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Emily Dickinson’s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumbering her letters to anyone else.

(A) Dickinson were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumbering
(B) Dickinson were written over a period that begins a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ended shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumber
(C) Dickinson, written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and that ends shortly before Emily’s death in 1886 and outnumbering
(D) Dickinson, which were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother, ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, and outnumbering
(E) Dickinson, which were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumber
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Re: Emily Dickinsons letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were [#permalink] New post 08 Mar 2012, 15:57
There is nothing wrong with A .

Emily Dickinson’s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson : subject were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumbering her letters to anyone else.



outnumbering verb applies to the subject of the main clause it precedes .
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Re: SC: Set 13, Q31 - Emily's letters [#permalink] New post 21 Mar 2012, 01:01
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Emily Dickinson’s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumbering her letters to anyone else.

A. Emily Dickinson’s letters to Susan HuntingtonDickinson were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumbering

E. Emily Dickinson’s letters to Susan HuntingtonDickinson, which were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumber


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BTW what is exactly wrong with A anyways? A and E are in the same voice whether it is passive or active the difference being A eliminates the erroneous placement of which.



Very interesting discussion going on here and that too on a topic that I confess is very dear to me!

Let's deal with this beast in two parts -

The problem with A is the participle OUTNUMBERING. As written in A, it clearly modifies period which is definitely not right. It must refer to letters.

In E on the other hand, it's quite clear what outnumber is referring to - letters.

However, of course, E seems to have a problem with the placement of which. We all know this fact cold that GMAT doesn't like the placement of which to be fiddled with in any way - and it must without fail appear immediately after the noun it's supposed to displace.

Thus - The Community hall in the townsquare which we all like is already booked for another marriage.

We know that which must refer to the community hall - but here it's appearing immediately after townsquare causing a GENUINE confusion in the reader's mind as to which of the two do WE ALL LIKE? Community Hall or Townsquare?

Compare this with another scenario -

All my requests to George which were to make him aware of his mistakes went unheeded by him.

Here IMO - the object of the preposition TO, George can't be modified by which; hence by logical extension, which modifies requests.

I don't want to contradict what we have all learnt about the usage of which and the restriction that it should be as close as possible to the noun it's intended to modify; all I am saying is, if a prepositional phrase intervenes between the which and the proable subject - so long as which can unambigously refer to the earlier subject and NOT the object of the preposition (as in the case of George above and UNLIKE the case of the townsquare earlier) we are OK.

In our example in this question - the scenario is simlar - it talks about Letters to Dickinson which --- again, the prepositional TO DICKINSON does not affect the relationship between which and Letters. Also, Dickinson can't be qualified by which anyway. You need WHO in the relative clause for an animate object like dickinson.



NO, I probably, beg to differ here, or seek to infer better ............................

WHICH in the above examples are just fine... absolutely, but ",WHICH" as appearing in choice E is not a GMAT answer.....??

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Re: Emily Dickinsons letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were [#permalink] New post 23 Mar 2012, 13:29
Should be E, all other options seem to have tense errors
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Re: Emily Dickinsons letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were [#permalink] New post 14 Jun 2012, 16:40
Let's break the sentence into several parts

Emily Dickinson’s letters were written [over a period beginning <…> and ending <…>], outnumber .

Thus we can eliminate A,C,D because the phrase "letters were outnumbering" implies a continuing process.

B: a period that begins … and ended - an error

This leaves us with E with the "which" issue but posters above justified its use.
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Emily Dickinson s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were [#permalink] New post 14 Nov 2012, 22:24
Emily Dickinson’s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumbering her letters to anyone else.
(A) Dickinson were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumbering
(B) Dickinson were written over a period that begins a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ended shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumber
(C) Dickinson, written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and that ends shortly before Emily’s death in 1886 and outnumbering
(D) Dickinson, which were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother, ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, and outnumbering
(E) Dickinson, which were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumber
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Re: SC... [#permalink] New post 14 Nov 2012, 22:44
"which" in this case cannot modify the noun since the noun is a person. Instead, only "who" can properly modify the noun/person.
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Re: SC... [#permalink] New post 14 Nov 2012, 23:09
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The following examples will help.
1. I sent letters to my dad, which contained my travel descriptions (correct)
2. The computers by Apple, which were bought from amazon were not as per apple standards. (correct)
You are right when you say that which should modify the immediately preceding noun but NOT always. A small preposition phrase which modifies the noun often comes in between and this official question is a proof that the GMAT does not consider the "which touch" rule to be iron clad.
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Re: SC... [#permalink] New post 15 Nov 2012, 04:02
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Emily Dickinson’s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and
ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumbering
her letters to anyone else.
(A) Dickinson were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death
in 1886, outnumbering
(B) Dickinson were written over a period that begins a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ended shortly before Emily’s death
in 1886, outnumber
(C) Dickinson, written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and that ends shortly before Emily’s death in
1886 and outnumbering
(D) Dickinson, which were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother, ending shortly before Emily’s
death in 1886, and outnumbering
(E) Dickinson, which were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before
Emily’s death in 1886, outnumber

