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The republic of Estonia is separated from Finland by the narrow Gulf of Finland. The Estonian people are genetically similar to the Finnish people. Estonians also speak a language that is very closely related to Finnish. It is likely that, many centuries ago, residents of what is now Estonia migrated to what is now Finland and established settlements there.

Which of the following, if true, does the least to undermine the Author's explanation for the similarities given?

A. The earliest settlements found in Finland exhibit cultural influences common to Estonians and Finns predate the earliest settlements found in Estonia that exhibit these traits.

B. At the time at which the residents of present day Estonia are believed to have migrated to present day Finland, travel by boat across the Gulf of Finland was not possible.

C. Early Estonian artifacts contain drawings of animals that were native not only to Finland at the time the migration was believed to have taken place.

D. The traits common to the people of Finland and Estonia are also shared by the population of present day system.

E. The Norwegian people are more similar to the Finnish people than are Estonians.

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Re: Estonian and Finnish people [#permalink] New post 24 Nov 2013, 19:42
When the question stem asks for the option that does the least to undermine the Author's conclusion, isn't a strengthen option (A) the better answer than an option that does nothing to weaken the argument (D)?

OA is D
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Re: Estonian and Finnish people [#permalink] New post 26 Nov 2013, 08:07
I'm a bit confused by the answer D. Maybe that's because I do not understand it completely.

What is meant by "...present day system"?

I chose answer C cause this does not undermine the argument. The animals are not only native to Finland, so the Estonians could have seen them somewhere else and made the drawings...
The animals could even be native to Estonia...
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Re: Estonian and Finnish people [#permalink] New post 27 Nov 2013, 11:42
"Does the least to undermine" is not same as strengthen, just like the logical negation of "everywhere" is not nowhere, its "not everywhere".

the question is asking for one answer that does not weaken the conclusion. D is oos for this question and hence has no influence on the conclusion.

I go with D... Nice question!
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Re: Estonian and Finnish people [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2014, 14:32
I too was between C and D and finally opted for C. I don't really get how answer choice C could in anyway undermine the argument. Did someone find the logic here?

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I too was between C and D and finally opted for C. I don't really get how answer choice C could in anyway undermine the argument. Did someone find the logic here?

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C. Early Estonian artifacts contain drawings of animals that were native not only to Finland at the time the migration was believed to have taken place.

I interpret it as Artifacts contain drawings of animals that were native not only to Finland but also to other places, it indicates that Estonians were aware of the native animals of Finland thus migration happened from Fin to Est.

Thus it undermines the claim.

I took much time to understand the difference but selected D finally.
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Re: Estonian and Finnish people [#permalink] New post 25 Apr 2014, 01:54
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I too was between C and D and finally opted for C. I don't really get how answer choice C could in anyway undermine the argument. Did someone find the logic here?

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C. Early Estonian artifacts contain drawings of animals that were native not only to Finland at the time the migration was believed to have taken place.

I interpret it as Artifacts contain drawings of animals that were native not only to Finland but also to other places, it indicates that Estonians were aware of the native animals of Finland thus migration happened from Fin to Est.

Thus it undermines the claim.

I took much time to understand the difference but selected D finally.


This is not the correct interpretation according to me

Only the Country X & Finland are native to dogs
Dogs were found in the drawings of Estonia
So there is an equal chance that they have migrated from Country X..
and the other characteristic similarities among people of Estonia and Finland also existed among people native to Estonia and country X...
So this undermines the argument
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Re: Estonian and Finnish people [#permalink] New post 03 Apr 2015, 08:29
Hi,
Can someone explain why not A?
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Estonian and Finnish people [#permalink] New post 04 Apr 2015, 02:54
Hi Friends,

I found some mistakes in the question.. I have posted the correct version with explanation..

The Republic of Estonia is separated from Finland by the narrow Gulf of Finland. The Estonian people are genetically similar the Finnish people. Estonians also speak a language that is very closely related to Finnish. It is likely that, many centuries ago, residents of what is now Estonia migrated to what is now Finland and established settlements there. Which of the following, if true, does the least to undermine the author's explanation for the similarities given?

A. The earliest settlements found in Finland that exhibit the cultural influences common to Estonians and Finns predate the earliest settlements found in Estonia that exhibit these traits.

B. At the time at which the residents of present-day Estonia are believed to have migrated to present-day Finland, travel by boat across the Gulf of Finland was not possible.

C. Early Estonian artifacts contain drawings of animals that were native only to Finland at the time the migrat!
ion was believed to have taken place.

