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 [#permalink] New post 14 Jul 2007, 14:23
the only way "illustrates" can be used is if it refers to the lecture, but that would be even worse sentence construction.

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 [#permalink] New post 14 Jul 2007, 19:30
Got another one wrong...silly me.

Relations are the ones that illustrate.
Only B corrects the S-V problem.
Also,'between' is used for 'two' parties which is not appropriate here.

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Re: SC - Dr. Sayre’s lecture [#permalink] New post 14 Jul 2007, 21:05
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254. Dr. Sayre’s lecture recounted several little-known episodes in the relations between nations that illustrates what is wrong with alliances and treaties that do not have popular support.
(A) relations between nations that illustrates
(B) relation of one nation with another that illustrates
(C) relations between nations that illustrate
(D) relation of one nation with another and illustrate
(E) relations of nations that illustrates


any choice that uses "illustrates" is wrong because the subject is plural (episodes).

C is the best choice.


But in this sentence, "illustrates" does not refer to "episodes."

B.


B is the OA


C leaves a doubt in the mind of the reader about the number of nations involved in the alliances and treaties. Why can't there be more than 2 nations involved in a treaty ???
Since we don't know how many nations are actually involved, we can't say if the sentence should have "between" or "among"


A, D and E just don't fit.

B is the only option left which doesn't seem to be wrong in any way.
The subject of the verb illustrates is "relation" here.
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Re: SC - Dr. Sayre’s lecture [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2009, 08:09
illustrates bothers me.

it is obvious in the sentence, "episodes ... illustrate"
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Re: SC - Dr. Sayre’s lecture [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2009, 08:37
254. Dr. Sayre’s lecture recounted several little-known episodes in the relations between nations that illustrates what is wrong with alliances and treaties that do not have popular support.
(A) relations between nations that illustrates
(B) relation of one nation with another that illustrates
(C) relations between nations that illustrate

I believe C has to be correct here.
OA could be wrong?
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Re: SC - Dr. Sayre’s lecture [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2009, 08:55
I am still pretty positive about B.
In B, the whole "that" clause is rhetorically modifying "relation", hence it should be "illustrates" - i.e. relation...illustrates what is wrong with alliances and treaties.

In C, "relations between nations" - apart from the fact that we need "among" instead of "between" - creates ambiguities. Whose relations? - A's relation with B or A's relations with B and C?

"in the relations..." prepositional phrase is so complex that if the author would want "illustrate" to refer to "episodes", he would construct the sentence differently.
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Re: SC - Dr. Sayre’s lecture [#permalink] New post 04 Jan 2009, 03:59
IMO C ..
It is the little-known episodes ( plural ) ,which Illustrate ( plural ) ..Thus narrow down to C and D ..
D is wrong because "and" is required to introduce 2 independent clause ..which is not a case with D...Hence C is the ultimate winner .
(C) relations between nations that illustrate
(D) relation of one nation with another and illustrate
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Re: SC - Dr. Sayre’s lecture [#permalink] New post 19 Jul 2010, 12:23
According to my source, OA is B.
However, in thos other source, OA is C: http://www.urch.com/forums/gmat/27211-i ... doc-2.html

I would really appreciate if any SC guru shed some light in this one.

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Re: SC - Dr. Sayre’s lecture [#permalink] New post 19 Jul 2010, 23:22
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2) if this problem is taken from a source that indicates (b) as the correct answer, run, don't walk, away from that source. run for your life.
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Re: SC - Dr. Sayre’s lecture [#permalink] New post 21 Jul 2010, 07:34
does that mean it is not worth spending time undertsanding the structure of this sentence ???
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Re: SC - Dr. Sayre’s lecture [#permalink] New post 29 Jul 2010, 15:38
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Ron says run for your life and set the source on fire. I am running away ! LOLS

2) if this problem is taken from a source that indicates (b) as the correct answer, run, don't walk, away from that source. run for your life.
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So what is your take.

I am convinced that "that" modifies episodes, which is plural, so it must be "illustrate". Between C and D, I prefer C, although I would prefer "among" rather than "between".
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I am in favor of C...
I was looking for among in the answer choices, presuming more than 2 nations to be involved, but none of the choices features an "among"...
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Re: SC - Dr. Sayre’s lecture [#permalink] New post 07 Sep 2010, 00:04
I think I should have this lecture because I was so confused about the relations between nations that illustrates. Does the lecture have something to do with out nation?
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Re: SC - Dr. Sayre’s lecture [#permalink] New post 07 Sep 2010, 22:41
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254. Dr. Sayre’s lecture recounted several little-known episodes in the relations between nations that illustrates what is wrong with alliances and treaties that do not have popular support.
(A) relations between nations that illustrates
(B) relation of one nation with another that illustrates
(C) relations between nations that illustrate
(D) relation of one nation with another and illustrate
(E) relations of nations that illustrates



core: Lecture recounted episodes that illustrate..
By POE we came down to C and D

C preserves the meaning of the sentence, because "that" is essential here. Dr. Sayre is using the episodes to illustrate...
D changes "that" to "and". The meaning of the sentence changes because Dr. Sayre is now doing two different things. He uses the episode and he also illustrates the relationship. Another point to consider is "illustrate" should be "illustrated"
B is not correct because the subject of the "several little-known episodes in the relations between nations" is "episodes", which should go with "illustrate". Any answer with "illustrates" will be wrong
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Re: SC - Dr. Sayre’s lecture [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2010, 20:21
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254. Dr. Sayre’s lecture recounted several little-known episodes in the relations between nations that illustrates what is wrong with alliances and treaties that do not have popular support.

(A) relations between nations that illustrates
PROBLEM: Subject-verb agreement. The subject here is "episodes," which is plural, so we need "illustrate."

(B) relation of one nation with another that illustrates
PROBLEM: Subject-verb agreement. The subject here is "episodes," which is plural, so we need "illustrate."

(C) relations between nations that illustrate
ANSWER - The thing people don't like here is "between," because we use "between" to talk about two things and "among" for more than two. However, I imagine there's a reading of this sentence in which we're talking about various relations between TWO countries (at a time), as in the relation between the US and Canada AND the relationship between US and Mexico at once, so we could describe that as "relations between nations". Sounds passable to me.

(D) relation of one nation with another and illustrate
PROBLEM: You have to say "relations between nations" or "relation of one nation TO another."

(E) relations of nations that illustrates
PROBLEM: Subject-verb agreement. The subject here is "episodes," which is plural, so we need "illustrate."

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Re: SC - Dr. Sayre’s lecture [#permalink] New post 30 Jun 2011, 01:49
I think it is lecture that illustrates and not episodes. C and D are out as we need illustrates and not illustrate.

Further, relation between nations should be among. So A is out.
Relation of nations does not make sense- E is out.

B stands.
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Re: SC - Dr. Sayre’s lecture [#permalink] New post 30 Jun 2011, 05:27
The subject is "episodes" --- so the verb has to be "illustrate"....

Choice C
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Re: Dr. Sayres lecture recounted several little-known episodes [#permalink] New post 29 Dec 2011, 12:03
I also answered C.

But now confused with these debate. OA is B. And Subject may be lecture.
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Re: Dr. Sayres lecture recounted several little-known episodes [#permalink] New post 30 Dec 2011, 11:48
so in B: relation is illustrating, is it?
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