Please explain the use of which if u got ur ans right....since we know that which modify the noun immediately preceding ..


this is one of the trickier question I have encouter during my prepration but at the same time one of the most dumb


Emily Dickinson’s letters to Susan Huntington.........................outnumber her letters to anyone else

that's it. The rest is only filler

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Re: SC... [#permalink] New post 15 Nov 2012, 13:26
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Hi @buffaloboy,

Use of "which" is absolutely correct in the correct answer choice. To know the reason why, please read the article by clicking on the following link:
noun-modifiers-can-modify-slightly-far-away-noun-135868.html

If you have question regarding the article or this official question, then do post it here.
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Re: Emily Dickinson s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were [#permalink] New post 17 Nov 2012, 09:06
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Emily Dickinson’s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and
ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumbering
her letters to anyone else.
(A) Dickinson were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death
in 1886, outnumbering
(B) Dickinson were written over a period that begins a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ended shortly before Emily’s death
in 1886, outnumber
(C) Dickinson, written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and that ends shortly before Emily’s death in
1886 and outnumbering
(D) Dickinson, which were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother, ending shortly before Emily’s
death in 1886, and outnumbering
(E) Dickinson, which were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before
Emily’s death in 1886, outnumber

Please explain the use of which if u got ur ans right....since we know that which modify the noun immediately preceding ..



According to Manhattan GMAT, in general, a noun modifier should touch their nouns, however there are 4 exceptions to this case:
1. A "mission critical" modifier falls in between
2. A very short predicate falls between, shifting a very long modifier back
3. A short non-essential phrase intervenes and is set of by commas
4. The modifier is part of a series of parallel modifiers, one of which touches the noun

In this case, the modifier "to Susan Huntington" is critical for the meaning -> case 1
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Re: Emily Dickinson s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were [#permalink] New post 21 Nov 2012, 23:14
I get the right answer but do not understand why A is wrong.

is A not logic?
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Re: Emily Dickinson s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were [#permalink] New post 22 Nov 2012, 06:02
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I get the right answer but do not understand why A is wrong.

is A not logic?


Emily Dickinson’s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and
ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumbering her letters to anyone else.

This is wrong.
, ING modifier modifies the entire preceding clause which cannot be the case here.

Cosider the following examples,

I bought the lottery tickets, hoping to win the lottery. CORRECT
here hoping.... modifies the preceding clause i.e it provides reason as to why I bought the lottery.

The teacher was mad at me, asking to come to the principal's office. WRONG
Here asking to me ..... cannot modify the clause "the teacher was mad at me", but rather the ING clause only provides additional information.

Does that help?
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Re: Emily Dickinson s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were [#permalink] New post 22 Nov 2012, 18:58
A said

the letter were writen, outnumbering other letters

why this sentence is not logic? comma doing can modify the previous clause.
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Emily Dickinson s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2013, 10:02
Emily Dickinson’s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumbering her letters to anyone else.
(A) Dickinson were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumbering
(B) Dickinson were written over a period that begins a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ended shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumber
(C) Dickinson, written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and that ends shortly before Emily’s death in 1886 and outnumbering
(D) Dickinson, which were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother, ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, and outnumbering
(E) Dickinson, which were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumber

i picked a.why a is wrong
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Re: Emily Dickinson’s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2013, 10:24
I too picked A. Cant see a reason why A wrong and E is correct.
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Re: Emily Dickinsons letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were [#permalink] New post 24 Apr 2013, 19:10
All duplicate threads on this topic have been merged.

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Re: Emily Dickinsons letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were [#permalink] New post 07 May 2013, 06:27
Is outnumber parallel with written please explain the difference between D and E
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Hi @buffaloboy,

Use of "which" is absolutely correct in the correct answer choice. To know the reason why, please read the article by clicking on the following link:
noun-modifiers-can-modify-slightly-far-away-noun-135868.html

If you have question regarding the article or this official question, then do post it here.
Hope this helps. :)
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Hi Shraddha,

I have following reason to eliminate option 'A'.
please correct me if my line of reasoning is wrong.

In option 'A' "outnumbering" "-ing modifier" takes tense from the clause it is modifying.
In option "A' tense is past,which would not be correct.
because emily dickinson letter to susan still outnumber her letter to anyone else i.e. a facts,so simple present is correct,while the tense of a clause is past tense.

Thanks in advance.


Bingo!!
Outnumbering should not be used here ... precisely for the reason you have stated
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Re: Emily Dickinsons letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were [#permalink] New post 23 Jul 2013, 12:45
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is the participle is A, modifying 1886? that is my 1st question. Someone please answer who is sure of it
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