D. The traits common to the peoples of Finland and Estonia are also shared by the population of present day Sweden.

E. The Norwegian people are more similar to the Finnish people than are the Estonians.

Correct Answer: D

The author's argument concludes that early Finns migrated from Estonia, based on similarities between the two cultures. Answer choices that are incorrect will weaken this conclusion, likely by giving an alternate explanation for why these cultures share traits. Choice (D) does not weaken the author's conclusion, and thus is the correct answer, because the fact that these traits are also shared by the people of Sweden does not have any effect on the proposed migration from Estonia to Finland; perhaps the path was Sweden to Estonia to Finland, or Estonia to Finland to Sweden. Choice (A) is incorrect because it gives some evidence that the migration was from Finland to Estonia, not in the other direction as the author believes. Choice (B) is incorrect because it eliminates one possible means by which the Estonians could have migrated to Finland. Choice (C), like choice (A), gives evidence for a migration from Finland to Estonia. Choice (E) presents the possibility of a stronger link between Norwegians and Finns than Finns and Estonians, weakening the likelihood that the Finnish people migrated from Estonia.


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Re: Estonian and Finnish people [#permalink] New post 04 Apr 2015, 17:15
the original post contains several critical mistakes. please see a few posts down for the correct question
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Re: Estonian and Finnish people [#permalink] New post 05 Apr 2015, 19:13
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The author's argument concludes that early Finns migrated from Estonia, based on similarities between the two cultures. Answer choices that are incorrect will weaken this conclusion, likely by giving an alternate explanation for why these cultures share traits. Choice (D) does not weaken the author's conclusion, and thus is the correct answer, because the fact that these traits are also shared by the people of Sweden does not have any effect on the proposed migration from Estonia to Finland; perhaps the path was Sweden to Estonia to Finland, or Estonia to Finland to Sweden. Choice (A) is incorrect because it gives some evidence that the migration was from Finland to Estonia, not in the other direction as the author believes. Choice (B) is incorrect because it eliminates one possible means by which the Estonians could have migrated to Finland. Choice (C), like choice (A), gives evidence for a migration from Finland to Estonia. Choice (E) presents the possibility of a stronger link between Norwegians and Finns than Finns and Estonians, weakening the likelihood that the Finnish people migrated from Estonia.
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Estonian and Finnish people [#permalink] New post 11 May 2015, 07:09
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The author's argument concludes that early Finns migrated from Estonia, based on similarities between the two cultures. Answer choices that are incorrect will weaken this conclusion, likely by giving an alternate explanation for why these cultures share traits. Choice (D) does not weaken the author's conclusion, and thus is the correct answer, because the fact that these traits are also shared by the people of Sweden does not have any effect on the proposed migration from Estonia to Finland; perhaps the path was Sweden to Estonia to Finland, or Estonia to Finland to Sweden. Choice (A) is incorrect because it gives some evidence that the migration was from Finland to Estonia, not in the other direction as the author believes. Choice (B) is incorrect because it eliminates one possible means by which the Estonians could have migrated to Finland. Choice (C), like choice (A), gives evidence for a migration from Finland to Estonia. Choice (E) presents the possibility of a stronger link between Norwegians and Finns than Finns and Estonians, weakening the likelihood that the Finnish people migrated from Estonia.


Regarding option choice D - Consider a case where people from Sweden migrated to both Finland and Estonia resulting in all 3 populations being genetically similar and hence act as weakener.

Migration from Sweden ---> Finland (Yes)
Migration from Sweden ---> Estonia (Yes)
Migration from Estonia ----> Finland (No)

I found option C to be the best option.

Can someone please confirm if my understanding is correct on option D or atleast demolish it so i can be at peace with option D as answer :-)
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Re: Estonian and Finnish people [#permalink] New post 13 May 2015, 07:12
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The republic of Estonia is separated from Finland by the narrow Gulf of Finland. The Estonian people are genetically similar to the Finnish people. Estonians also speak a language that is very closely related to Finnish. It is likely that, many centuries ago, residents of what is now Estonia migrated to what is now Finland and established settlements there.

Which of the following, if true, does the least to undermine the Author's explanation for the similarities given?

A. The earliest settlements found in Finland exhibit cultural influences common to Estonians and Finns predate the earliest settlements found in Estonia that exhibit these traits. If these settlements predate the Estonian settlements, this would largely undermine the author's explanation (suggests the opposite).

B. At the time at which the residents of present day Estonia are believed to have migrated to present day Finland, travel by boat across the Gulf of Finland was not possible. Undermines the author, as it implies that migration was not possible (or at least difficult)

C. Early Estonian artifacts contain drawings of animals that were native not only to Finland at the time the migration was believed to have taken place. This makes it appear that the shared attributes are not a result of migration, or even that the Finnish or other people migrated to Estonia
D. The traits common to the people of Finland and Estonia are also shared by the population of present day system.
E. The Norwegian people are more similar to the Finnish people than are Estonians. out of scope
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