can not use begun.. as this structure will indicate "decline of high culture (was) begun" .. which is wrong

decline of high culture that began before the War is continuing > the decline.. bagan > which is correct

aslo, if you compare it with the sentence :

The book WRITTEN by Tom is great > The book (was) written by Tom > which is OK .. that why this sentence is correct
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Re: SC Depending on one’s point of view, the proliferation [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2008, 12:28
Do we really need still here? I don't think we need still here as it does not add any thing to the continuation.

C & D are left. C is clear and D actually changes the words.
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Re: SC Depending on one’s point of view, the proliferation [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2008, 01:48
guys, wouldn't option A be correct if "still" were taken out? I wouldn't say that "begun" is wrong because it's a past participle and it is legal to use a past participle to describe the attached noun, which is culture in this case. would anyone comment please? Another question I have here is that, is the verb "begin" a transitive verb?
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Re: Depending on ones point of view, the proliferation of the [#permalink] New post 06 Jan 2014, 01:21
Is "decline of" correct from idiom point of view?
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Is "decline of" correct from idiom point of view?


Both 'decline in' and 'decline of' are correct. But in the context, let's see which one is proper.

I will re-write the question stem as below.

The proliferation is an unmistakable sign that the decline in high culture begun before the war is continuing.
This gives us an impression that culture begun before the war and is still continuing.

The meaning should be, decline begun before the war and is continuing.

Decline of 'what' begun before the war? Decline of culture.

Usage of 'Decline in' : Decline in numbers, decline in population, decline in dollar value etc (use decline in when talking about numbers)
Usage of 'Decline of' : Decline of Ashoka's empire, decline of moral values, decline of Harappan civilization etc. (use decline of while talking about something abstract)
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