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Just try to analyze some factors just in case I'll be in the same boat soon

Since you got interview invites from all those top schools, I believe your application worked well. So the areas in doubt are those not reflected in the application (stats, essays, etc.), but are reflected in the interview.

Could it be one or more of the following reasons:

- Your personality type doesn't fit the school's culture
- You think the interview went well but the interviewer didn't think so, or other students even had a better interview than you
- The interviewer don't think you need an MBA to move on, so he just write something like "this applicant is so well-qualified that he doesn't need to waste time for an MBA". If this is the case, then you need to reassess your rationale of "why MBA"
- Subjective reasons: no need to care for, because we can't control them anyway

Good luck with your remaining schools!
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Re: Ding Analysis [#permalink]  08 Mar 2007, 19:04
willget800 wrote:
Ok -

I had my essays reviewied by rhyme - thanks man
I thought my best interview was Duke
I went to duke for interview
My gmat is 670(Q:49,V:33,AWA:5.5)
My undergrad gpa - 3.95 from Melbourne, Australia (as translated by US school)
My gradyuate GPA - 3.9 from top 20 US school in Computer Science
Sold 5 years work experience, good career progression.
Avionics is my industry.
Nationality - INDIAN

My only thing I can feel is - maybe they had too many aerospace industry applicants...

My essays I thought were not as good as the Cornell ones.
And when I met the Cornell director, I told him I prefer Cornell over Duke. Now I dont know if they had a chat among themselves.

Thats all I can think.
Anyways this is totally f***ed.
Now I have to wait for June to get a f***n review. WTF? They want us to do everything.. And they cannot provide an instant feedback.

willget, as I've written before elsewhere in this forum: 1 or 2 dings is not a pattern. We know there's a variability to this process. 4 dings could be a pattern of some sort (portfolio selection, maybe?). Hang in there.

Cheers. L.
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I hate to say it - but have you considered retaking the GMAT?

What else do you think you could do to improve your candidacy? I think your profile looks pretty solid.

I am in the same boat as you...
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I know it sounds cliche, but I have to think that some things happen for a reason. Who knows? Maybe Duke wasn't the best place for you. LBS dinged me AND asked me to apply again next year because they thought I needed another year of relevant work experience. As far as I'm concerend, I'm ready now. I have four years of experience (2 in law, 2 in business,) and that's slightly below their average, but only by a year. The bottom line is that you never know what schools are aiming for. Maybe Duke wants its GMAT score to be slightly higher. Or maybe they had several applicants simlar to you. Perhaps LBS wants its average work experience to be slightly higher than it is currently. Generally it stinks; at the same time, I've decided I've done everything I can and things will work out in the best way. If I didn't think that way, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.
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wshaffer wrote:
I know it sounds cliche, but I have to think that some things happen for a reason. Who knows? Maybe Duke wasn't the best place for you. LBS dinged me AND asked me to apply again next year because they thought I needed another year of relevant work experience. As far as I'm concerend, I'm ready now. I have four years of experience (2 in law, 2 in business,) and that's slightly below their average, but only by a year. The bottom line is that you never know what schools are aiming for. Maybe Duke wants its GMAT score to be slightly higher. Or maybe they had several applicants simlar to you. Perhaps LBS wants its average work experience to be slightly higher than it is currently. Generally it stinks; at the same time, I've decided I've done everything I can and things will work out in the best way. If I didn't think that way, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.

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willget800
sorry to hear about your ding. good luck to you for other applications.
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Re: Ding Analysis [#permalink]  09 Mar 2007, 02:45
willget800 wrote:
Ok -

I had my essays reviewied by rhyme - thanks man
I thought my best interview was Duke
I went to duke for interview
My gmat is 670(Q:49,V:33,AWA:5.5)
My undergrad gpa - 3.95 from Melbourne, Australia (as translated by US school)
My gradyuate GPA - 3.9 from top 20 US school in Computer Science
Sold 5 years work experience, good career progression.
Avionics is my industry.
Nationality - INDIAN

My only thing I can feel is - maybe they had too many aerospace industry applicants...

My essays I thought were not as good as the Cornell ones.
And when I met the Cornell director, I told him I prefer Cornell over Duke. Now I dont know if they had a chat among themselves.

Thats all I can think.
Anyways this is totally f***ed.
Now I have to wait for June to get a f***n review. WTF? They want us to do everything.. And they cannot provide an instant feedback.

