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I'm lost.

Can anyone explain/provide examples?


I pinched every penny so as to be a rich man.

I pinched every penny so that I too could one day be a rich man.


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New post 26 Feb 2008, 00:24
these two are idioms and as I understand them

so as to-> in order to

so as to precedes verbs

You should start the project now so as to finish it in time

so that-> in order that , is often used with results

like, I stopped so that he could catch up -> so that often precedes noun,pronouns

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prasannar wrote:
these two are idioms and as I understand them

so as to-> in order to

so as to precedes verbs

You should start the project now so as to finish it in time

so that-> in order that , is often used with results

like, I stopped so that he could catch up -> so that often precedes noun,pronouns

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I still don't get it.

I'll bring out the beast:

Unlike a hurricane, which can be observed from within, a tornado is so small that such a study has not been practical.

(A) that such a study has not been practical
(B) that studying it that way has not been impractical
(C) for such studies as this to have been impractical
(D) as to not make such a study practical
(E) as to be impractical of study


I would go for E. However, the modifier points to an implicit study, hence it's A. E is much more concise, and grammatically correct.
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I'm lost.

Can anyone explain/provide examples?


I pinched every penny so as to be a rich man.

I pinched every penny so that I too could one day be a rich man.


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Hi StartupAddict,

I found your topic about Gmatprep digging in the thread of Experience is good! I like that.

As far as I concerned, there is no difference between the two. Only the which one does not make you confused! I hope you will get what I mean by looking at this example.

For example :

OG10.67.
Congress is debating a bill requiring certain employers provide workers with unpaid leave so as to care for sick or newbom children.

(A) provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
(B) to provide workers with unpaid leave so as to(C) provide workers with unpaid leave in order that they
(D) to provide workers with unpaid leave so that they can
(E) provide workers with unpaid leave and

The difference between B and D is : B: employers....care for sick or children, making the sentence awkward

But D : workers are persons who care for sick or children.

If I use "so as to" I will not able to say my opinion that workers caring for sick or children.

Correct me if I still wrong! hehe
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Hi,

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Are both idioms ,so that and so X that Y, correct on GMAT?

for eg :

I did this so that I could leave early

Her action was so extreme that it could not be justified.


one book which I am using says that 'so X that Y ' is the correct idiom and it has no mention of 'so that'.

The other says 'so that' is correct.

Are both correct in different contexts?


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Between the two idioms 'So X as to Y' and 'So X That Y' use the former when the emphasis is on Y and use the latter when the emphasis is on X
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Hi,

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Are both idioms ,so that and so X that Y, correct on GMAT?

for eg :

I did this so that I could leave early

Her action was so extreme that it could not be justified.


one book which I am using says that 'so X that Y ' is the correct idiom and it has no mention of 'so that'.

The other says 'so that' is correct.

Are both correct in different contexts?


Thanks,

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Can someone please answer the above question, I am stuck at the same doubt. Thanks!
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dkj1984 wrote:
Hi,

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Are both idioms ,so that and so X that Y, correct on GMAT?

for eg :

I did this so that I could leave early

Her action was so extreme that it could not be justified.


one book which I am using says that 'so X that Y ' is the correct idiom and it has no mention of 'so that'.

The other says 'so that' is correct.

Are both correct in different contexts?


Thanks,

Regards,


Can someone please answer the above question, I am stuck at the same doubt. Thanks!


yes both so that and so X that Y are correct.

1. So X that Y......................Y explains or describes X

The test was so difficult that I could not even complete it.
the words tumbled out so fast that I could barely hear them

2. So that.......................purpose

So that” is used as a subordinate clause to show purpose or to give an explanation. It is used to show an action producing an intended result or a cause producing an effect.

they whisper to each other so that no one else can hear
We know from her letters that Frances destroyed the original, so that it would not injure her husband's reputation.
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There is no construction like: 'so X as to Y', only 'so X that Y' is correct.
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New post 27 Apr 2016, 05:54
gianghoang217 wrote:
There is no construction like: 'so X as to Y', only 'so X that Y' is correct.

That might be bit of a generalization. Following is a correct official example:

Often major economic shifts are so gradual as to be indistinguishable at first from ordinary fluctuations in the financial markets.
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One problem with E is that "impractical of study" is not correct. We could say that something is "impractical to study," but with "of," the whole expression makes no sense.

So let's see, would E work if we said "Unlike a hurricane, which can be observed from within, a tornado is so small as to be impractical to study"? Not really. We use "so X as to Y" when we want to emphasize that something goes so far in the direction of X that it reaches Y. Look at the example Ashish provides above: a shift was "so gradual as to be indistinguishable." A few other examples:

The offer was so low as to be insulting.
The difference was so fine as to be imperceptible.

So basically, when we use this construction, we are simply adding detail to the original adjective. How low was the offer? Insultingly low. How fine was the difference? Imperceptibly fine. Basically, in these cases we have a long-winded way of saying something simpler: "The offer was insultingly low." "The difference was imperceptible." Note that in the official example, "so gradual as to be . . . ," the sentence is a bit harder to simplify. Perhaps the construction is used there because there's not really a clearer way to say that the shift was "imperceptibly gradual." (It doesn't make much sense when phrased like that.)

Let's compare this to "so X that Y." In that case, Y is a consequence of X. Because tornadoes are small, they are impractical to study. "Impractical to study" doesn't really amplify or build on "small"; rather, it shows a consequence of the tornadoes' size.
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