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EMBA Decision - Michigan-Notre Dame-Cornell-Northwestern [#permalink]
08 May 2011, 10:30
I just completed the final application steps for Michigan and Notre Dame, with Cornell and Northwestern to be completed soon. I would love to hear from everyone their thoughts on which program they think would be the best fit for me.
Here are the basics on each program:
Michigan-Ross EMBA Program Program Duration: 20 months Program Cost: $135,000 EMBA Rankings: #6 Poets & Quants, #7 BW, #15 WSJ, #8 US News, #31 FT Visiting Campus: x1 per month with two (2) one week residencies. Study Time per Week (Avg.): 15-20 hrs.
Notre Dame EMBA Program Program Duration: 21 months Program Cost: $88,500 EMBA Rankings: #22 Poets & Quants, #20 BW, #6 WSJ, Not Rated-US News & FT Classroom: x1 per month with four (4) one week residencies. Study Time per Week (Avg.): 15-20 hrs.
Cornell-Johnson EMBA Program Program Duration: 22 months Program Cost: $145,380 EMBA Rankings: #8 P&Q, 2nd Tier BW, #8 WSJ, #20 US News, #24 FT Classroom Time: x2 per month (Sat-Sun) with summer off (2 months); four (4) one week residencies. Study Time per Week (Avg.): 20 hrs.
Northwestern EMBA Program Program Duration: 22 months Program Cost: $153,900 EMBA Rankings: #3 Poets & Quants, #1 BW, #5 WSJ, #2 US News, #20 FT Visiting Campus: x2 per month (Fri-Sun) with July off; two (2) one week residencies. Study Time per Week (Avg.): 25-30 hrs.
I have visited Michigan and Notre Dame and LOVED everything I saw about the programs. I haven't visited Cornell, but have heard great things about their EMBA Program. Northwestern of course is a top-level program with a world-class reputation.
I am trying to determine which program would have the following for me:
1. Strong reputation nationally if I relocate from the Midwest to the West coast. 2. Jumping board for possible career transition (at least the option if I wanted to) 3. Strong alumni network 4. Schedule that fits best with my life (travel for campus visits, homework per week)
Details about myself - I'm 37 yrs. old, work for a Fortune 500 company, and responsible for leading twenty-three direct reports with P&L responsibility of over $100 million. I work around 60 hours per week, but would cut-back to around 45-50 when school starts. I plan on paying for the program myself, with no corporate support.
3/4 programs you selected were also in my original scope. In the end I applied to Notre Dame first as my primary choice. As a small business owner, my decision was affected greatly by the cost. I felt whatever additional advantages that were derived from the other schools, didn't warrant the extra monies. In short, ND provides the best ROI for my future.
The schedule of Mich. and ND. In my opinion are also the most practical. As most applicants, I have responsibilities that can't be set aside.
Finally, I felt that the ND brand supersedes all others when it comes to the consideration of ethics, and awareness. I want to grow as a person, and a real leader. I felt the program, under the school, was the best route for me.
The new curriculum that was just launched is brilliant, and I look forward to the balanced approach of weaving strategy, leadership and core fundamentals.
I agree that Michigan and ND have the best schedules for working professionals, with campus visits just once a month. I don't think I have the time to visit a campus every other weekend for classes.
Between Ross and Mendoza, who do you feel has the stronger reputation and alumni network? I know Ross is ranked higher with an extensive alumni network, but ND alumni are very loyal and network like crazy. ND also has the "name" with worldwide recognition. It seems very even to me.
That is a good question, and one which I don't have enough knowledge or experience to answer well.
In addition to the the global network, is your class network. Speaking with ND Alumni of 2012, 2011, I found that they both had job offers during their time in the program. However, I don't believe that is something unique to one school.
I really liked the elective format of Michigan, and do wish the ND program modeled that a little closer. The electives in ND are only provided during the immersion weeks. But, with that being said, they are taught by the top tier Mendoza faculty.
One could possibly surmise that if an individual had to select between two programs, he might be more value conscientious than a corporation. And wouldn't the higher tuition costs drive away those earning less? Thus, those that do enroll might be of a higher salary level, and can either; (1) afford it themselves, or (2) be considered worth the investment by their organization.
What I am implying is that Michigan might have more, higher caliber, Executives than ND. Maybe?
Contrasting that chain of logic, my neighbor's father is a pilot for private jets. He said that, "you will never see more leer jets at an airport than you will at South Bend on game day." It is a weird indicator, but it gives you an idea.
Very valid points you make. I feel like I can't go wrong with either program. I like the fact that Michigan is a Fri-Sat once a month visit vs. ND which is Thurs-Sat. I also think Michigan has fewer immersion weeks than ND, but this is minor.
There is a significant price difference between the two - $88,500 (ND) vs. $135,000 (Ross). That is a big chunk of change.
One other point, I REALLY love the new EMBA program/format at ND.
When I ask business contacts or friends about both programs, NO ONE can quote MBA rankings or standings for Michigan or Notre Dame. Everyone can agree they are both stellar schools/programs, but ND seems to have a mystique to its name. It does seem like a very strong name nationwide, where some programs are more regional.
BTW, congratulations on your acceptance to Notre Dame! Maybe I will see you this summer.