Your app could have been screened by a wierdo narrow minded 2nd year (who probably thoght that any Indian engineer who gets less than 700 is not good ) who probably kept you on border line becuase of ur GMAT score.
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thanks guys for all your encouragement.. really..

Well I agree with the comments that if I get all 4 dings, then I need to reanalyse my situation...........

Jay - thanks for the gita thing.. thats what my family said to me last night.. i was quite down the whole night, could not sleep... kept thinking of the next ding..........

well now onto the next 2 weeks. I am waiting for mar 23rd.

Thanks to all..........

I will keep working on keepimg the faith
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gmat_crack wrote:
rhyme wrote:
gmat_crack wrote:
dude we are in same boat.... what should be next step...

Woah I havent seen you in months. How you been?

I am ok... now I need some advice

Feel free to give me a PM.
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I'm in the same situation as you willget. My GMAT score & length of work exp are almost idential to yours. I've been dinged 3 times already with no accepts. I am not, however, indian. I have 3 more schools left and cornell is one of my last hopes.

If I don't get any accepts this year, I'm definitly going to improve my GMAT score. I'm sure this was the achilles heel in my app.
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rhyme wrote:
gmat_crack wrote:
rhyme wrote:
gmat_crack wrote:
dude we are in same boat.... what should be next step...

Woah I havent seen you in months. How you been?

I am ok... now I need some advice

Feel free to give me a PM.

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curioustodd wrote:
I'm in the same situation as you willget. My GMAT score & length of work exp are almost idential to yours. I've been dinged 3 times already with no accepts. I am not, however, indian. I have 3 more schools left and cornell is one of my last hopes.

If I don't get any accepts this year, I'm definitly going to improve my GMAT score. I'm sure this was the achilles heel in my app.

Lets create a plan and execute it.... I think GMAT is the most important factor specially for Indian applicant .....

Either score >730 or die....
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UPDATE -
Ok I was hoping for admits here, but got two wait lists - any tips?
WL at Cornell
WL at London

any tips?
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willget800 wrote:
UPDATE -
Ok I was hoping for admits here, but got two wait lists - any tips?
WL at Cornell
WL at London

any tips?

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Thats a great article abt WL! Thanks for sharing.
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willget800 wrote:
UPDATE -
Ok I was hoping for admits here, but got two wait lists - any tips?
WL at Cornell
WL at London

any tips?

I hate to point out the obvious, but given your demographic and the apparent competitiveness of the applicant pool this year, have you considered taking the GMAT again? Your GMAT is below the mid-line for these schools so it definitely isn't helping, and at this point you need to do whatever you can to help your candidacy.
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willget - sorry to hear that man. Hang in there and I hope it works out for you in the remaining schools.

I do concur with Pelihu's observation - whether you like it or not, you are in the 'oh-crap' demographic and the score does put you at a bit of disadvantage, and since we're hearing lots of applications this year, it could be an unwanted pain. Then again, one never knows ding reasons.

Don't give up yet - your candidature seems strong because of the calls you've had. It might make a lot of sense to up your GMAT score so you leave nothing to chance, and then hit a few schools you haven't applied to (and re-apply). All that is assuming you don't make it anywwhere but I sincerely hope you will get in a school of your choice and you can look back at these posts and smile away.

Wishing you the best.
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So what I dont understand is if they feel my gmat score is not upto the mark, why to invite me for interview???? Why not ding me upfront saying your gmat is less...

If my gmat score is an issue, why not say it upfront?
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Willget - GMAT is just one of the variables. And we all know that schools will call excellent candidates and in then end they have the luxury to pick and choose. That is why many deserving candidates don't make it. Sometimes it is beyond explanation - a purely random choice where someone decided a profile 'isn't good enough' - a subjective decision for which there is no answer.

But when you look at it - you have an excellent profile, but you have immense competition too. In such a case, it is only safer to swing to your advantage whatever you can.

Bottomline is no one knows if GMAT caused a ding, but you also don't know the other way!

All said and done, don't take it too hard - wait for the remaining results. And don't give up (it's a different matter if you go back and run a multi million $business in India's booming economy!) Senior Manager Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 479 Followers: 1 Kudos [?]: 3 [0], given: 0 [#permalink] 24 Mar 2007, 17:08 necromonger wrote: (it's a different matter if you go back and run a multi million$ business in India's booming economy!)

I think this is the best option. once you become successful, these schools will beg at your door for funding and then you ding them

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